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Well we all are welcome to have our personal opinions. Mine is the complete and polar opposite of yours.
I appreciate your honesty that you don't have anything worth to say. Seems you are closer to adding nothing to the argument than me.
To understand what we are talking about, i.e. rooting doesn't equal jailbreaking and "the only difference between the two is not only the added app store", you should've listened to others.
What I7guy precisely stated is:
Wow extreme fanboy statement there. As someone who uses Android and ios devices I can say you're wrong. I have an iPhone 7 and a Samsung galaxy tab s2 and as long as you know what you're downloading on either app store you'll most likely be fine. Android is yes more susceptible to malware but so is windows and it hasn't been the doomsday for windows either.
Currently own:
2015 Macbook Pro 13
Samsung Galaxy tab s2
IPhone 7
A windows laptop with windows 10
And I have never got a virus on any of those devices.
Business users? Reason why blackberry existed for as long as they did.
I for one don't buy android devices to download third party apps.... And my friends who have android phones don't either....vast majority of Android users aren't geeks or at least I don't precieve them to be based off what I just notice around the city.
Not using a phone is even safer!
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If you do not mess with it it no phone is worse than another, if you start Jailbreaking / Rooting / unlocking bootloader then you are in for troubles!
Usually piracy is the biggest part of the problem, but if you stick with known sources (the official stores) both side are safe even when it has been proven that both sides offer holes.
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Careful with that assertion please…
A jailbroken iPhone is no more and no less secure than a stock iPhone. It is what people DO at that point that is what makes you more or less susceptible to problems.
IF…you start adding shady/pirate repos.
IF…you start installing pirated tweaks.
IF…you start installing questionable tweaks from insecure/unverifiable sources/devs
IF…you visit questionable websites
THEN stuff can happen to you. And in this case you get what you deserve.
But it is a false claim to assume that the act of jailbreaking itself exposes you. It does not.
Apple, however, would love for everyone to believe it does.
As to rooting, if it does that, I don't know. I don't use Android really and I don't have a rooted device.
Apple has fixed a lot of security vulnerabilities since 10.2 was released. While some vulnerabilities may have been fixed by the jailbreak community, not all have. It's disingenuous to say that a jailbroken iPhone is as secure as one that's fully updated.
No, what I am saying is true.
You are using the vulnerabilities of iOS itself and applying that to your argument against me. Perhaps it would be better if I stated "No more or less secure than a stock device on the SAME firmware".
However, it is the vulnerabilities of iOS that make running older versions less secure - not the act of jailbreaking itself.
Exposure to the vulnerabilities that come with running an older version of iOS are almost always a requirement of being jailbroken. One issue can't be separated from the other except in the very rare instance that there's a jailbreak for a current version of iOS, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time. If a user wants to be jailbroken they are choosing to give up some level of security to do so.
I agree with that last statement.
However, I do not agree (and thus my argument) that the ACT of jailbreaking itself does not make a device more or less secure (or insecure).
Your version of firmware is the ultimate determinant of that. I don't argue against that.
Sorry, but I'm not going to be lectured about the differences between jailbreaking and rooting from someone who made a comment like "the 'superuser' abilities that you gain with Android root".
You can continue repeating the same things over and over, but that comment shows how little you actually know.
It is unfortunate as you could've learned something. At least you would have an idea what is the real difference between rooting and jailbreaking. And this little community could have the pleasure to avoid your ignorance, like this:
Read thoroughly post #41 once again, the answer is there.
Ironic that you'd be the one to talk about ignorance. Do I need to quote your comment again?
There's no answer in any of your previous posts. You just keep saying "jailbreaking is different than rooting" without (correctly) explaining how it's different.
What a delight, we have something in common as I find ironic that you feel being an authority in this question while stating that "root and jailbreaking are the same, the only difference is that one installs another app store".Ironic that you'd be the one to talk about ignorance. Do I need to quote your comment again?
There's no answer in any of your previous posts. You just keep saying "jailbreaking is different than rooting" without (correctly) explaining how it's different.
But let's get down to business, even if I have to repeat myself because you are either lazy to read or to understand what is written:
1. Let's quote the notorious sentence you are preoccupied with: "... "superuser" abilities you gain with Android root". Root is "superuser", which means that with rooting you gain "superuser"/administrative abilities, permissions, if you like.
"As Android uses the Linux kernel, rooting an Android device gives similar access to administrative (superuser) permissions as on Linux or any other Unix-like operating system". (Wikipedia)
I would not be surprised, if you challenged the Wikipedia statement as well.
2. Root and Jailbreaking are similar, but not the same. They differ in scope. Rooting is a much deeper process than iOS Jailbreaking. Apple's OS is not an open source system, meaning that you cannot make changes to the actual source code. Android however, is an open source operating system and allows you to do much more than just install 3rd party apps. Rooting gives you full access to your device on a level exponentially greater than Jailbreaking. Not only does it allow to gain priviledged control of the device, overcome limitations that carriers and OEM's put on a device, but also unlocking the bootloader allows you to completely remove and replace the entire operating system (custom ROM), and you can even access and adjust settings such as processor speeds (overlock or underlock). Additionally, root users can access the flash memory chip on the device, which is not possible with iOS.
No, I'm not going to argue with your Wikipedia copy/paste, because unlike the comments you type on your own, that was actually correct.
Rooting ≠ boot loader unlocking. You can root your device without unlocking the boot loader. Again, shows how little you actually know on the topic and yet you're still trying to lecture me.
Regardless of how open Android is or how closed iOS is, rooting is allowing root access and jailbreaking is allowing root access plus the ability to install apps from other sources. If Android didn't already allow side loading, you'd call it jailbreaking for Android as well.
I'm done though. Feel free to keep pretending like you have any idea what you're talking about. I can't keep finding new ways to explain why you're wrong, only to have you just keep quoting things previously stated in this thread.
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Denial and intentional misinterpretation of statements won't change the facts.
It has been clearly shown that there is no contradiction between the post in question and the Wikipedia citation (post #67). I am surprised you didn't challenge Wikipedia.
And yet again, you intentionally misintepret sentences. Nobody stated that rooting is bootloader unlocking, it is your false translation. Repetitio mater studiorum est. This is the exact phrase: "but also unlocking the bootloader allows you to completely remove and replace the entire operating system (custom ROM)."
To be honest with you I am very disappointed that being a self-proclaimed authority in this question you failed miserably to reflect in essence on facts (post #67) proving that rooting is not the same as jailbreaking as the former is a much deeper process than the latter.
Hopefully, with time you will change your primitive view that "the only difference between rooting and jailbreaking is that one installs another app store".
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Then why even mention bootloader unlocking when it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the conversation?
Why. Even. Mention. It?
Because you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just throwing around technical words trying to sound like you have a clue.
I keep getting baited to reply ever time I read these incorrect comments. I'm not even going to read your next response so I'm not tempted to reply again.
I am not surprised that you don't have a clue what bootloader unlocking has to do with the discussion. It is the consequense of your selective reading, among other things.
One of the main differences of Root and Jailbreak is that you can install custom ROMs on Android devices. What the unlocked bootloader does is allow you to install unsigned kernels onto your phone.
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I disagree. Many instances of malware on iOS were only capable of spreading/installation due to jailbreak or were much more potent in their effects.
I hate referencing Wiki but its a good base for further research...
https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Malware_for_iOS
I can't remember what it was but just recently China had a issue reported in the news with malware on the iphones. Non jail broken devices would get pop ups and other things of the such while jail broken devices were capable of falling victim to much more nefarious things.
This sort of stuff I would define as "less secure" of course we could debate that if you just me jailbreaking and then doing nothing else ever....ahem...or using common sense.....
However its a odd topic anyway because the mere act of jailbreaking an iOS device is the process of exploiting multiple vulnerabilities in the original Apple provided software. So the fact an iPhone is jailbreak-able in the first place makes whether its jailbroken a moot point.
Almost certainly we could go around and around on this.
But a few points concerning malware. Assuredly, it's going to be less secure if you are jailbroken and encounter malware. But where do we find malware? Certainly phishing snags many innocent people all the time, but for the most part malware is generally found when you're poking around in places or doing things you shouldn't be. It's the difference between having your doors locked (stock) or unlocked (jailbroken) while driving through a bad part of town. Why are you in the bad part of town?
And if you're a target for a government then being stock doesn't give you much cover anyway.
As to the last part about explots - yes, jailbreaking uses exploits to do it's work. Exploits that are there stock. Which means that any malware would have to be aware of and use those exploits - which means stock devices are also vulnerable. That makes this a non-argument.
Cydia has a number of stock repos and sources that install via default. As with the app store, these repos are vetted and their maintainers stay on top of things. Cydia is a business and Jay Freeman (Saurik) cannot afford to have malware rampant. It's cliché but that's bad for business.
So where the vulnerability comes in is when you start adding repos and sources known for piracy. Saurik has even gone so far as to include piracy warnings when adding repos that have these reputations.
A few years back there was a keylogger that was lifting Apple IDs and credit card numbers. A segment of the jailbreak community got hit with false App store charges on their credit cards. The one common denominator was that those jailbreakers had all installed a repo and a tweak known for allowing free in-app purchases. Something that's not allowed in Cydia's stock repos.
I recall a few articles last a year or two ago on the whole subject.
http://www.businessinsider.com/thousands-of-jailbroken-iphones-hacked-2015-8
https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/protect-yourself-from-biggest-jailbreak-hack-history-0164226/
But then there is this....
https://blog.lookout.com/hacking-team
So in the end it doesn't matter what platform you ride. If someone has the determination, skills, and tools to compromise your mobile device, they very well may be able to.
Good analogy, but to add to it, even if you stay in a safe part of town, someone malicious can always come by and break into your car so a locked car is still more secure.
But yeah, generally you are about as safe jailbroken than not as long as you stick to legitimate sources and aren't trying to pirate apps.