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acfusion29 said:
It's really not....
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Ok. Then what is the difference between what you want and the upcoming IMs with push notification? The only thing you've mentioned is that you have to have a Blackberry to use it, and Apple's solution would be open to everyone with an IM account. The one that's available to everyone, and not just on mobile phones, is obviously the more useful of the two.

Unless there's another feature you're not mentioning, it sounds like the exact same thing.
 
The General said:
Yeah, instead you just have to buy a certain phone and pass out your PIN. That's soooo much easier than going to AIM.com and registering a screenname. :rolleyes:
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Ok now you're just being really really stupid. Please don't post in my topic because your just ignorant and have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

Gimzotoy said:
Ok. Then what is the difference between what you want and the upcoming IMs with push notification? The only thing you've mentioned is that you have to have a Blackberry to use it, and Apple's solution would be open to everyone with an IM account. The one that's available to everyone, and not just on mobile phones, is obviously the more useful of the two.

Unless there's another feature you're not mentioning, it sounds like the exact same thing.
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Ok why is everyone bringing up IMing. It has nothing to do with that, it's totally different and from what I can tell, everyone that posted in this thread that actually owned a blackberry knows that this would be a great feature.

Everyone else had no idea what blackberry messenger was until I mentioned it, and if they did they don't know how it works.
 
I don't understand why people are having a problem understanding the difference between AIM, or something similar, and BBM. BBM is basically like a free text message to someone else that has a blackberry.

With AIM, if your not logged on then your not getting the message, simple. Even if you send them a message for when they get back online, God knows when that will be. With BBM it is like a text message, you don't need a screen name and you don't need to be logged on, you just get it like you would a text.

I would love this because I know a lot of people who have iphones. Instead of wasting my text messages, that I have a limited amount of before I start paying more, I can use my data instead (which isn't limited like my texts are).

Does this not makes sense?

Edit: I don't know what push IM is, but I wouldn't want to log on every time I wanted to see a message. It would take more time (I know probably not much more) but then more people could start talking to me online which I may not want.
 
davyreins said:
I don't understand why people are having a problem understanding the difference between AIM, or something similar, and BBM. BBM is basically like a free text message to someone else that has a blackberry.

With AIM, if your not logged on then your not getting the message, simple. Even if you send them a message for when they get back online, God knows when that will be. With BBM it is like a text message, you don't need a screen name and you don't need to be logged on, you just get it like you would a text.

I would love this because I know a lot of people who have iphones. Instead of wasting my text messages, that I have a limited amount of before I start paying more, I can use my data instead (which isn't limited like my texts are).

Does this not makes sense?

Edit: I don't know what push IM is, but I wouldn't want to log on every time I wanted to see a message. It would take more time (I know probably not much more) but then more people could start talking to me online which I may not want.
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To others, no it doesn't ;)

but to answer what push is:

Push would allow you to stay logged in on yahoo, aim etc. on your phone and once you get a message, it would be pushed to your phone. However, not everybody can afford to spend $15 for beejive (that's even if apple introduces push that would allow beejive to do this), and not everyone has AIM, MSN, yahoo etc.
 
davyreins said:
I don't understand why people are having a problem understanding the difference between AIM, or something similar, and BBM. BBM is basically like a free text message to someone else that has a blackberry.

With AIM, if your not logged on then your not getting the message, simple. Even if you send them a message for when they get back online, God knows when that will be. With BBM it is like a text message, you don't need a screen name and you don't need to be logged on, you just get it like you would a text.
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The problem may be because your assumptions about IMs are false. IMs from all major services are stored if you're not online, and served as soon as you come online. Apple's Push Notification service could keep you logged on in the background so you get a notification as soon as you get a message, just as you would a text message or voice mail. Plus, by using IM you could communicate in this way with anyone who uses an IM client, not just other iPhone users. Finally, I don't see how needing the recipient's BB PIN number to send a message is all that different from needing a screen name.

So I simply do not see the difference. There may very well be one, but you guys certainly aren't being clear about it.

Once IM isn't crippled, there will be a flood of Apps rushing to support it, and I'd strongly anticipate a built-in iChat client that uses AIM, just like the desktop iChat.
 
i think its funny that these bbm/native iphone messaging supporters claim no one else here even knows what bbm is and yet they themselves CLEARLY don't even know what IM'ing is.

introducing another platform/hardware-dependent messaging service is just stupid and useless.
 
If you weren't a BlackBerry user then you will never understand.

It's the one thing I miss and regret about the iPhone.
 
deadsouls said:
i think its funny that these bbm/native iphone messaging supporters claim no one else here even knows what bbm is and yet they themselves CLEARLY don't even know what IM'ing is.
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Even worse, BlackBerry advertises BBM as a Blackberry-proprietary Instant Messaging client, which makes the statements of "It's nothing like instant messaging" somewhat amusing.
 
sergiuria said:
It is easier! you are not always logged in to AIM!
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Your Blackberry isn't always on and doesn't always have service!

But really, of course I am always logged in to AIM. And once push notification comes out, I will get my messages beamed to my phone instantly.
 
What a funny thread.

And I really tried to see the difference between BBM and a "push IM", but I can't see it.

Let's say Apple comes out with push notification and there, theoretically, is an option in AIM which let's you stay logged in, doesn't that mean AIM messages would appear on my phone instantly?

If that is the case, would there still be a difference between BBM and any other IM?

cheers
 
Tymmz said:
What a funny thread.

And I really tried to see the difference between BBM and a "push IM", but I can't see it.

Let's say Apple comes out with push notification and there, theoretically, is an option in AIM which let's you stay logged in, doesn't that mean AIM messages would appear on my phone instantly?

If that is the case, would there still be a difference between BBM and any other IM?

cheers
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That you don't have to sign up for any service. It's just there, it comes with your phone. I've stated this already, and I know many people that don't have AIM or MSN or Yahoo.
 
acfusion29 said:
That you don't have to sign up for any service. It's just there, it comes with your phone. I've stated this already, and I know many people that don't have AIM or MSN or Yahoo.
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God, how many times are we going to have to say this? I'll put it in all caps, maybe you're having trouble reading it.

YES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR A SERVICE OR REGISTER A SCREENNAME. INSTEAD, YOU HAVE TO BUY AN IPHONE AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS DO TO. IF THIS EXISTED, YOU COULDN'T SEND MESSAGES TO PEOPLE ON COMPUTERS USING IT WHERAS WITH IM YOU CAN. ONCE PUSH IS OUT, BBM WILL HAVE NOTHING ON IM, BUT IM WILL HAVE SO MUCH ON BBM.
 
You guys are missing it. People love BBM because its such a simple interface and simple text structure. It looks like VERY old school AIM.

People like BBM because its exclusive to each other. Also, you dont need to connect to a service or login or anything like that, ever. Its an after thought program.
 
The General said:
God, how many times are we going to have to say this? I'll put it in all caps, maybe you're having trouble reading it.

YES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR A SERVICE OR REGISTER A SCREENNAME. INSTEAD, YOU HAVE TO BUY AN IPHONE AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS DO TO. IF THIS EXISTED, YOU COULDN'T SEND MESSAGES TO PEOPLE ON COMPUTERS USING IT WHERAS WITH IM YOU CAN. ONCE PUSH IS OUT, BBM WILL HAVE NOTHING ON IM, BUT IM WILL HAVE SO MUCH ON BBM.
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You've got to be kidding me.

Your honestly the dumbest poster I have ever encountered here on MacRumors, read what you said, it doesn't make sense.

"You have to buy an iPhone and all your friends do to" ???? WHAT???

Maybe I'll put it in caps, bold it, underline it and italicize it. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN IPHONE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN IPHONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ONE TO COMMUNICATE WITH SOMEONE THAT HAS ONE, IT'S JUST THERE SO WHEN YOU NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE URGENTLY, YOU CAN. EVER HEARD OF TEXT MESSAGES NOT GOING THROUGH? IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

Just please, stop posting in my thread.
 
acfusion29 said:
That you don't have to sign up for any service. It's just there, it comes with your phone. I've stated this already, and I know many people that don't have AIM or MSN or Yahoo.
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yah and i know WAY more people who dont have an iphone. whats your point. the "you dont have to sign up for any service" seems to be the only 'benefit' you can think of. too bad its drawbacks are way more numerous and easier to name (cant talk to people who don't have an iphone. can't talk to people on their desktop client etc etc)

face it. the idea is dumb and outdated.
 
deadsouls said:
yah and i know WAY more people who dont have an iphone. whats your point. the "you dont have to sign up for any service" seems to be the only 'benefit' you can think of. too bad its drawbacks are way more numerous and easier to name (cant talk to people who don't have an iphone. can't talk to people on their desktop client etc etc)

face it. the idea is dumb and outdated.
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I'm just gonna ask for this thread to be locked becuase it's clear that there's a bunch of ignorant morons on this board.

And thanks to the people that supported this feature that actually USED a blackberry like I have and know that it's a great feature of the BB.
 
The General said:
Yeah, instead you just have to buy a certain phone and pass out your PIN. That's soooo much easier than going to AIM.com and registering a screenname. :rolleyes:
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Funnily enough, it is.

Instead of registering for a certain protocol, getting everyone in my company to do the same, and making sure everyone is logged on all day every day, you just use Blackberry Messenger.

But as this thread has shown, it's probably something you have to experience to appreciate.
 
Those familiar with Apple products will appreciate that the OP is describing Bonjour. Essentially, allowing users to 'discover' other iPhones.
 
Gimzotoy said:
The problem may be because your assumptions about IMs are false. IMs from all major services are stored if you're not online, and served as soon as you come online. Apple's Push Notification service could keep you logged on in the background so you get a notification as soon as you get a message, just as you would a text message or voice mail. Plus, by using IM you could communicate in this way with anyone who uses an IM client, not just other iPhone users. Finally, I don't see how needing the recipient's BB PIN number to send a message is all that different from needing a screen name.

So I simply do not see the difference. There may very well be one, but you guys certainly aren't being clear about it.

Once IM isn't crippled, there will be a flood of Apps rushing to support it, and I'd strongly anticipate a built-in iChat client that uses AIM, just like the desktop iChat.
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The way you describe push IM, it does seem pretty similar to BBM. The problem I see with the push IM is that it would likely decrease battery life (not like we have much more to spare) because the app is always running. I assume BBM doesn't always "run", but someone might have to correct me on this. Also, I'd really rather not be logged on to IM all the time and be constantly having some rando from the past IM be to see what I have been up to all these years. With an iphone messenger, you can choose who you will get these messages from. For me, there is big difference between an AIM conversation and a text message.

As you can tell, I'm not much of an AIM/ichat person, so I guess this is just a preference. I can see both sides.
 
I don't understand why people are so hostile to the idea of adding a new feature to our iPhone's. If Apple implemented it then people would definitely use it. I know some BB user's who love it and it seems like a great idea. The biggest question that all the people against this idea should ask themselves is....WHY NOT? That being said, I'll put my vote it for an iPhone messenger.
 
davyreins said:
Also, I'd really rather not be logged on to IM all the time and be constantly having some rando from the past IM be to see what I have been up to all these years. With an iphone messenger, you can choose who you will get these messages from.
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Most IM clients allow you to have complete control over who can send you messages, and you can select who can "see" you when you're online as well.

And while I see lots of people making big deals about "logging in," on both desktop computers and iPhone apps, you only have to enter your account info once, and the IM programs log you in automatically every time you start your computer / turn on the IM app on your iPhone. It's so transparent, I'm scarecely aware I'm logged in to IM all day, which I am whenever one of my computers is on.
 
Id go for it. But unlimited text that my wife and i have is pretty much the same.
 
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