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iPhone (Nano?), Smaller Shuffle and Cheaper MacBook in 2009?

yeah i really like the continual ignorance of people calling this idea/concept useless. It may be useless to you, but it would sell. I would love an iPhone without the data plan and that is what this product can be. But since I haven't seen any "leaked" photos I don't know what this would possibly look like, but whatever it sure won't be useless.
 
xhambonex said:
yeah i really like the continual ignorance of people calling this idea/concept useless. It may be useless to you, but it would sell. I would love an iPhone without the data plan and that is what this product can be. But since I haven't seen any "leaked" photos I don't know what this would possibly look like, but whatever it sure won't be useless.
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Just like allthe skeptics that siad the iPhone wouldn't sell $600
Still to this day people are buying and selling iphones for over $500.
 
It seems that the secret is out, there is now too much evidence about a smaller iphone.

If you remember the 3G launch exactly the same thing happened (case companies letting it slip) and those rumours turned out to be true.


For many people the iphone is too big. Its probably about a third wider than your standard non smart phone nokia, LG, Motorola etc.

Of course the size puts people off buying the iphone. I know a couple of people who say its too big to fit in their pockets easily and that's why they haven't brought one..

I can see this happening now and it makes sense.
To survive as a mobile phone manufacturer volume is king and apple can't have the luxury or JUST going for the top end niche smart phone end of teh market.

New shuffle, yes this will happen to I think. The present shuffle needs updating as its been out for ages. It could be something small enough to wear all the time.

Besides, the mass market ipod is living on borrowed time and soon apple must have phone/ipods to match their current ipod range. Only the shuffle and top end hard drive ipods will survive. People want their music and their phones in one device now.
 
firewood said:
That would be an unusable product for a majority of the public.

A smaller phone would have to have a completely different UI, more like that of the iPod Nano.
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Oh, are you a product engineer? Or are you just making baseless assumptions about the usability of a product that you haven't seen and have no idea what it might look like?

I'll bet people said the iPod click wheel was an "unusable" interface once, too. Or that the BB Pearl's keyboard was "unusable". Guess what two products are among the best selling devices in their fields?

If you think Apple won't be able to figure out a way to make an iPhone nano work, then you clearly have not been paying attention to how Apple works...
 
You guys are missing the point of why Apple would make a second iphone. The first one is locked to ATT. They would have to produce a second, different iphone that intensely varies from the current design that is locked to the ATT contract.

With that out of the way They could either go after Verizon (again) or just sell unlocked to the masses. Apple has clearly seen and taken note the predicament they got into by locking themselves into the ATT contract and how much they have lost from not selling an unlocked phone that could be used on multiple networks...... effectively killing about half the possible sales of the device. (or double what has been currently sold). The newly revised ATT contract with apple reportedly cuts Apple out of most of the kickback, therefore making it only more possible the new revision will be a completely different phone to be sold elsewhere while they continue to supply ATT with the current model in perhaps a larger flash as an update.

iPhone "Nano" or iPhone "whatever" would simply need to be different enough to be sold everywhere unlocked for Apple to have a reason and need to produce it.
 
one1 said:
You guys are missing the point of why Apple would make a second iphone. The first one is locked to ATT. They would have to produce a second, different iphone that intensely varies from the current design that is locked to the ATT contract.

With that out of the way They could either go after Verizon (again) or just sell unlocked to the masses. Apple has clearly seen and taken note the predicament they got into by locking themselves into the ATT contract and how much they have lost from not selling an unlocked phone that could be used on multiple networks...... effectively killing about half the possible sales of the device. (or double what has been currently sold). The newly revised ATT contract with apple reportedly cuts Apple out of most of the kickback, therefore making it only more possible the new revision will be a completely different phone to be sold elsewhere while they continue to supply ATT with the current model in perhaps a larger flash as an update.

iPhone "Nano" or iPhone "whatever" would simply need to be different enough to be sold everywhere unlocked for Apple to have a reason and need to produce it.
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huh? Apple did not "lose" by locking with AT&T, they made a whole bundle of money in exclusivity arrangements and profit sharing contracts. the first phone was unsubsidized and the 3g is subsidized so Apple now gets MORE $ from AT&T for each device. Plus they make tons of dough with the App Store. AT&T makes their money on the 24mth committment and the mandatory data plans.

Also, they simply can't make a new phone and unlock it to other carriers - there is verbiage in the exclusivity agreements preventing this. Not sure when the current contract ends though - either 2010 or mid-2009 supposedly. Apple probably will create products and open it up to other carriers but don't think that they were backed into a corner setting up exclusivity and are hurting for profit margin.
 
Resolution Independent, or something similar to it. Only way I see this happening on an iPhone Nano.

Cheaper Apple Hardware, hopefully since electronic prices globally have been dropping and Apple is falling well behind to keep pace with those prices.

The new MacBook and Pro version are so uninteresting, they might as well have had a silent release on the Apple website.

Smaller iPod Shuffle, hopefully it has a USB port included instead of this wired option they have presently. Junk I say. 😛
 
one1 said:
You guys are missing the point of why Apple would make a second iphone. The first one is locked to ATT. They would have to produce a second, different iphone that intensely varies from the current design that is locked to the ATT contract.
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Why would blackberry, LG, Nokia, and others make multiple flavors of phones.

Each carrier seems to have an exclusive phone. If apple can broaden there reach and availability of their product then why not introduce a different version.
 
are we thinking a new keyboard and mouse in black are coming out? I would like something to match my glassbook. 😛
 
Look people, the predicted size of the iPhone Nano by the images of cases leaked out are about 1.75 times smaller than the iPhone and about 2 times the size of your normal phone. What Apple is trying to do here is enter the massive cellphone market, and most of whats keeping people from buying iPhone is the expensive mandatory data plan or they just don't want to switch carriers (Buying unlocked versions simply isn't going to solve problems for the masses.) Apple now has to tackle the normal cell phone market and also to maximize their sales.

To do this, they must first enter the Chinese market, which in 400 million users use China Mobile and 3/4s of them are prepaid. What does this tell you? Apple needs to get unlocked phones selling, fast. (Most people living in China hates counterfeit electronics, but they love the counterfeit software and clothing and all that.)

Responding to the number of models that Nokia, RIM, Samsung and HTC are trying to attack the iPhone with (Nokia 5800 was sucessful and Nokia N97 is coming). Apple must also update its current iPhone and launch a simple, no data plan needed (Internet locked, Wi-Fi included though) cell phone that can meet the needs of most non-smartphone users.

Remember the time of rumors before the iPod Mini came out and everyone was pissed off about it saying its a bad product and it will never happen? Guess what? Now iPod Nano has the biggest sales in the entire iPod product line.
 
Demosthenes X said:
I'll bet people said the iPod click wheel was an "unusable" interface once, too.
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If you think Apple won't be able to figure out a way to make an iPhone nano work, then you clearly have not been paying attention to how Apple works...
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Apple most likely can figure out a way to make a smaller phone UI. And I'm guessing that that UI will be more like the click wheel on an iPod than a shrunk iPhone app interface.

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firewood said:
Apple most likely can figure out a way to make a smaller phone UI. And I'm guessing that that UI will be more like the click wheel on an iPod than a shrunk iPhone app interface.

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Like I said on another thread, people would definitely be NOT happy to type SMS txt msgs on a friggin click wheel. Touchscreen is the main story behind the iPhone branch, using click wheels for the proposed iPhone Nano is just a dumb idea. I'd rather keep my 4 year old phone. Btw, for those complaining about a shrunk iPhone, who knows? Apple is always smart and will figure out a way that would make users happy.
 
I mentioned the proposed iPhone Nano to my wife. She has never liked my previous 2G or current 3G. But she has told me that she would be interested in a Nano. She would prefer the smaller size and the concept of keeping it basic i.e iPod and a phone. Keep all the rest to the 3G.

Interesting. I personally think it would be a huge success.
 
dogg said:
I mentioned the proposed iPhone Nano to my wife. She has never liked my previous 2G or current 3G. But she has told me that she would be interested in a Nano. She would prefer the smaller size and the concept of keeping it basic i.e iPod and a phone. Keep all the rest to the 3G.

Interesting. I personally think it would be a huge success.
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I agree, this is just like when the iPod mini was about to come out. People just keep being stubborn and after the same 3 sentences of BS, they put it isn't going to come out. Look, Apple needs an iPhone that is suited for the mass dumbphone market, they NEED it to gain a share, this is the way they will do it as rumors show now. So get on with it.
 
Demosthenes X said:
And this is based on what? The extensive market research you've done into cell phone buying trends around the world? I'm sure people said the exact same thing about the iPod when it first came out "oh, it'll never get any market share because it's too expensive...".

Look how that turned out.
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Agreed but regular cellphones have a production cost of about 3 dollar and the manufacturer can't make a extra dollar on services or software, i really can't see Apple in this business. Apple needs the appstore to have a steady cashflow to compensate for cheaper and cheaper hardware.
 
To be honest, I really can see the 'iPhone nano' becoming a success. Look at the iPod nano, you'd be hard pressed to find many teenagers without one or at least something in the iPod family. The iPhone nano wouldn't have to be groundbreaking technology etc... If Apple were to release it I believe they would be aiming it at the teenage market without a contract. No contract means it's more appealing because of the non existent monthly fees, and the fact that it would have the Apple logo on it would be a sell out. In all honesty, today's iPod nanos can't really do much more than ones made by Sony, Creative etc... it's the fact that it's got the Apple logo plastered on the back. Apple's a big company and they know what they're doing. If they're going to release an iPhone nano, they'll make it work. I know I'd think of buying it...
 
jamescwarren said:
In all honesty, today's iPod nanos can't really do much more than ones made by Sony, Creative etc... it's the fact that it's got the Apple logo plastered on the back.
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Then why isn't everybody buying Macs? The big buying factor for ipods is iTunes and the Appstore (Mac/PC) coupled with a good interface and hardware, even today there isn't 1 competitor that has something equally compelling to offer. Don't underestimate Mac compatibility, user trust the product more if it supports more operating systems.
 
We need a cheaper plan, not a cheaper phone

What's holding back some potential iPhone customers is the pricey data plan that does NOT include a text messaging plan, not its price.

I would gladly pay $74.99 /month for a LIMITED data plan, 1,500 text messages and 450 anytime minutes. $69.99 a month w/o any SMS is fleecing the customer. When you add a $20 unlimited text messaging plan you're looking at $89.99 /month before fees and taxes. I can't afford that.

The unlimited data component costs so much more and uses gobs more bandwidth than text messaging. Come on!
 
bruinsrme said:
Insulting to release an even cheaper iPhone?
The nano will draw the attention of a new audience if the price is right and the monthly plan can b reduced. My wfe has the shine and she thinks the iPhone is too big eventhough its thinner. Making a smaller foot print iPhone, I feel, will invite a wider audience to take a second look.

If you haven't been to a high school as of late, these kids are not walking around with 4 year old phones or 4 year old laptops.
I know my son gets a new phone at least every 18 months and a new computer every 2 years. Now that he is in college he will be getting a new computer every year.
Introduce the nano across multiple providers with the pay as you go internet I think apple will draw a great deal of interest and new customers.

Apple can't top the PC numbers yet but they have the ability of becoming the giant in the phone and music industry with the intro of new products.

First step is capture a larger audience through their phones/touches then start slipping out mac only features in itunes and so on.
Instant ixxx computer growth.

Whether the nano is a joke, insulting, stupid or whatever else negative its a platform to draw more people to apple products and to grow their audience and customer base.

Oh yeah, didn't the ATT service subscriptions dramatically increase when the lower price 3G phone come out? They got me and 5 others I know.
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The monthly plan can be reduced? Says who? You have confirmation from AT&T and every other carrier around the world that they're prepared to offer the same product in a smaller box, for less money? ALREADY?

Sorry, but there is absolutely no chance it would cost LESS per month. Not a chance.

Also, its better for you not to compare your child to the rest of "highschoolers". Maybe you don't notice them, but there are more "highschoolers" out there who have no chance whatsoever of affording even decent cell phone, let alone an iPhone Nano.
 
electronboy said:
What's holding back some potential iPhone customers is the pricey data plan that does NOT include a text messaging plan, not its price.

I would gladly pay $74.99 /month for a LIMITED data plan, 1,500 text messages and 450 anytime minutes. $69.99 a month w/o any SMS is fleecing the customer. When you add a $20 unlimited text messaging plan you're looking at $89.99 /month before fees and taxes. I can't afford that.

The unlimited data component costs so much more and uses gobs more bandwidth than text messaging. Come on!
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I completely agree with this. I am waiting on a 32gb iPhone. I could care less about the internet usage. I have not really looked into AT&T's pricing for the iPhone, but I am sure it will be over $100/month. I will also have to look into adding my wife on a plan as well and see if it would be worth leaving our current Sprint service. I'm starting to think an iPhone may not be in my future....
 
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