i think im goin to start a forum dedicated to just that. it might take like 20 people but all the work divided by 20 doesn't seem impossible
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iPhone on Verizon in Nov 2008
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i think im goin to start a forum dedicated to just that. it might take like 20 people but all the work divided by 20 doesn't seem impossible
LOL, I can just see it. If verzion had the iphone the OS would be watered down heavily with Vcast replacing the itunes store and everything else in the entertainment section. instead of an apple logo on the back we would see a big red Verzion logo.
Just to note, I just left verzion behind with all of those unused wasted minutes
Just to note, I just left verzion behind with all of those unused wasted minutes
Thank you to everyone who has posted after Oclor. You have reasonable objections without bashing what i posted, which was an article released by Veriozn Wireless on their own page stating that they would allow outside phones in.
P.S.- If youre going to complain about the thread still being open then dont post a complaint on a thread that you dont want to read, just skip over it liek a normal person would, and move on with your life.
MrRogers
P.S.- If youre going to complain about the thread still being open then dont post a complaint on a thread that you dont want to read, just skip over it liek a normal person would, and move on with your life.
MrRogers
WOW!!! There is so much misinformed BS in this one thread to count. The fanboy crap extends not just to Apple but to AT&T as well?!
Several ppl have already beat me to the punch on correcting several of the misconceptions...CDMA vs GSM newer/older etc... Actually, we got stuck w/ the crappier of the 2 technologies thanks to the European union and our desire to use their systems when we roam, but that's another debate altogether. And one other thought....IIRC...as AT&T is switching to 3G for data, they are switching to WCDMA for the air interface for voice instead of TDMA. This is an "about time" improvement bringing voice quality to CDMA quality.
I also think you guys failed repeatedly to actually answer the question being asked. The OP already realized the technology was different, hence the comment about switching the chip to CDMA. What he didn't realize was that this was not something that was really possible. But someone did finally answer that as well.
One misconception that I believe was never corrected is Verizon allowing other hardware on their network. There is a very well documented program that Verizon has begun called "Any Apps, Any Device" to qualify other hardware to run on their network. I believe they approved their first phone under this program in the last month. I agree it's stupid that someone must go through a qualifying process, if it's CDMA on the right frequency....just activate the stupid thing!! But to say they won't at all is wrong and you guys need to catch up w/ the current state of things. So many people here are eager to jump in with their answers without having a clue about what they speak of. I don't get it.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/verizon-opens-up-about-any-apps-any-device/
Edit: and to be clear, "Any Apps, Any Device" implies CDMA devices utilizing Verizon's frequencies. This could not possibly include a GSM device, unless such device was a "Global" phone w/ a CDMA radio as well as a GSM radio.
Several ppl have already beat me to the punch on correcting several of the misconceptions...CDMA vs GSM newer/older etc... Actually, we got stuck w/ the crappier of the 2 technologies thanks to the European union and our desire to use their systems when we roam, but that's another debate altogether. And one other thought....IIRC...as AT&T is switching to 3G for data, they are switching to WCDMA for the air interface for voice instead of TDMA. This is an "about time" improvement bringing voice quality to CDMA quality.
I also think you guys failed repeatedly to actually answer the question being asked. The OP already realized the technology was different, hence the comment about switching the chip to CDMA. What he didn't realize was that this was not something that was really possible. But someone did finally answer that as well.
One misconception that I believe was never corrected is Verizon allowing other hardware on their network. There is a very well documented program that Verizon has begun called "Any Apps, Any Device" to qualify other hardware to run on their network. I believe they approved their first phone under this program in the last month. I agree it's stupid that someone must go through a qualifying process, if it's CDMA on the right frequency....just activate the stupid thing!! But to say they won't at all is wrong and you guys need to catch up w/ the current state of things. So many people here are eager to jump in with their answers without having a clue about what they speak of. I don't get it.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/verizon-opens-up-about-any-apps-any-device/
Edit: and to be clear, "Any Apps, Any Device" implies CDMA devices utilizing Verizon's frequencies. This could not possibly include a GSM device, unless such device was a "Global" phone w/ a CDMA radio as well as a GSM radio.
I'm no expert, but according to George Hotz, the original iphone unlocker, the chip that does the 3G on the new iphone migh also support CDMA, which, if they ever unlock it, could potentially mean it could work on the verizon network.
I guess depending on which chip it is, there could be several modes available, one of which could be the CDMA that verizon uses, which would mean that they could write some software to enable that portion of the chip to work. It's probably a long shot as it would take some serious skills from someone who really wanted to see it work, but it *could* be possible someday, assuming it uses the amplifier chip that George was thinking of.
I don't think they know for sure yet either way, but he first mentioned it here on his blog: http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-unlocking.html.
I guess depending on which chip it is, there could be several modes available, one of which could be the CDMA that verizon uses, which would mean that they could write some software to enable that portion of the chip to work. It's probably a long shot as it would take some serious skills from someone who really wanted to see it work, but it *could* be possible someday, assuming it uses the amplifier chip that George was thinking of.
I don't think they know for sure yet either way, but he first mentioned it here on his blog: http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-unlocking.html.
If Verizon ever hooks up with the iPhone, it would be a miracle, well for me.
AT&T sucks in my area. The places I need it the most it doesn't work. The places I don't really need it it works like a charm.
But I think the iPhone should have a multi-carrier option. We can all have our choices of AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon. Whatever works best in our area is the carrier we choose.
Now with Verizon, isn't their internet expensive? Isn't it like 1.99 per MB transferred? For me, that would be like $200 a month.
If Verizon wasn't so concerned about their own sake, they could have made out pretty well with the iPhone.
AT&T sucks in my area. The places I need it the most it doesn't work. The places I don't really need it it works like a charm.
But I think the iPhone should have a multi-carrier option. We can all have our choices of AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon. Whatever works best in our area is the carrier we choose.
Now with Verizon, isn't their internet expensive? Isn't it like 1.99 per MB transferred? For me, that would be like $200 a month.
If Verizon wasn't so concerned about their own sake, they could have made out pretty well with the iPhone.
Haha. That's a good one!
Bad analogy, epic rebuttal. We'll go with another one:
The iPhone is a swan. A beautiful little swan. CDMA phones are a pack of wild boars. Scientists (hardware hackers), wanting to play God, capture a boar and a swan and GUT them... alive... they put the boar organs into the swan (and throw the swan organs away, apparently) and reanimate the bloated swan-boar monstrosity.
It doesn't kill its creators and then go on to terrorize a small town in western Europe because it doesn't even COME back to life.
What part of "Thread over" didn't you people understand?! I said it earlier; CDMA ≠ GSM. That. Is. Final.
That would never work unless you rewrote the firmware to support the CDMA and enable whatever needs to be enabled. You would have to also enable it on the board itself, i.e. soldering, rewiring, like that. After that, you would have to bypass all of Apple's encryptions to get iTunes or some other program to accept the rewritten firmware as an actual valid iPhone firmware, and flash it over. And EVEN THEN, if you manage to get all that to work, you would have to somehow manage to get it activated on Verizon, which would be next to impossible since you would have to bring it in since it's not built for the Verizon network. And they would NEVER activate a hacked iPhone. They only would if one of your friends worked there and would activate it for you. Even then, at the first or second billing cycle Verizon would see that it's not one of their phones and kick you off, and that's only if you somehow manage to get Verizon's data and voice working on the iPhone. So yeah, it's pretty much impossible.
Agreed, because based on the fact that he wanted to replace the GSM chip with a CDMA chip, the OP already knew GSM ≠ CDMA. All these jerks that keep making that post are wasting everyone's time.
What chipset would that be that does both GSM and CDMA? (I haven't kept up....I'm honestly wondering.)
I'm not sure which one does this. I'm only repeating what I read on George's website.
It's definitely a long shot that it would ever work, but some hackers love the challenge and may try it out. I doubt that in any case it would ever become as mainstream as the T-mobile hack for the first gen.
Why is everyone being so impatient? There was just a momentary lack of understanding, nobody is born knowing about mobile phone networking tecnologies lol
That's very interesting, do you know more about that?
To me it sounds like Verizon blew their chance at an AMAZING deal, since users wouldn't be able to bypass a contract with Verizon and "unlock" a CDMA phone... or could they?
Whoa, that should be in a different thread. Different topic altogether, where the discussion can get heated!
That's very interesting, do you know more about that?
To me it sounds like Verizon blew their chance at an AMAZING deal, since users wouldn't be able to bypass a contract with Verizon and "unlock" a CDMA phone... or could they?
Whoa, that should be in a different thread. Different topic altogether, where the discussion can get heated!
CDMA phones are not locked. However, both Sprint and Verizon have a history of not activating ESNs from other networks. This has virtually the same effect as locking a phone. But that situation is currently changing and I'm sure Sprint would have jumped to activate iPhones if it meant stealing the customer from Verizon anyway.
I rembrer watching that. May's failure was epically awesome.actually, you can!
watch the entire top gear (UK) clip here. He even managed to get across the english channel (21 miles) in it
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