I am by no means an expert in this area, but from what i've read, CDMA is supposed to have better call quality and ability to go through metal buildings vs. GSM.
In my personal experience, this has been the case, but YMMV.
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I am by no means an expert in this area, but from what i've read, CDMA is supposed to have better call quality and ability to go through metal buildings vs. GSM.
In my personal experience, this has been the case, but YMMV.
I think the Pre might actually have some impact in the Verizon/iPhone situation.
Verizon doesn't have an iPhone competitor (regardless of how much money they pour into Vista, oops Storm, ads and bundles.) The Pre is Sprint exclusive and will also be available worldwide in GSM, giving competition to both Verizon and Apple. I think Q4 2009/Q1 2010 would be a great time for Apple and Verizon to form their unholy bond.
Shudder to think how Verizon would want to screw it up though (imagine the red bars interface all over the iPhone)
Verizon doesn't have an iPhone competitor (regardless of how much money they pour into Vista, oops Storm, ads and bundles.) The Pre is Sprint exclusive and will also be available worldwide in GSM, giving competition to both Verizon and Apple. I think Q4 2009/Q1 2010 would be a great time for Apple and Verizon to form their unholy bond.
Shudder to think how Verizon would want to screw it up though (imagine the red bars interface all over the iPhone)
My contract ends this May. i was hoping for the iPhone to come out this summer or something but I probably was over my head. If it came out in 2010 and Im on my new 2 yr contract I would be god im stuck til 2011. I dont think i want cancel the phone i get this summer and pay for the cancellation then have to buy the iphone. Any suggestions as to any good VZ phones coming out by May?
Oh I hope this isn't true. IMO, it will tarnish the iPhone like 50yr old silver. Verizon has the WORST customer service and worst devices on their network. As for service, I can't speculate as I've never had Verizon wireless service, but my AT&T is rock solid. I'm great here in NYC and when I travel, it's been great in NH, NJ, WV, etc. I also don't like how Verizon cripples all the bluetooth stacks (admittedly the iPhone's is as well, but it doesn't have to be) on their devices.
One other note, what about Visual Voicemail? This was the "cherry on top" so to speak when I bought my iPhone. AT&T worked very hard on this with Apple to bring to it's customers, I doubt they'd let Verizon do the same. Why would someone ever want to listen through a bunch of messages just to hear the one they want ever again. It's like going to dialup after having broadband.
One other note, what about Visual Voicemail? This was the "cherry on top" so to speak when I bought my iPhone. AT&T worked very hard on this with Apple to bring to it's customers, I doubt they'd let Verizon do the same. Why would someone ever want to listen through a bunch of messages just to hear the one they want ever again. It's like going to dialup after having broadband.
Cell phone companies (almost) make me wish we lived in a police state where there is no competition. Yeah, freedom is all well and good, but it also means crappy cellular coverage!!! Anybody here ever been to rural China? Over there you can get 5 bars in the middle of a freaking rice paddy in the middle of freaking nowhere!! I guess the threat of being visited in the night by men with guns is a pretty good incentive for making sure your cellular coverage doesn't suck.
/SARCASM
Anybody here ever been to rural China? Over there you can get 5 bars in the middle of a freaking rice paddy in the middle of freaking nowhere!! I guess the threat of being visited in the night by men with guns is a pretty good incentive for making sure your cellular coverage doesn't suck. /SARCASM
Really?
At least proof read before posting. Like ATT? Then stay with ATT. For those who prefer VZW, go to VZW. Cell phone service is very subjective, based on where you live and where you use it.
At least proof read before posting. Like ATT? Then stay with ATT. For those who prefer VZW, go to VZW. Cell phone service is very subjective, based on where you live and where you use it.
At least think before you post. I have Verizon for FiOS and my finance used to have Verizon for wireless. She used to complain about their CS all the time. I also seem to get the not so bright ones when I call with issues, like when Verizon just blew off my installation time while I sat there for 8hrs.
As for service, yes, it's very subjective. As I posted, I couldn't personally attest for Verizon's service, only stating that I have used AT&T in various states while traveling (numerous times) and that my service is very acceptable, contrary to what other posted about "AT&T sucking".
Same here, the company I work for is 100% Verizon for phones and laptop air cards. Sucks being stuck with a BlackJack running Windows Mobile that takes forever to do something as simple as turn on. I wouldn't switch my personal cellphone to an iPhone though, until a "pay-as-you-go" option is available. I don't use a cellphone enough to just spending more than $15 a month on service regardless of the carrier.
Do I think it is going to happen? Not in 2009...Do I want it to happen? YES.
I am a Verizon user and I am simply craving the iPhone. I have a Blackberry Storm since I want the smartphone experience but it is nothing like the iPhone. It crashes constantly, it is slow, and the browser doesn't even come close.
There are plenty of people that use Verizon that are not interested in switching (like myself). If Apple wants to make this device a universal thing (even more than it already is) than they need to expand who carries the device. Remember what happened in 2003...Apple had the iPod for Macs only (well PC, but not easily). Then they introduced the iPod that works well with Windows (and iTunes for Windows). Things changed for them at that moment. Verizon now has 80 million subscribers (probably 50% of them would want iPhones) and that is something they cannot ignore.
I am a Verizon user and I am simply craving the iPhone. I have a Blackberry Storm since I want the smartphone experience but it is nothing like the iPhone. It crashes constantly, it is slow, and the browser doesn't even come close.
There are plenty of people that use Verizon that are not interested in switching (like myself). If Apple wants to make this device a universal thing (even more than it already is) than they need to expand who carries the device. Remember what happened in 2003...Apple had the iPod for Macs only (well PC, but not easily). Then they introduced the iPod that works well with Windows (and iTunes for Windows). Things changed for them at that moment. Verizon now has 80 million subscribers (probably 50% of them would want iPhones) and that is something they cannot ignore.
Wow. You've never used their customer service, yet you can make this judgement? And sorry, but FiOS is a completely different branch of customer service, so you're basically talking about two different companies.
I used AT&T from 1999-2003, Verizon from 2003-2008, and have been back on AT&T since August 2008 with the iPhone. So I feel like I'm actually qualified to comment on the two companies in relation to service. That said, I'd say neither is really all that good, neither all that bad, and certainly neither to the extent that CS would be a significant variable in choosing a network.
But then to take it a step further and say you hope it doesn't happen based on what you imagine their customer service to be like? What is that?? If the iPhone comes to Verizon, you'll still be able to use yours on AT&T, so really what's bothering you so much that you want to keep the iPhone out of the hands of millions of Verizon customers?
Who says it would be crippled? Man alive, do I wish people would read threads before they post. Why? Because it's considerate and I explained this three times in this thread already. Summary: Verizon doesn't control hardware and software like it used to.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7155534/
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7157098/
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7158010/
One other note, what about Visual Voicemail? This was the "cherry on top" so to speak when I bought my iPhone. AT&T worked very hard on this with Apple to bring to it's customers, I doubt they'd let Verizon do the same. Why would someone ever want to listen through a bunch of messages just to hear the one they want ever again. It's like going to dialup after having broadband.
The Blackberry Storm already does visual voicemail on the Verizon network. There's no reason Apple couldn't do VV with Verizon. None.
Consumer Reports' top 5 smartphones for 2008 also happened to be models released mid-2007. If I'm appliance shopping, I'll listen to CR. But for everything else, CR is hardly the best resource.
The whole "Any Device, Any Apps" thing isn't that impressive; AT&T and T-Mobile have been using it since before they were using their current names. And it doesn't work that well on CDMA; you still need to go in to get your phone encoded. You can't even take advantage of it because it's pretty much impossible to get a CDMA phone that works on Verizon's bands the way you can snag unlocked GSM phones.
The most optimal situation, IMO, would be (under the assumption that Verizon adopts SIM cards when they start implementing LTE) Apple selling you an iPhone for $500/$600 and the carrier giving you a subsidy/refund if you snag one of their SIM cards.
I have no doubt that Apple is developing a CDMA iphone, but it will be for
China and South Korea. Those are largely untapped markets for Apple. These iphones will probably be limited in their features as those countries cell usage is strictly controlled. That would explain the hiring of CDMA engineers. CDMA in this country is a "dead end". The world is on GSM and most surely all phones in the future will be GSM based, even Verizon. It will probably come about with the 4G service. As far as service with each provider, it has been covered before. Depending on where you live, either Verizon or AT & T has better service! No cell provider has the country covered as we would like! As far as tethering goes, it will probably be allowed, but with a very limited bandwidth option. It is unlikely that any 3G network could handle thousands of people using the tethering option with their personal computers as the sole connection to the internet. Which is the fear of every cell phone company, not just AT & T. Using a personal computer uses a lot more bandwidth than a cell phone. This could happen as people would drop their home broadband connections. We all know that would happen! At that point, we wouldn't have "mobile broadband" anymore. The system would fail!
China and South Korea. Those are largely untapped markets for Apple. These iphones will probably be limited in their features as those countries cell usage is strictly controlled. That would explain the hiring of CDMA engineers. CDMA in this country is a "dead end". The world is on GSM and most surely all phones in the future will be GSM based, even Verizon. It will probably come about with the 4G service. As far as service with each provider, it has been covered before. Depending on where you live, either Verizon or AT & T has better service! No cell provider has the country covered as we would like! As far as tethering goes, it will probably be allowed, but with a very limited bandwidth option. It is unlikely that any 3G network could handle thousands of people using the tethering option with their personal computers as the sole connection to the internet. Which is the fear of every cell phone company, not just AT & T. Using a personal computer uses a lot more bandwidth than a cell phone. This could happen as people would drop their home broadband connections. We all know that would happen! At that point, we wouldn't have "mobile broadband" anymore. The system would fail!
Um, no. Both are Verizon. Wow. I really wish you'd read a reply before posting. As I stated earlier, my fiance had Verizon wireless and would complain to me about their CS.
Would you like a cookie? I actually feel that CS is part of a decision I make when I consider a vendor for a service. I sincerely hope you do not make these decisions or offer input on such matters at your place of employment.
I'm not imaging anything. I'm guessing you perused and not actually read?
**Citation needed
I stand corrected, it apparently does do this and I apologize for the misinformation.
You're right. Listening to one person's second-hand accounts about their experience with Verizon's CS is definitely reason enough to hope that the iPhone doesn't become available on their network for their customers. Certainly it's enough evidence to make an absolute judgment like "Verizon has the WORST customer service."
Yes. I'd like a cookie. As I mentioned, I've used both providers extensively and both of their CS departments are pretty meh, so I have trouble imagining that it would be a significant deciding factor, especially compared to factors like coverage, rate plans, call quality, and available devices.
http://news.vzw.com/news/2007/11/pr2007-11-27.html
Where's my cookie?!
I switched from a Motorola Q on Sprint, to AT&T solely for the purpose of the iPhone. While AT&T's service isn't as good as Sprint's, I am happy overall.
I've had Verizon in the past, and I hated it. Way too expensive, and in my area - the coverage wasn't any better than any other carrier in the area. Plus, Consumer Reports had Verizon on the top of the list for random dropped calls, which I personally have experienced when I had them. Plus, I know of MANY people who got rid of Verizon for the random dropped call issues, as well as their high prices, and horrible customer service, and arrogant attitudes.
I like AT&T. While the coverage might not be the best, I like their customer support - and most importantly, when I call them - I get an American who can understand what I am trying to ask rather than someone in a completely different country who I can barely understand and who doesn't understand me. Little things like that make me pleased with their service.
With that said, I hope the iPhone doesn't go to Verizon. Apple doesn't need them.
I've had Verizon in the past, and I hated it. Way too expensive, and in my area - the coverage wasn't any better than any other carrier in the area. Plus, Consumer Reports had Verizon on the top of the list for random dropped calls, which I personally have experienced when I had them. Plus, I know of MANY people who got rid of Verizon for the random dropped call issues, as well as their high prices, and horrible customer service, and arrogant attitudes.
I like AT&T. While the coverage might not be the best, I like their customer support - and most importantly, when I call them - I get an American who can understand what I am trying to ask rather than someone in a completely different country who I can barely understand and who doesn't understand me. Little things like that make me pleased with their service.
With that said, I hope the iPhone doesn't go to Verizon. Apple doesn't need them.
You're right, 2years of my own experience and 4 years of my future wife's are not a frame of reference for opinion formulation at all...
As mentioned, I have also used both providers, so far AT&T has blown me away. I've never had a carrier (or any other CS dept) fix a problem and call me back to resolve and make sure I am satisfied. For example when I purchased my 16GB original iPhone to replace my 8GB original. My 2yr contract didn't backdate as I was told. The CS rep said she'd find out what's up and that I should see a change in 30 days. I got a call 30 days later saying everything was taken care of. Perhaps Verizon's CS is actually better now and there will be one less issue should Verizon in fact be able to offer the device on their network.
Ok ok ok, chocolate chip. There ya go.
HA.. yeah right. You think Apple doesn't want another 10+ million instant sales? An EVDO iPhone is trivial to create, its just a matter of the contract B.S. And there is no way in hell I believe they would be naive enough to sign their life away for 5 years with AT&T. That's an eternity in consumer electronics/cellphones/computer terms..
1) They usually talk about HSPA in terms of "W-CDMA", and not solely "CDMA".
2) More importantly, the job listing specifically mentioned "EV-DO".
Pointless? Not really, considering there are ~400 MILLION CDMA2000/EV-DO users in the world (only 1/3 in NA) including many in Asia and South America.
Besides, it will take a *LONG* time for Verizon's 700Mhz LTE network to get anywhere NEAR the coverage area of their ubiquitous EV-DO 3G network.
You hope it doesn't happen because you don't like their commercials? Could you be any more childish? How about the dramatically expanded marketshare the iPhone would see? Or the choice of using a network with far larger 3G coverage?
Another case of irrationality.. Who wouldn't want the iPhone to continue to succeed in marketshare? Or be available on another network?
Trivial? If it's trivial, why aren't you working for Apple engineering the new hardware necessary to accommodate a CDMA radio in the device? It's not trivial by any means.
So if a job said WinXP or OS X 10.4 as a requirement, would you be turned away? Vista and Leopard wouldn't be too hard to master if you knew their former incarnations well. I would want an engineer familiar with EVDO if I was going to develop an iPhone for Verizon's newer network.
Yes pointless, it wouldn't take as long to get their LTE network going if they say, had millions of iPhone users using a new spec. Growing the network will take time sure, but know you have a revenue stream in the form of a new flashy device people will want to use on your network makes the investment that much more worth while.
So long as said network doesn't cheapen or tarnish the image already. Not to say Verizon will, but if marketshare is to be increased, I'd imagine small operators would be given a "slice of the pie".
I can see the addition of a CDMA iPhone happening by the end of this year. I was reading a while ago (sorry could not find a link) of a group that wanted to set up a class action against Apple for only having one service provider. The reasoning for the class action was this. The iPhone was sold on the fact you had to sign up for a 2 or 3 year contract, and after that you are free to go whereever. Well if there is only one carrier in the US that is iPhone friendly, then you are really attached to the carrier as long as you own your iPhone.
This summer will be year 2 of the iPhone. I can't see the Exclusive AT&T deal lasting more than 2010, unless Apple decides that AT&T will get first crack at the new iPhones and other carriers will have to wait a period of time before they can offer the new iPhone.
Of course we can not forget money. More carriers, more iPhones sold more money to Apple.
JMHO
This summer will be year 2 of the iPhone. I can't see the Exclusive AT&T deal lasting more than 2010, unless Apple decides that AT&T will get first crack at the new iPhones and other carriers will have to wait a period of time before they can offer the new iPhone.
Of course we can not forget money. More carriers, more iPhones sold more money to Apple.
JMHO
I hope the iPhone comes to verizon because out here on the west coast AT&T sucks and there coverage doesn't compare to Verizon. My roommate always has full bars and I barley get any serivce and we live in the city limits. I would jump ship to Verizon in a heart beat because out here on the westcoast Verizon has the best serivce hands down
i would like to know of some upcoming phones as well, and i can't seem to find anything online about this. and i bet if i walked into a Verizon store and asked about upcoming phones they either wouldn't know or wouldn't tell me.
anyone know of any good phones coming for Verizon?!?!