iPhone really have a REAL internet ?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by rwdebes, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. rwdebes macrumors 6502

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    internet on iphone is GREAT , the way you navigate is the real internet, but how can steve jobs call that iphone have the real internet, if you cant load flash websites ?? i use my iphone all the time on wi-fi spots , and i use the internet like i use in my computer.. to check news etc... and its really fast to load websites, if u use EDGE then dont go to flash websites.. i just want to know, WHY no flash ???

    internet nowdays without a flash player is cruel.. how many good sites use flash ? millions..


    what u guys think ?
     
  2. mongoos150 macrumors 6502a

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    I agree, but this has been discussed in many threads. I'm sure it will be enabled in a future software update.
     
  3. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    I think most people are going to spend more time using their phones on EDGE, not WiFi, and pages are already slow enough to load as it is.

    I do hope that Apple ads it in a future update for people like you, but make it a preference that people like me can turn off.

    I do wonder how much battery life it will suck out of the iPhone, though. I mean, this forum gets regular posts from people complaining that a web browser on a page with Flash makes the fans on their MB/MBP run fast (because Flash uses a lot of their CPU).

    Either way, I think that even without Flash, "the real Internet" is still a good way to describe how Safari displays it. Anyone with a BlackBerry can appreciate that.
     
  4. SheriffParker macrumors 6502a

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    I love it that the stupid ads won't show up, but some sites are utterly unnavigatable
     
  5. badtzmaru macrumors 6502

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    i hate sites with flash.. have you ever visited www.newsok.com? horrible horrible horrible and if it looks/performs that porrly in a regular web brower, imagine how bad it would be on a cell phone.


    i also dislike java . i disable it in firefox just to stay away.
     
  6. himansk macrumors regular

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    most of the flash i see on websites is advertisements, exceptions are always there but i would always prefer not to have flash on the iphone. though i can understand that many video websites similar to youtube use their own flash media players, so its obvious why people need flash. I dont use these sites much so i still prefer not having flash.
     
  7. billchase2 macrumors 68000

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    ouch.... waaaaaayyyyyyy too much flash used on that site!
     
  8. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    That site was slow, even on my normally fast cable modem. :eek:
     
  9. Nall macrumors regular

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    I'd really love it if something along the lines of FlashBlock was standard.

    Flash Player is horrifically inefficient.
     
  10. DonWilson macrumors member

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    Most of you guys cannot understand why Flash is not supported on such a tiny device. This phone is about touching with a finger. Flash is too complex to display on a tiny display and still be controlled easily. Just get over wishing for flash on the iPhone. It's not coming.
     
  11. j/k/Andy macrumors regular

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    I use Camino 1.5 with flash blocker as alot of flash content slows down my 667 G4. However I agree that Flash support needs to be added for real internet on the iPhone. Let's hope the iPhone makes the same advances as the iPod
     
  12. AtariAge macrumors member

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    I could have sworn that in one of the reviews I read someone mentioned that Flash support in Safari was planned but removed at the last minute. I see no reason that Flash can't be supported, as long as you can zoom in, which is something that Flash already supports. Given this is one of the negatives people harp on consistently, and it would just be a software upgrade, I can't see how Apple can ignore it. Hopefully they'll also make Safari more stable. :)

    ..Al
     
  13. Me1000 macrumors 68000

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    FLASH IS NOT THE INTERNET!

    let me put it this way,
    Microsoft makes a plugin for IE that lets you run exe files from your browser.

    it is not a standard, it is very proprietary!

    flash only works with a plugin, if you require a user to download a plugin to view your site, then it is not a website at all!
    :rolleyes:
     
  14. nickspohn macrumors 68040

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    To be honest, i was bummed there was going to be no flash.

    But then once i got my iPhone, there really is no difference.

    Plus no annoying ads for me.


    -nickspohn
     
  15. marksman macrumors 603

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    I am not a big fan of flash. As someone with lots of websites and webpages, flash is worthless in terms of sharing information on the internet. Search engines don't index flash etc.

    Flash is not the internet.

    There is a place for flash, but a lot of places flash is used now is not required or beneficial.
     
  16. mongoos150 macrumors 6502a

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    I completely disagree. Flash is quite useful in *many* "Web 2.0" sites, and isn't difficult to implement. Even listening to embedded podcasts (read: audio files) on sites is quite simple code-wise, yet unimplemented as of now. Here's to hoping it will be a swift fix.
     
  17. dashiel macrumors 6502a

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    i wouldn't hold my breath for flash. before getting my iphone i had assumed that flash support was just being postponed while the initial wave of bugs, foibles and errata were reported and addressed.

    speaking as a developer however i was disappointed to find that many simple, not to mention essential javascript events were not supported or supported in weird ways (mouseover, mouseup/mousedown treated as the same event, 5 second maximum on loops). flash is considerably more complex and resource hungry in terms of supported events and computations.

    flash often time requires its own gestural based interaction. flash has its own user interface controls that completely ignore the OS. how is the iphone going to interact with scroll bars? what about custom built gestural interface -- which a large portion of flash sites use? i'm not sure how the phone will be able to distinguish when a user is trying to drag/pan the web page and when they're trying to interact with the flash piece.

    basically flash on the phone isn't a technological barrier, it's a user interface one.
     
  18. SpaceJello macrumors 6502

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    Flash not supported on purpose?

    I came across a very interesting article http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q2.07/879DD82D-5595-4746-BFCE-524BBA7C7A85.html

    Basically, the writer suggest, flash is lefted out of the iphone on purpose just as the same way ipod refused to support WMA and similar formats. By doing so, WMA and Microsoft failed to dominate and straggle-hold the digital music industry.

    Flash is slowly creeping onto smartphone, through verizon and other variants of Flash on nokia etc. Reason for NOT supporting flash is a) usability issue, that mouse interaction is different than that of fingers, and b) it will an act to prevent Adobe and Flash from dominating the smartphone market. Instead, open standards are being pushed.
     
  19. AppleIntelRock macrumors 65816

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    sheesh!
    that news okay site is HORRIBLE. whomever mad that.. should be locked up
     
  20. DonWilson macrumors member

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    Most flash widgets are doable, but there are so many different types of flash objects out there (games mostly) that will be impossible to port to the iPhone's usability.
     
  21. ScottW-CO macrumors newbie

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    One of the first things I did, when I got ahold of my phone, was to surf to my my main work project. I've got a fair bit of ajax functionality built into it - select this item, other select item repopulates, timed updates of <div> contents, etc.

    All of it worked like a champ.

    So yeah, no Flash. That's something that'll come later.

    The "real" internet isn't just "OOH SHINY". The real internet is what you can DO with it. And I'm finding I can do a hell of a lot with the iPhone.
     
  22. DXoverDY macrumors 6502a

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    Personally I'm glad Flash didn't make it.

    Why?

    Flash is a CPU hog. Watch your battery life drop even faster while looking at sites with flash on them. Also, look at the number of advertisements. Wow. I honestly love the fact that you do not have those "Smack Paris Hilton and win a free iPod Nano" advertisements everywhere.

    Flash can stay off the iPhone. Good riddance i say.
     
  23. Noumenon macrumors regular

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    Since there is no Apple OS SDK release and only 3rd party dev. through Safari, i think they need to add flash maybe even full java, ...otherwise they should release an OS SDK.
     
  24. DXoverDY macrumors 6502a

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    It's a mobile device. They will at most allow people to write small applications for it. Not get deep and dirty with the applications and create plugins for safari and such.

    How would you like installing something that makes your iphone really unstable or even kills battery life? Probably not right?

    They will allow devs to write applications, BUT they will have a very minimal impact on the device itself.
     
  25. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    Preventing the rest of us from creating or using applications is just silly.

    The iPhone isn't stable even before adding third party apps. So much for the argument that they would be solely responsible for breaking it.

    People install software all the time on other phones. If it makes it unstable, take it off. If you don't want to take the chance, don't install anything.

    It's the difference between a Big Brother attitude and freedom. Something that Apple seems to have lost sight of, and that many users might be too young to realize.
     

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