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At some point they'll have to start putting the prices down.
I mean, there has been no significant design change in years and perhaps most people don't care about AI features... there are so many times we can buy the same phone every year.

Apple is targeting profit over market share.

My opinion only but I doubt that Apple will be lowering prices soon :).
 
I've asked my wife if she wants to upgrade her 13Pro to a 16Pro and the response was "meh". I'd take over her 13Pro to replace my XS which is my work phone (I do work/life balance by not having work email and apps on my primary phone). But even with a new 16Pro resulting in basically two upgrades, we still haven't bothered to pull the trigger. The AI features that I got on my 15Pro are not the slightest bit compelling so far either. Is three year upgrade cycle the new two year upgrade cycle? Maybe.
3? I used to be a 1 year, then 2, then 3. Now I seriously think I’m a 4 year man.

With no new compelling features why upgrade and pay the Apple tax?
 
[...]I upgraded my 13 Pro to a 16 Pro, only because my employer paid for it. It has been the most boring, lateral upgrade of any tech in recent memory. A month later, it feels exactly the same as my 13 Pro did.
Before the announcement I was sure to do the same thing. Exact same upgrade. But I just couldn't find a reason to, there wasn't really a single thing about it that would've been really exciting to get.
 
Well, there wasn't a massive difference between iPhone 15 and 16 apart from a dedicated camera button which no one asked for. Or the delayed AI fiasco.

We need, as our American cousins say, something tangible that's worthy of upgrade. This will be unpopular opinion but there is nothing incitcing me to upgrade from my iPhone 13 Mini.
Even numbered iPhones are the S models
 
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There really isn't much to do in terms of form factor, materials, or hardware performance at this late stage in smartphone development.
Wholeheartedly disagree there. On the Android side they are constantly trying new things like phones with multiple displays that fold into tablets and whatnot. Apple has been fixated on the same form factor (more or less) for 15 years.

It would be fun to see Apple cannibilize their iPhone sales with the next big thing.
 
A lot can be done in smartphones to begin with almost everyphone in the android has been trying to create a desktop phone, remember samsung DEX. Well if anyone who can do it is Apple, they have the software and hardware both to execute it. Yet for 5 yrs now Apple has been dragging its feet so that it doesnt cannibalise its other hardware sales. If they wanted they could do it 5 yrs ago even before M1 was released. Infact the ARM based Developer Mac minis used during Transition has A series chips from iPads.
 
This article makes it sound like Apple is selling fewer iPhones. They’re not, the number just isn’t growing as fast as others.

That’s not a catastrophe. Far from it. That’s expected, given Apple has been making these to last MUCH longer and still be useful compared to most of the comparable Android phones out there.

If I didn’t have a 15PM right now, I’d have leapt on a 16 Plus as an upgrade from my 13. But I DO have it, and I feel no driving need to upgrade till maybe the 17 or 18 series. It’s just that good.

If I had an android? Sure, I’d be looking to upgrade sooner because it would already be showing its age.
 
Smaller sample size of course, but I've never seen more people either switching to Android outright, or talking about switching more seriously than ever before (both in person and on forums), than I have over the past couple of years.
 
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Really sad how the biggest innovation of the iPhone 16 is an additional bitten when the key selling point of the first iPhone was the fact that I’d had a touch screen and no physical buttons.

I really dislike the new camera button. It seems so lost.
 
I've asked my wife if she wants to upgrade her 13Pro to a 16Pro and the response was "meh". I'd take over her 13Pro to replace my XS which is my work phone (I do work/life balance by not having work email and apps on my primary phone). But even with a new 16Pro resulting in basically two upgrades, we still haven't bothered to pull the trigger. The AI features that I got on my 15Pro are not the slightest bit compelling so far either. Is three year upgrade cycle the new two year upgrade cycle? Maybe.
by now the 13 should have been losing battery capacity and the XS (!!!) should be long past its Use By date...

lots of people now upgrade every three years. you notice a significant change in that timeframe.

the loudest whingers about the 16 are from 15 users who like their yearly refresh but cant justify it this time around. ;)

the "useless" camera button isnt at all.
i used to use the on screen camera button but now prefer and use the dedicated button.
not tinkered much with manual settings using the touch slider feature but I know it's there if I want to muscle memory it some time...

the touch screen is a bit more dicky in the 16. fails to register some areas every time. hopefully a software fix sometime.
 
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Wholeheartedly disagree there. On the Android side they are constantly trying new things like phones with multiple displays that fold into tablets and whatnot. Apple has been fixated on the same form factor (more or less) for 15 years.

It would be fun to see Apple cannibilize their iPhone sales with the next big thing.
you rarely, if ever, see an Android foldable screen in use in public here.

the price premium probably or the horrible fold line put people off.
 
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Small sample size of course, but I've never seen more people either switching to Android outright, or talking about switching more seriously than ever before, than I have over the past couple of years.
the sales data doesnt show that.
more Android users are switching. it's usually 10-13% each year . Apple users tend to stay loyal far more...
 
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3? I used to be a 1 year, then 2, then 3. Now I seriously think I’m a 4 year man.

With no new compelling features why upgrade and pay the Apple tax?
I'll always enter these discussions to say this: The fact that you don't feel a need to upgrade your phone most likely has more to do with how good phones are now, such that you'll use them for the 2-3-4 years you mention. That's a testament to the greatness of Apple phones.

You all confuse this. And those of you complaining that you don't have a reason to upgrade your 15 Pro Max? First world problems.
 
...and if some of you had actually read the article rather than commenting on the headline, you'd have understood that the "innovation" that is driving sales of Android devices is...wait for it...PRICE.

Apple has no interest in competing in the $295 phone market. And, if you prefer to buy that $295 (more innovative!) phone, let's see if you're still using it in 3-4-5 years like your iPhone xs or 11 or 12. :)
 
I have an iPhone 13 Pro and it's still going strong. If they want more sales they need to make the products more fragile (which they are rumoured to be doing for the 17 Pro).
I love my 13 Pro! It’s gonna take something big to pry it outta my hands!
 
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At some point they'll have to start putting the prices down.
I mean, there has been no significant design change in years and perhaps most people don't care about AI features... there are so many times we can buy the same phone every year.

Not increasing prices is reducing them in real terms, since inflation has been so high and biting into the value of money. Samsung and Google have been increasing prices by hundreds of dollars.
 
Not increasing prices is reducing them in real terms, since inflation has been so high and biting into the value of money. Samsung and Google have been increasing prices by hundreds of dollars.

Yes, but you can routinely find deals on Samsung and Google phones for several hundred dollars off, unlike current iPhones. My wife bought a Pixel 8 about a month after it was released, for half off, without a contract. Paid cash and out the door, and it was unlocked in 60 days.

As for iPhone prices, I expect them to go up in parallel with tariffs, if they are implemented.
 
This article makes it sound like Apple is selling fewer iPhones. They’re not, the number just isn’t growing as fast as others.

That’s not a catastrophe. Far from it. That’s expected, given Apple has been making these to last MUCH longer and still be useful compared to most of the comparable Android phones out there.

If I didn’t have a 15PM right now, I’d have leapt on a 16 Plus as an upgrade from my 13. But I DO have it, and I feel no driving need to upgrade till maybe the 17 or 18 series. It’s just that good.

If I had an android? Sure, I’d be looking to upgrade sooner because it would already be showing its age.
This. The problem is this goes counter to stockholders that demand infinite growth. My biggest hope as a consumer is that Apple crumbles under it's own weight and ends up taking itself private. Investors are nothing but locusts.
 
This. The problem is this goes counter to stockholders that demand infinite growth. My biggest hope as a consumer is that Apple crumbles under it's own weight and ends up taking itself private. Investors are nothing but locusts.
Plus, Apple makes a metric ton of cash off of their services these days. They can afford to sell more-but-slightly-less-more-than-desired bits of hardware due to that.

Apple is in no danger of falling behind in general revenues, and folks need to remember that Apple is also a software/services company, not just a phone-selling company!
 
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