Please post reliable sources for this sales data you've mentioned. And, I am speaking about the USA here, because that is where I live.
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Remember Apple doesn’t have AI: they have Intelligence and machine learning. /s
AI is a nice tool for writing and research but I agree average Joe probably scratching their head wondering what all the fuss is about. The best AI will always be invisible.
Not surprised. My iPhone 13 is just marginally faster than my iPhone 7 was. The phones are too expensive now and the user experience feels like it gets worse each year.
The only thing that could get me to upgrade from my mini 12 is a new mini
Anything bigger is too big.
Even then, I just put a new battery in it so I’m good for a couple years
Come January 1st 2025, Apple discontinues iPhone SE and iPhone 14 in EU, had confirmation today (due to Lightning).
That means the "cheapest" iPhone you can buy in the EU is around €850 or around $900.
I don't think that will help sales.
That means the "cheapest" iPhone you can buy in the EU is around €850 or around $900.
I don't think that will help sales.
I haven't looked into it lately, but as I understand it, devices already on lightning prior to the directive could continue to be sold. The SE 2022 was released about six month before it was passed, so it should be fine.
Either way, the new SE will most likely be released in the spring, leaving just a few months without a cheaper iPhone.
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Was Apple Intelligence supposed to increase phone sales? Because I haven't even turned it on. Everything I've read about it suggests it's not very useful, and that combined with the fact that the OS is training it using everything you have on your phone, makes me not want to bother.
I suspect most non-nerdy types care about it even less.
I suspect most non-nerdy types care about it even less.
That pretty much sums it. Seems as of late, anything Apple comes out with now is just the same old same old. Last time I felt any real excitement was when the original iPad was released, and the iPhone X.
I'd say the longevity of the devices are what you should be expecting given their cost. If you buy any consumer electronics device you should expect it to be functional at least 3-4 years.
Agreed. There was just nothing there that the average person is going to care much about.
I feel differently. Different strokes for different folks.
It was thought people felt the same about Apple Pay. And here we are.
I don’t see that happening. Think it will take sone time for apple intelligence to glow through the ecosystem.
There wasn't a lot of difference in the products launched this year to last year and as an owner of a 16 Pro Max, I don't think I would have been upgrading to it if I had been using a 14 Pro and 15 Pro type iPhone. Apple maintains itself as leader in terms of profit due to increased pricing, but in this market it is about being an influencial force through users and Apple need to appeal to more people in the coming years. Profit is great and all, but you have to maintain relevance and longevity.
I get a new iPhone Pro annually through the upgrade program, BUT Apple has done this to themselves. They lost their way and have not innovated, have not brought us the consumer anything to be excited about in many years when it comes to the iPhone. This year, we got a new button for a camera control that no one asked for, and I personally never use. The Pro's do not even get any fun colors like that non pro, and for what these phones cost, we should get updates that excite us and push the boundaries every so often.
Indeed.
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I saw no reason to upgrade from my iPhone 15 Pro Max and I only got that from my 14 Pro Max to get USB C. This one will probably not be changed for a few years. Before the 15 Pro Max I used to upgrade annually, don't feel the need to now.
I have to say the camera control button is truly awful and I agree it was a poor solution to a problem that didn't exist. Whenever I remember to try it, its fiddly, in the wrong place ergonomically and you simply couldn't rely on it if you had a picture that was urgent. I don't know what Apple were thinking with it and it feels like adding a feature for the sake of it because the 16 wasn't a big enough upgrade to the 15. Hopefully Apple are seeing the less than positive feedback across the internet and something will change for next year. Unlike you, I don't wish to upgrade every year thankfully so don't get frustrated too much by things like this.
Having a USB-C charging port instead of Lightning is probably the most compelling reason to upgrade.
And isn't that just sad?
I'd love to drop a grand on a 16 mini with USB-C support. I'd be happy with a 17 mini too. But as it is, there's nothing in their lineup that's a compelling upgrade from my 13 mini.
It's funny from my social circle, I've seen android die hards switch to apple now that the iPhone has some of the basic android features.
And they also didn't like the android fold thing. The camera was a compromise for the form factor.
Yeah, there are so many little things that we use on a regular basis that should be so much better than they are. I care much more about existing functionality that I will use many times over my ownership of the device than I do about some “magical” new function I’ll probably rarely use. Examples?
- Finger is supposed to be the primary way to interact, yet I can’t reliably place a cursor with my finger and in many instances end up having to deal with whatever it decided to select.
- Some shortcut/automation notifications can’t be silenced with a Focus mode, so I sometimes get awakened by them.
- Built in productivity apps (Pages, Numbers, etc.) have limited interoperability. Lack support for open source Office alternatives.
- CarPlay takes over car audio when browsing the web or using an app even though I am (parked at the time) listening to a completely different audio source at the time.
- Mysterious WiFi dropouts and general unreliability across multiple iOS/iPadOS versions that improve if you turn off “Private WiFi Address” even though no other WiFi devices in your home have issues.
- Siri that insists it can’t find a requested song even though it is loaded on the device itself.
- Auto-correct that was fighting me to the point I’ve turned it off. I would rather deal with the occasional typo than spend all that time “correcting the correction.”
It doesn't help that the 16 lineup colours are truly horrendous.
They did. Innovation is a new thinner "Air" model where it's a step backwards in features from any prior iPhone models
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- single speaker earpiece
- an in-house Apple modem that lacks mmWave 5G and offers slower cellular data speeds
- smaller battery
- single lens camera
This iPhone Air should help turn around sales
You make it sound like Samsung and others phones are radically different year after year.