iPhone Sales Stall Despite Global Smartphone Market Recovery

[9081094]

I agree that Apple could do so, and at the same time, they don’t need to, and while it may not be to my advantage, I don’t think they should be forced to do so. At least not for free.

It’s why I feel the DoJ lawsuit is nonsense and expect to see it thrown out altogether.

If I were running Apple, I wouldn’t want to spend all that time and resources creating the foundations underpinning the Apple Watch, only to give it away to Samsung for free and watch them undercut my offerings. There is no justification behind this unless you specifically have an axe to grind with Apple.

This is why Apple products have so small market share, but their products are profitable. Their business model is in direct contrast to Google’s, where they gave away Android for free (in exchange for your data). I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect the same of Apple without some other form of remuneration on their end.

Apple gets paid 20 billion dollar each year for making google the default search engine. And you assume Apple is keeping your personal info private but like google they use the same data but encrypt it so it can’t be directly point to you as a person. They don’t handle it differently. It’s a myth that’s kept alive.

Microsoft did get big fines for the same practices Apple is using now. The only reason Microsoft invested money into Apple and kept it alive during the nineties was to not have a total monopoly.

I’m glad the DOJ and the EU are stepping in. A pitty Apple didn’t it out free will.

It’s obvious you don’t understand what opening up the API’s to others mean. Because your arguments are clueless.

 

[I7guy]

Apple gets paid 20 billion dollar each year for making google the default search engine. And you assume Apple is keeping your personal info private but like google they use the same data but encrypt it so it can’t be directly point to you as a person. They don’t handle it differently. It’s a myth that’s kept alive.

Can you tell me how things change if Bing is your default search engine and from EDGE on IOS, you navigate to "google.com"? Then change EDGE to SAFARI.

Microsoft did get big fines for the same practices Apple is using now.

That is incorrect.

The only reason Microsoft invested money into Apple and kept it alive during the nineties was to not have a total monopoly.

Citation needed.

I’m glad the DOJ and the EU are stepping in. A pitty Apple didn’t it out free will.

The DOJ case is probably going nowhere due to all that has been said on these forums thus far.

It’s obvious you don’t understand what opening up the API’s to others mean. Because your arguments are clueless.

Arguments are one of the most reasoned on MR.

 

[9081094]

Can you tell me how things change if Bing is your default search engine and from EDGE on IOS, you navigate to "google.com"? Then change EDGE to SAFARI.

That is incorrect.

Citation needed.

The DOJ case is probably going nowhere due to all that has been said on these forums thus far.

Arguments are one of the most reasoned on MR.

Here is the Microsoft thing:

What ever became of Microsoft's $150 million investment in Apple?

In August of 1997, Apple and Microsoft decided to put the past behind them and focus on the future. At that year's Macworld event, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates announced that the two companies had entered into a historic agreement. In addition to agreeing to a broad patent cross-licensing...

www.engadget.com

Apple was forced to open up their API’s for other browsers to work on iPhone.

Things don’t change using bing or any other search engine. If Apple was really about privacy it should make Duck Duck go make the default search engine. But Timmy prefers the 20 billion dollars.

We will see what the DOJ in the US does. I’ve my high hopes on the EU regulations to make a fair playing field for all 😊

 

[I7guy]

Here is the Microsoft thing:

What ever became of Microsoft's $150 million investment in Apple?

In August of 1997, Apple and Microsoft decided to put the past behind them and focus on the future. At that year's Macworld event, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates announced that the two companies had entered into a historic agreement. In addition to agreeing to a broad patent cross-licensing...

www.engadget.com

Apple was forced to open up their API’s for other browsers to work on iPhone.

Written in 2014 this is more of an op-ed piece than a legal analysis. The word "alleviated" is not a legal term. There was no anti-trust judgement. Apple wasn't forced to do anything. All they did was voluntary.

Things don’t change using bing or any other search engine. If Apple was really about privacy it should make Duck Duck go make the default search engine. But Timmy prefers the 20 billion dollars.

You missed the point completely. It's not about defaults, it is about user selection.

We will see what the DOJ in the US does. I’ve my high hopes on the EU regulations to make a fair playing field for all 😊

I have high hopes the DOJ case goes the way of the dodo.

 

[wbeasley]

Apple gets paid 20 billion dollar each year for making google the default search engine. And you assume Apple is keeping your personal info private but like google they use the same data but encrypt it so it can’t be directly point to you as a person. They don’t handle it differently. It’s a myth that’s kept alive.

Microsoft did get big fines for the same practices Apple is using now. The only reason Microsoft invested money into Apple and kept it alive during the nineties was to not have a total monopoly.

I’m glad the DOJ and the EU are stepping in. A pitty Apple didn’t it out free will.

It’s obvious you don’t understand what opening up the API’s to others mean. Because your arguments are clueless.

Data that doesn't link to you is anonymized data.
That's a league away from Google who then target you with specific ads knowing you will like what they send to you.

Data and APIs are nothing alike. That's basic computer science.

Google paying Apple to be default search is just like products in most supermarkets: many pay to get exposure on eye height shelves because they know it leads to sales which then supports their business.

I love how people who hate government interference are the ones so strong in their support of ... government interference

Customers vote with their wallets.
If they didnt like what Apple does they would buy Android devices instead.
There's multiple choices at similar or cheaper prices.
And yet customers STILL buy Apple... happily.

 

[TallManNY]

3? I used to be a 1 year, then 2, then 3. Now I seriously think I’m a 4 year man.

With no new compelling features why upgrade and pay the Apple tax?

Looking at your sig line and the collection of expensive equipment, it ain't really cost that keeps you from upgrading. Sure it costs to upgrade, but I've got a feeling you won't even really notice the cost. But I'm with you and wondering if four years is on the table. Personally though, I don't think it is. For example, simply phasing out the lightning charging ports amongst the family collection of devices has some value. Or devices having the more accurate "Find my" feature (which would have come in handy for me when I misplaced my XS iPhone).

 

[TallManNY]

by now the 13 should have been losing battery capacity and the XS (!!!) should be long past its Use By date...

lots of people now upgrade every three years. you notice a significant change in that timeframe.

the loudest whingers about the 16 are from 15 users who like their yearly refresh but cant justify it this time around.

the "useless" camera button isnt at all.
i used to use the on screen camera button but now prefer and use the dedicated button.
not tinkered much with manual settings using the touch slider feature but I know it's there if I want to muscle memory it some time...

the touch screen is a bit more dicky in the 16. fails to register some areas every time. hopefully a software fix sometime.

Both the 13Pro and the XS have had their batteries replaced. The XS is used mainly work email because I don't want work email on my personal phone, because I know me and I will check my work email if I have it on my person. So it serves a purpose and it does it fine. For my personal stuff I use the 15Pro.

 

[TallManNY]

Agreed. But it sounds like you and your wife have already hit the three-year mark and are not upgrading. Maybe it’ll be four or five years.

She hit the three year mark on her 13Pro and yep so far we haven't upgraded her. Still somewhat of a debate. For me, personally, pretty much no chance I'm still rocking the 15Pro once 18Pro comes out. But I'm also setting myself up for a trap if I want the 17Pro when it comes out because I can't go from 15 to 17, if she is still sitting at 13. So maybe it goes: 13Pro becomes 17Pro and I wait for 15Pro to become 18Pro. I've still got an "out".

 

[macfacts]

I agree that Apple could do so, and at the same time, they don’t need to, and while it may not be to my advantage, I don’t think they should be forced to do so. At least not for free.

It’s why I feel the DoJ lawsuit is nonsense and expect to see it thrown out altogether.

If I were running Apple, I wouldn’t want to spend all that time and resources creating the foundations underpinning the Apple Watch, only to give it away to Samsung for free and watch them undercut my offerings. There is no justification behind this unless you specifically have an axe to grind with Apple.

This is why Apple products have so small market share, but their products are profitable. Their business model is in direct contrast to Google’s, where they gave away Android for free (in exchange for your data). I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect the same of Apple without some other form of remuneration on their end.

End users are not getting free iPhones. What apple wants to do is illegal in the US

Tying the Sale of Two Products

Offering products together as part of a package can benefit consumers who like the convenience of buying several items at the same time.

www.ftc.gov

 

[Abazigal]

End users are not getting free iPhones. What apple wants to do is illegal in the US

Tying the Sale of Two Products

Offering products together as part of a package can benefit consumers who like the convenience of buying several items at the same time.

www.ftc.gov

I am not seeing the connection in your linked article honestly.

Nothing is stopping the user from getting another brand of smartwatch to use with their iPhone; it's just that the Apple Watch is the most integrated (and therefore the most fully-featured), but again, nothing is going to happen to the customer, nor is Apple pointing a gun to their head and forcing them to buy only the Apple Watch.

 

[wbeasley]

Both the 13Pro and the XS have had their batteries replaced. The XS is used mainly work email because I don't want work email on my personal phone, because I know me and I will check my work email if I have it on my person. So it serves a purpose and it does it fine. For my personal stuff I use the 15Pro.

My 13Pro had great battery when i traded it in.
Either you had a bad battery or ... I dont know. I charge mine daily to 100% and carry it everyone and use it most of the day and it hardly affected the battery capacity.

And XS I can think probably deserved a new battery for the job it does and age.

My 6S still work battery is awful. But geez it's old and can be left on power for media use.
My 10 still works too. But battery not good enough to give to someone or they would need to replace it.
Most of my old tech gets a new home with someone or ends up in "the collection" that goes back to a 3S.
Along with all the iPods. Some of them are still going strong and if only they had bluetooth would be more useful.
But I have enough old audio docks they can be used in... and its a good nostalgia use occasionally

 

[wbeasley]

I am not seeing the connection in your linked article honestly.

Nothing is stopping the user from getting another brand of smartwatch to use with their iPhone; it's just that the Apple Watch is the most integrated (and therefore the most fully-featured), but again, nothing is going to happen to the customer, nor is Apple pointing a gun to their head and forcing them to buy only the Apple Watch.

The Apple Watch still needs an iPhone to setup.
Perhaps that will change but it is fairly integrated.

But noone is forcing any customer to buy an Apple Watch and not another brand. Or a regular watch.
There's no link that way so I agree with your comments.

 

[macfacts]

I have high hopes the DOJ case goes the way of the dodo.

have you read the FTC complaint agaist apple? it accuses apple of selling freemium games and having a 15 minute window where children don't have to enter a password and can use the iphone to buy virtual money with in app purchases.

 

[I7guy]

have you read the FTC complaint agaist apple? it accuses apple of selling freemium games and having a 15 minute window where children don't have to enter a password and can use the iphone to buy virtual money with in app purchases.

The doj still has to win and that is not a foregone conclusion.

 

[Abazigal]

have you read the FTC complaint agaist apple? it accuses apple of selling freemium games and having a 15 minute window where children don't have to enter a password and can use the iphone to buy virtual money with in app purchases.

And your point is…?

 

[macfacts]

And your point is…?

the case against apple is not going the way of the "dodo".

 

[I7guy]

the case against apple is not going the way of the "dodo".

We’ll revisit this in a few years and see who won the lottery game of “predict the outcome of this lawsuit”.

 

[Abazigal]

the case against apple is not going the way of the "dodo".

At this point, I am convinced that everyone and their mother are just filing whatever pet peeve comes to mind against Apple in the hope that at least one sticks. If what you said is true, this is perhaps one of the frivolous lawsuits I have seen leveled against Apple, and that’s saying something.

I can only hope to see this lawsuit being thrown out in 2025, and maybe that’s one good thing to come out of an incoming Trump presidency - that Tim Cook knows how to manage him and not let any personal politics or misgivings get in the way of running an effective business.

 

[The Game 161]

can you list those Android devices with cameras that "blow away" Apple, Samsung and Google cams please?
I'd love to look at comparison reports by photographic experts who can assess them.

vivo 100 ultra
vivo 100 pro
vivo 200 pro
oppo find x7 ultra
oppo find x8 pro
xiaomi 14 ultra

all camera phones with superior hardware and software processing.

 

[wbeasley]

vivo 100 ultra
vivo 100 pro
vivo 200 pro
oppo find x7 ultra
oppo find x8 pro
xiaomi 14 ultra

all camera phones with superior hardware and software processing.

here's a link to a very detailed review of the Xiaomi 14 ultra and compares to iPhone and others...

Xiaomi 14 Ultra Camera test

Discover the impressive camera specs of the Xiaomi Ultra 14, the best Xiaomi phone tested to date in DXOMARK Camera tests. With four 50MP image sensors, variable aperture, HDR modes, and more, it delivers outstanding performance.

www.dxomark.com

didnt best the iPhone

 

[wbeasley]

have you read the FTC complaint agaist apple? it accuses apple of selling freemium games and having a 15 minute window where children don't have to enter a password and can use the iphone to buy virtual money with in app purchases.

its 15 minutes window IF YOU SET IT UP THAT WAY and it's not just aimed at children... anyone who has access to the unlocked phone.

people need to take responsibility for their settings

 

[Abazigal]

its 15 minutes window IF YOU SET IT UP THAT WAY and it's not just aimed at children... anyone who has access to the unlocked phone.

people need to take responsibility for their settings

Complaints like this also make me wonder - if you agree that freemium games are an issue, then how can critics push for third party app stores and sideloading with a clear conscience, knowing that games like Fortnite are probably going to target kids even more aggressively the moment they are no longer subject to App Store rules?

Is the FTC (and @macfacts) actually arguing in favour of even less protection for consumers?

 

[The Game 161]

here's a link to a very detailed review of the Xiaomi 14 ultra and compares to iPhone and others...

Xiaomi 14 Ultra Camera test

Discover the impressive camera specs of the Xiaomi Ultra 14, the best Xiaomi phone tested to date in DXOMARK Camera tests. With four 50MP image sensors, variable aperture, HDR modes, and more, it delivers outstanding performance.

www.dxomark.com

didnt best the iPhone

Dxomark is well known as a not as dependable website ever since they got caught being paid by brands for high scores. Their ratings should not be taken seriously

iPhone is behind all the top Chinese brands and why even though iPhone is my daily I use vivo and oppo as my camera of choice as its far superior camera not just hardware but software processing . Real world usage is what counts. Xiaomi their processing while not as strong as vivo and oppo it’s still incredible hardware

 

[wbeasley]

Dxomark is well known as a not as dependable website ever since they got caught being paid by brands for high scores. Their ratings should not be taken seriously

iPhone is behind all the top Chinese brands and why even though iPhone is my daily I use vivo and oppo as my camera of choice as its far superior camera not just hardware but software processing . Real world usage is what counts. Xiaomi their processing while not as strong as vivo and oppo it’s still incredible hardware

Well when the article was FULL of details... sure people get paid to put a spin on things but there's limits.

We've long known that pixel count isnt the best judge of quality.

As for software, Apple owning all stages of hardware and OS and apps they develop mean they have an edge over Android apps that dont. That's not rocket science.

Are there glitches with Apple apps? Yes. The camera app on 16 Pro Max seems buggy to me currently. Crashes occasionally. Does a few weird things.

But the images it produces are great in almost all cases. A a quick fine tune on an image is quick and easy.

Odd how you now needed to qualify your

Dxomark is well known as a not as dependable website ever since they got caught being paid by brands for high scores. Their ratings should not be taken seriously

iPhone is behind all the top Chinese brands and why even though iPhone is my daily I use vivo and oppo as my camera of choice as its far superior camera not just hardware but software processing . Real world usage is what counts. Xiaomi their processing while not as strong as vivo and oppo it’s still incredible hardware

first answer of phones that are better than Apples with "Xiaomi their processing while not as strong as vivo and oppo it’s still incredible hardware"

You didnt say that initially...

 

[wbeasley]

Dxomark is well known as a not as dependable website ever since they got caught being paid by brands for high scores. Their ratings should not be taken seriously

iPhone is behind all the top Chinese brands and why even though iPhone is my daily I use vivo and oppo as my camera of choice as its far superior camera not just hardware but software processing . Real world usage is what counts. Xiaomi their processing while not as strong as vivo and oppo it’s still incredible hardware

Forbes review of the oppo find x8 pro:

They found much to like. Some images sharper than iPhone 16 Pro.

BUT

"You can click three identical images within two seconds, and the phone will process them differently. Sometimes the images are overexposed; other times, they’re oversaturated or the skin tone is weird. The one purpose of Hasselblad’s presence isn’t being fulfilled, leaving a lot to be desired, especially when you see what it can do when the results are processed correctly."

I suppose Forbes get paid off too and are unreliable...