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I really hope this isn't an iPhone nano. Let's stop that talk now.

I'd guess this is a new model already in development and I'll bet there are a few prototypes in the labs, possibly sharing the same dev code.

This is a good finding, at least we know Apple is hard at work. I just wonder when they'll be finished?
 
Not to damper the mood... or rumors, but I'm pretty sure that other device is the MacBook Air's touch pad.

According to the rumor this stuff was found in the iPhone's OS X, so surely that would discount the MacBook Air due to it running regular full fat Mac OS X.

What with the codename being N82, and the iPod Touch's being N45, while the iPhone's is M68, I'm gonna guess that the "new", if at all true, device is not cellular, and rather a larger Wi-fi based device.

Hmm, a new Wi-Fi based devies that's larger than an iPhone and has multitouch...sounds like the MBA to me :) I'm with you on that being a supported platform.

I really doubt this. A chip is a chip. Not a platform. If you were to add support for three finger scrolling and pinch etc, you would write it into the software. The N82 moniker is something else.

Actually the controller chip in the MBA for the multitouch is the same controller chip in the iPhone and presumably the same as the iPod Touch. So it would appear these codes really do represent the "platform" (i.e. combination of features and hardware) not just the supported chip. Otherwise the code for the iPhone, iPod Touch and MBA would be the same since they have the same chip.
 
According to the rumor this stuff was found in the iPhone's OS X, so surely that would discount the MacBook Air due to it running regular full fat Mac OS X.

The OS on the iPhone shares a lot of the same resources as the Mac OS, so it's not unreasonable to assume that the N82 could have something to do with the MacBook Air.

What with the codename being N82, and the iPod Touch's being N45, while the iPhone's is M68, I'm gonna guess that the "new", if at all true, device is not cellular, and rather a larger Wi-fi based device.

The rather larger Wi-fi based device could well be the MacBook Air.

The simulator, I would have thought, might have something to do with an SDK, and the programming simulation to see how the system works. I would imagine it allows the programmer to simulate a touch by using a mouse click or a tablet.
 
Im getting pretty sick and tired of apple jerking everyone around. The iphone is underperforming software wise to EVERY phone on the market. It just has a great interface.

Get the SDK out already!

How can it be underperforming? It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. Apple didn't promise that it would be the best cell phone ever made. It is what it is, an iPod with a cell phone built in. When you realize that, you'll see it's an excellent device.
 
The OS on the iPhone shares a lot of the same resources as the Mac OS, so it's not unreasonable to assume that the N82 could have something to do with the MacBook Air.

But the Air doesn't use the iPhone OS, so unless the iPhone is mentioned in the same fashion in Mac OS X, then I do not believe that this N82 is the Air.

And by a larger Wi-Fi based product I was meaning more around the 6-9 inch size for a tablet, sort of thing, kinda like a 21st century newton.
 
As far as the SDK being delayed... I think no. It wasn't too long ago that Steve had said to us that at the end of February we'd have our SDK. That was what, 2 and a half weeks ago? Plus, Apple can't afford another software delay. They'd stick every man on this to get it out on time if they had to.

The new device probably isn't iPhone 2, iPhone Nano, or anything like that. I also don't think it's the Air, iMac Touch or anything like that. Since it's in the iPhone's OS X software I bet it's going to be one of two things:
A simulator for running iPhone/iPod Touch apps on your computer or:
Something like a big iPod Touch. Tablet-ish, but not incredibly functional. Mostly focused on ease of use and portability. It could accompany the Apple TV.

I wouldn't be to quick to discount the whole mac book air thing. Perhaps apple will try to make it so writing an application on the iPhone can be done from x-code using something like cocoa and objective C. The whole point of an SDK is to make the phone mare accessable to programers. That is why their are so many xbox360 games. Microsoft made it easy to program for. Probably also why the ps3 has so few.

If writing an iPhone application was as easy as making a cocoa application then the dev Market will flock to it.
 
1. No MMS & No forwarding SMS - without jalibreak
2. No native chat without jailbreak (and they suck)
3. No GPS
4. No themes without jailbreak
5. Phone locked to 1 provider - Lame



Given their track record, Apple will neuter this SDK and not allow devs to do anything good.
1. its called email & every phone has it. its cheaper to have edge/3g than mms and it better
2. Update (hence SDK at the end of the month)
3. Locate Me - drop a pin where your area is and it works almost the same way + GPS just lowers the battery life and remember its a 1G device.
4. It looks ugly and is you get a white background you cant see titles.
5. the iPhone wouldn't exist without a 5yr contract.
:apple:
 
I wouldn't be to quick to discount the whole mac book air thing. Perhaps apple will try to make it so writing an application on the iPhone can be done from x-code using something like cocoa and objective C. The whole point of an SDK is to make the phone mare accessable to programers. That is why their are so many xbox360 games. Microsoft made it easy to program for. Probably also why the ps3 has so few.

If writing an iPhone application was as easy as making a cocoa application then the dev Market will flock to it.
Why would there be stuff for writing Air apps on the iPhone software?

And the 360/PS3 comparison is strange. I've read many many articles that say the PS3 is easier to write for...
 
1. No MMS & No forwarding SMS - without jalibreak
2. No native chat without jailbreak (and they suck)
3. No GPS
4. No themes without jailbreak
5. Phone locked to 1 provider - Lame



Given their track record, Apple will neuter this SDK and not allow devs to do anything good.

And all your criticism means absolutely NOTHING when we see any other mobile phone out there...Apple has simply reinvented the industry with the iPhone...the interface cannot be compared with any crap out there.
 
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Not to damper the mood... or rumors, but I'm pretty sure that other device is the MacBook Air's touch pad.

+1 or didnt they mention something about also [initially wanting to] build wireless broadband into the MBA? i figure they would just use software from the phone for that and the trackpad and call it N82... probably wrong though.
 
1. No MMS & No forwarding SMS - without jalibreak
4. No themes without jailbreak

Oh, haha! For real? Even old school phones – really old school - have themes and forwarding of SMS'es. And even old (in tech-speak) normal phones have MMS. And that very, very expensive one doesn't even have those? Hell, they're standard on any other phone. Even those that really are _basic_ phones.

I don't mean to rant, and it isn't one. I am just really surprised that it is _that_ limited!
 
Ipod "Retro"

Its for the new Ipod called the Ipod "Retro". Apple is bringing it back old school. They already have a new Fiest song picked out. It is being marketed to third world countries and as Steve Jobs says.. "Its like saying to all those less fortunate than us.. Hey we understand, We got you and you what... Its gonna be okay". It will have 5 gigs of hard drive space and a battery life of 8 hours. Its a bit bulky but thats the whole "retro" thing. Its cool to be bulky. I've included a picture. You can tell the person really loves it and they get alot of use out of it listening to podcasts from people like Rush Limbaugh and NPR that they can download off of Itunes. It is truly a marvel of technology and for an extra $100, you can upgrade to dual batteries for extended listening pleasure. i think they are going price them at $399 (US) and $799 (UK). You know how it goes. Its always more expensive over there, but hey its worth it.
 

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nxent said:
from a marketing point of view, companies such as apply try to have tiers in their product line (in terms of functionality). laptops: macbook air, macbook, macbook pro. desktops: mac mini, imac, mac pro. ipods: ipod shuffle, ipod nano, ipod classic. 'touchdevices': ipod touch, iphone, ???.... i think it may be a bit soon, but eventually i think apple will introduce an iphone/pda. not everyone with an iphone wants a pda (and hence, reason for not just 'adding' pda functionality to the iphone), but i'm willing to bet there are a fair number of folks willing to spend a little extra for a hybrid iphone/pda device- i'm one of them.

edit- i think the 'tablet' people speak of will be the pda. a full blown apple tablet won't happen for a while.

what other functionality does a PDA have? iPhones are PDAs too.
 
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what other functionality does a PDA have? iPhones are PDAs too.

Isn't that like saying a PDA is a computer? Technically, you'd be right, but people tend to differentiate for a reason: Function and power.

Edit: on a pda I can edit audio, I can write and edit office-docs and so forth. Further, I can add an external keyboard and a whole slew of hardware. And on most I can add capacity. Many can do usb host too.

There are many other things one can do with a PDA – this for example:

www.luci.eu.
http://www.maycom.nl/NT.html
 
Unlikely that this has anything to do with Macs at all..

I'm with you on that one. N82 is the multi-touch trackpad on the MacBook Air.

Unlikely. The MacBook Air is a different platform (as in different processor technology). Therefore it would not be listed in with iPhone or iPhone touch. Besides, the very limited implementation of touch technology on MacBook Air (which has nothing in common with the iPhone really) was obviously just an extension of existing Mac software gestures such as two finger scrolling..

I can say that with confidence because i own an iPhone and am familiar with its interface, and the obvious: the MacBook Air is NOT a touch-SCREEN device and is known to use ARM processor technology, not Core2 which have completely different code bases. Apple simply added a two-finger resize gesture to the existing trackpad gestures, but that's where the similarities end. Mac OS X already had two-finger gestures for scrolling within windows. They also added a third finger scrolling thing, tap to click (old news), and a finally a data-manipulating rotation gesture (the only truly original addition).
 
Oh, haha! For real? Even old school phones – really old school - have themes and forwarding of SMS'es. And even old (in tech-speak) normal phones have MMS. And that very, very expensive one doesn't even have those? Hell, they're standard on any other phone. Even those that really are _basic_ phones.

I don't mean to rant, and it isn't one. I am just really surprised that it is _that_ limited!

While I don't find themes useful really, as every past phone I've had I only themed just to get rid of the ugly provider defaults (and the iPhones defaults are by no means ugly), let's see: iPhone lets you customize menus, change the log-in screen photo, and set custom ring-tones. Is that not theming in a sense?

As far as forwarding of SMS, I don't recall that being on most of my past phones, but how useful is that? Most people forward things that are too lengthy to be repeated, or things that have attachments. Full sized regular email is free on the iPhone. Pictures can be emailed directly from the iPhone at no charge. Most providers charge to use email and SMS. How is being charged by AT&T to send pictures through the very limited hospices of size and format-limited SMS a great feature that's lacking?

If anything, what's lacking on the iPhone (and I say this from having used one since day one) is the ability to capture and save video. While I wouldn't have cared for it on past phones because their imaging sensors were crappy low res and the phones wouldn't have had the speed to do anything better than 3GPP anyways, the iPhone is fully capable (as we've seen in 3rd party software already) of doing high quality video (and probably has the processor muscle enough to store video in full-resolution MP4 with AAC sound even). Doubtless that is coming...

Apple isn't releasing all the features meant for every new device lately up front, because they've learned an important game of psychological marketing. Apple is metering out some lesser-important features over the product life between major hardware revisions. It provides occasional rewards to its early adopters for buying in early before all the features are in place that they eventually do get new functionality while giving Apple time to work the bugs out on things that may be technically harder to role out in time for an initial product launch.
 
While I don't find themes useful really, as every past phone I've had I only themed just to get rid of the ugly provider defaults (and the iPhones defaults are by no means ugly), let's see: iPhone lets you customize menus, change the log-in screen photo, and set custom ring-tones. Is that not theming in a sense?
Yes, that's a good point. I think I might actually consider that theming, although not in the strictest sense of the word.


As far as forwarding of SMS, I don't recall that being on most of my past phones, but how useful is that?

I don't use it often (then again, I don't write many SMS's), but it's a nice, basic feature.

Most people forward things that are too lengthy to be repeated, or things that have attachments.

I think you're confusing mail with SMS – I have never received an SMS with an attachment.

Full sized regular email is free on the iPhone. Pictures can be emailed directly from the iPhone at no charge. Most providers charge to use email and SMS.
Without going into how dataplans work in each country that have (real) smart phones, I have to say that an MMS is rather different than sending a photo attached. With the MMS you can send it directly to someones phone – even if they don't have a phone with email. The same argument could be used against having SMS's on there too: You can send a mail, which can be much longer, you can attach basically anything etc. Well, yeah, but it's used differently than mail.

How is being charged by AT&T to send pictures through the very limited hospices of size and format-limited SMS a great feature that's lacking?


If anything, what's lacking on the iPhone (and I say this from having used one since day one) is the ability to capture and save video. While I wouldn't have cared for it on past phones because their imaging sensors were crappy low res and the phones wouldn't have had the speed to do anything better than 3GPP anyways, the iPhone is fully capable (as we've seen in 3rd party software already) of doing high quality video (and probably has the processor muscle enough to store video in full-resolution MP4 with AAC sound even). Doubtless that is coming...

Okay, I'm not "in the market" for a phone right now, and certainly not one as the iPhone with the bulk of a 3g, the price of a 3g yet not even close to the features of those. But what I don't understand with this phone, is that there should be no reason to eclude MMS, SMS-forwarding, or, as your wishes goes: To record and save video. Even my SGH-x820 can do that. And it's a nononsense phone, with nothing but the most basics in todays world of "phone gadgets".


Apple isn't releasing all the features meant for every new device lately up front, because they've learned an important game of psychological marketing. Apple is metering out some lesser-important features over the product life between major hardware revisions.

That may be true (I think it is), but they are crippling things way too much so that one might get "added functionality" later on (which, by the looks of how the iTouch apps was handled, will force users to pay to get decent features). We're not talking about "some great features here. We are talking about having crippled the iPhones in areas that ought to basic in product.

I wonder how long it will take before people catch on this: Buy a product that is dearer but can do much much less than the competitor's. Then, if you're lucky, we'll add the features the competitor's already have for a small sum later on. If you're really lucky, you won't even be able to buy them a la carte, we might just come out with a new piece of hardware, you will have to buy to get those basic features. It's a double-sale!!


It provides occasional rewards to its early adopters for buying in early before all the features are in place that they eventually do get new functionality while giving Apple time to work the bugs out on things that may be technically harder to role out in time for an initial product launch.

Yes, let's hope that SDK isn't a crippled one, then. Let's hope it's all what people have been clamouring for.
 
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