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iPhone SE (2016) iPhone SE 2 in 2018?

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I am a HUGE HUGE IPhone SE fan and I will not let it go until Apple completely no longer supports it.
However, I had been stumbling on articles that speculates that Apple will be launching a new version of the SE called SE-2?

http://www.techradar.com/news/iphone-se-2
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/25/iphone-se-plus-concept/

Like I said, I will stick with my current SE until Apple decides that it will not update it anymore. Period.

With that said, does anyone know when Apple will drop support for the iPhone SE models?

Thanks
 
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Thanks, to me the iPhone X is huge and the possibility of its OLED screen of burning in, does not meet my needs of dishing out $1000...

Would rather wait for a new iPhone in similar form factor than the SE.
 
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SE-2 will probably be based on the 7 specs but look similar to the 8 with glass rears for wireless charging.

That's why Apple should stop selling the 7 line. Third parties could still sell the 7 but Apple should minimize their lineup or they will cannabalize each other. It's why I didn't bother getting a 6s when the SE looks better, cheaper, same SoC, and rear camera.

Most carriers stop selling Android flagships within 1-2 years. An SE2 based on 7 is too much overlap. And 4.7" models are pointless when the iPhone X wasn't compromised and retains all the Plus model specs like 3 GB RAM, Telephoto, and long battery life.

Current SE will probably be software updated as long as the 6s. Maybe up to iOS13 (2019) or iOS14 (2020) and be done. Keeping mine on 10.2.1 for life or unless Apple gives us gesture controls in a future update.
 
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ghanwani said:
I would think it would have the processor of the 8, not the 7.

Hoping the rumor about the SE 2 is true. I would get one as I'm noticing my SE is slow since upgrading to iOS 11. It will probably be too slow for iOS 12.
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There are complaints about iOS 11 from people with the 7 and 8 too, so I don't necessarily think it's the SE hardware causing the issue for you. I have the iPhone 6, which has half as much RAM and a weaker chip than the SE. iOS 11.0 was a disaster on my iPhone 6, but the later versions of it are a lot better. I'm currently running 11.2 Beta 2 and it is pretty good.
 
There are no credible rumors of SE2.

In 2018, the iPhone 7 will likely fall to $449, which is the current price of 6s. Apple has no good reason to keep the SE form factor. If they want to introduce an SE2, Apple could cut costs by de-featuring an iPhone 7 by removing 3D Touch.
 
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redfirebird08 said:
There are complaints about iOS 11 from people with the 7 and 8 too, so I don't necessarily think it's the SE hardware causing the issue for you.
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If it’s happening for people with the 8, that’s pretty bad (for them).

Where my phone would go from lock screen to home instantaneously in unlocking it now feels like slow motion. Same goes when opening and closing most apps. Kinda disappointing because I was expecting to see this level of slowdown only after getting to iOS 12.

But if as you say there are improvements coming down the line, that would be awesome. Can’t wait to experience the original speed again.

I played around with a X in the store and it seemed fast. I have no intent to buy that (I prefer a small phone) but that’s what made me think my hardware was showing its age.
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JPack said:
There are no credible rumors of SE2.

In 2018, the iPhone 7 will likely fall to $449, which is the current price of 6s. Apple has no good reason to keep the SE form factor. If they want to introduce an SE2, Apple could cut costs by de-featuring an iPhone 7 by removing 3D Touch.
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The main reason I think the SE 2 makes sense is that they only recently started making the SE in India. My guess is they would want to leverage that investment. They have the chance to make a cheaper phone with up to date hardware that would be more accessible to customers in India (and there is no reason to not export it to the rest of the world).
[doublepost=1510372537][/doublepost]So I’m still optimistic.
 
ghanwani said:
If it’s happening for people with the 8, that’s pretty bad (for them).

Where my phone would go from lock screen to home instantaneously in unlocking it now feels like slow motion. Same goes when opening and closing most apps. Kinda disappointing because I was expecting to see this level of slowdown only after getting to iOS 12.

But if as you say there are improvements coming down the line, that would be awesome. Can’t wait to experience the original speed again.

I played around with a X in the store and it seemed fast. I have no intent to buy that (I prefer a small phone) but that’s what made me think my hardware was showing its age.
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Which version of iOS 11 are you running? Your phone has 100% more RAM than mine and a chip with 70-90% more speed. Unlocking the phone is pretty fast for me and closing apps is not a problem. Have you tried wiping the phone and installing the operating system from scratch?
 
ghanwani said:
I would think it would have the processor of the 8, not the 7.

Hoping the rumor about the SE 2 is true. I would get one as I'm noticing my SE is slow since upgrading to iOS 11. It will probably be too slow for iOS 12.
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My se runs fine with 11.1.1 updated this morning. Planning on giving this to my daughter when my iPhone X arrives.
 
redfirebird08 said:
Which version of iOS 11 are you running? Your phone has 100% more RAM than mine and a chip with 70-90% more speed. Unlocking the phone is pretty fast for me and closing apps is not a problem. Have you tried wiping the phone and installing the operating system from scratch?
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11.1.1. I have not tried doing a clean install.
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anitak1982 said:
My se runs fine with 11.1.1 updated this morning. Planning on giving this to my daughter when my iPhone X arrives.
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When I say slow, I don’t mean it’s not usable. It is very much “fine”. But response time is not instantaneous like it was with iOS 10. There is a definite lag. When you say fine, do you mean it responds instantaneously?
 
ghanwani said:
11.1.1. I have not tried doing a clean install.
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I strongly recommend it. I had to do this with 11.0 and it helped quite a bit. My original installation of 11.0 was a disaster, haha. That one was just a regular update from 9.3.5 (should have stuck with 9!). The later updates after I did the clean installation of 11.0 made a big difference. 11.01, 11.03, 11.1, 11.2, etc...all of them have been running a lot better for me after I did the 11.0 clean install.
 
ghanwani said:
11.1.1. I have not tried doing a clean install.
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When I say slow, I don’t mean it’s not usable. It is very much “fine”. But response time is not instantaneous like it was with iOS 10. There is a definite lag. When you say fine, do you mean it responds instantaneously?
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I do not see any lag. Mine is the same and I like it better. Especially the control center. I do fine the battery runs down but from the control center I put the low battery option and run it mostly on and I never see anything not working right.
 
ghanwani said:
The main reason I think the SE 2 makes sense is that they only recently started making the SE in India. My guess is they would want to leverage that investment. They have the chance to make a cheaper phone with up to date hardware that would be more accessible to customers in India (and there is no reason to not export it to the rest of the world).
[doublepost=1510372537][/doublepost]So I’m still optimistic.
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iPhone SE was launched in March 2016 to fill a gap in the lower levels of Apple's product stack, as shown below.

$399 | SE
$549 | 6
$649 | 6 Plus
$649 | 6s
$749 | 6s Plus

Today, that price gap no longer exists. In 2018, Apple can simply kill the SE and replace it with the 6s in the $349 slot. Apple can move the tooling and know-how of 6s to India. The 4" form factor is no longer competitive. The 4.7" form factor now in its 4th year of production, is likely very cheap, approaching the cost of 4".

$349 | SE
$449 | 6s
$549 | 6s Plus
$549 | 7
$669 | 7 Plus
$699 | 8
$799 | 8 Plus
$999 | X
 
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JPack said:
iPhone SE was launched in March 2016 to fill a gap in the lower levels of Apple's product stack, as shown below.

$399 | SE
$549 | 6
$649 | 6 Plus
$649 | 6s
$749 | 6s Plus

Today, that price gap no longer exists. In 2018, Apple can simply kill the SE and replace it with the 6s in the $349 slot. Apple can move the tooling and know-how of 6s to India. The 4" form factor is no longer competitive. The 4.7" form factor now in its 4th year of production, is likely very cheap, approaching the cost of 4".

$349 | SE
$449 | 6s
$549 | 6s Plus
$549 | 7
$669 | 7 Plus
$699 | 8
$799 | 8 Plus
$999 | X
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They will be able to sell the SE for as much or more than the 6s if it comes with updated internals. The 6s will be slow and redundant given they have the 7 around which is virtually identical.
 
ghanwani said:
They will be able to sell the SE for as much or more than the 6s if it comes with updated internals. The 6s will be slow and redundant given they have the 7 around which is virtually identical.
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I would ask, does the SE need updated internals and a higher price? If you look at comparison videos, the SE loads apps and web pages just 0.5 or 1 second slower than iPhone X.

Xiaomi sells in China and India a 5" phone for under $100. Let's pretend SE2 sells for $399. In that price segment, I really don't think enough consumers will opt for a SE2. If the 4" form factor was so attractive, Android manufacturers would be all over it.
 
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iphonefreak450 said:
Again, when will the iPhone SE 2 be released?
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Do you really believe somebody inside of a tech forum would have a reasonable answer for you when the 'iPhone SE 2'might be released? There is zero evidence and no indication that the iPhone SE will be updated at all, if ever. There was one rumor back in spring and that was debunked being false about a rendered photo of an outer casing.
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iphonefreak450 said:
Thanks, to me the iPhone X is huge and the possibility of its OLED screen of burning in, does not meet my needs of dishing out $1000...

Would rather wait for a new iPhone in similar form factor than the SE.
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Apple is one of the only manufacturers that even offers a 4 inch smart phone form factor, which actually is affordable enough to be considered in India's commerce. The majority of iPhone users do not use the iPhone SE, because of the smaller, outdated dislay and size. This phone was never intended to be a regularly updated phone from Apple, Being it likely was a one time offering.
 
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There isn’t a single leak about a new model SE.

Anything said will be baseless speculation.
 
JPack said:
There are no credible rumors of SE2.

In 2018, the iPhone 7 will likely fall to $449, which is the current price of 6s. Apple has no good reason to keep the SE form factor. If they want to introduce an SE2, Apple could cut costs by de-featuring an iPhone 7 by removing 3D Touch.
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I disagree, I think Apple absolutely has good reasons to keep the SE form factor - most of all for the small size. I could have bought an iPhone 7 or 8 already if I wanted iPhone 7/8 specs and didn't care about the form factor.

The fact I like most other aspects of the form factor better too is a bonus.

Headphone socket. Rectangular display. No notch. A Home button. Flat sides. Power button on the top. Reasonable, useful, aesthetically balanced bezels. All those things are, IMHO, superior design choices to what has come afterwards.

I for one hope they keep exactly the same form factor and just update the internals for an SE2, if they ever do make one.
 
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KONVICTED said:
After using bigger display there's no way I can even look at 4 inch display, Just curious which phone are you using now.
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Until a few months ago when I was issued with one for work (a Samsung), I had never used a smart phone. My ordinary phone is an antique Nokia, a 3510, but I must say that my favourite phones where those lovely little clam-phones.

Even before taking up my current position, I had been thinking of a smart phone, but one where I rule it, not vice versa.

Personally, I don't care for massive monsters, and nor do I feel the need to be answerable to online approaches every minute of the day; standard email on my 11" MBA is quite sufficient.
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Porco said:
I disagree, I think Apple absolutely has good reasons to keep the SE form factor - most of all for the small size. I could have bought an iPhone 7 or 8 already if I wanted iPhone 7/8 specs and didn't care about the form factor.

The fact I like most other aspects of the form factor better too is a bonus.

Headphone socket. Rectangular display. No notch. A Home button. Flat sides. Power button on the top. Reasonable, useful, aesthetically balanced bezels. All those things are, IMHO, superior design choices to what has come afterwards.

I for one hope they keep exactly the same form factor and just update the internals for an SE2, if they ever do make one.
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Agree completely.
 
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