I still stand by the idea that Apple released the 12 mini at the worst time possible for people who wanted it - less than 6 months after the 2020 SE came out. By then, people that wanted a smaller phone went with the SE, and then the mini came out and they just got a new phone, so why would they buy another one that quickly? Then the 13 mini was only one year later, and by the time people with a 2nd gen SE wanted to upgrade, it was gone.
Just...get an iPad.
And when Apple pivoted and went up in size with the "Plus" versions, how did that turn out?
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I refuse to get iPad. I only use phones or computer. iPad is useless to me. It is too small and OS is too restrictive to be a computer.
I refuse to get iPad. I only use phones or computer. iPad is useless to me. It is too small and OS is too restrictive to be a computer.
To me it sounds like they’re adapting the concept of Samsung’s “FE” naming.As I said in another post it at least makes sense from a naming perspective as Apple has been moving away from the "generation" naming, so I'd expect some sort of numbers in the name. Both iPhone SE 4 or 16E would make sense in that regard.
It made sense for the first one, which was really a special edition.se was always a dumb name
Then you should be able to understand why many (most) of us don't want a 7+" phone. The OS is too restrictive, the size is uncomfortable, and it not a desktop or laptop so it shouldn't try to be.
It's a phone, that can text and email and take photos, use maps, and load an occasional website. That's all.
or maybe E like “economic”?What would the “E” stand for though?
The “SE” stands for Special Edition. (Although I don’t think it’s ever been marketed as “Special Edition”, that’s at least been confirmed by Apple execs.)
So… would the “E” just stand for “Edition”? The “iPhone 16 Edition”?
Maybe it would stand for “Entry”? (As in an entry model.)
E = economyFor some reason it sounds like a cheap phone. Even SE feels more premium
No I don't. Small phone has its natural disadvantage:
1) The keyboard is way too cramped, even on iPhone mini.
2) Webpage is too small to look at and it is bad for eyes.
3) Battery life is terrible.
4) Small iPhone won't be cheap. This will hurt the sale.
Trust me, large majority of people don't want small phone. I know a person who owns a phone repair store. He refurbishes phones to sell. He also have partnership with local carriers to carry new phones.
He has three iPhone 13 mini sitting on inventory for half years and nobody is buying.
Most phone manufactures making phones for the messes and messes want large phone. There just aren't enough people want small phone.
I don't like iPad, exactly because 12.9" iPad is still to small for a computing devices. The 15 inch MacBook Pro I have is hooked up with monitor at home, which is stationary most of time. I carry iPhone 14 Pro max and 13 inch MacBook Pro with me if I am travel and I can tell you I hate 13 inch screen.
Well sure, but then I don't know why you want the iPhone to be bigger, by that logic. That's an iPad.
I agree with you though about the iPad Mini getting phone functionality, they might as well. But then where do you draw the line between iPhone and iPad? Should a line even be drawn?
Sure. Mid-size phone is bigger than mini iPhone.Personally I like a small to midsize phone and a large Mac and external display. Might as well play to each ones' strengths.
I didn't say I needed a mini, but I don't want larger than my pro, and I absolutely do not ever want, under any circumstances, a 7+" phone. I just don't, and refuse to carry one. I'm an extremely active person, and I don't want the size, weight, or annoyance in my pocket.
I get 2-3 days of battery life with my 16 pro.
It’s a pity that Apple doesn’t sell walls.If this is true then it would seem they should change the name of the SE watch as well.
I think Apple wants people to buy it.Regardless of what it is called it is going in the wrong direction. It needs to be smaller, not bigger.
To me if they called it an iPhone 16E, the E would stand for economy… 😉What would the “E” stand for though?
The “SE” stands for Special Edition. (Although I don’t think it’s ever been marketed as “Special Edition”, that’s at least been confirmed by Apple execs.)
So… would the “E” just stand for “Edition”? The “iPhone 16 Edition”?
Maybe it would stand for “Entry”? (As in an entry model.)
Again. You already have been proved wrong: iPhone Mini were a commercial disaster and discontinued in just two years.Regardless of what it is called it is going in the wrong direction. It needs to be smaller, not bigger.
You are on the other extreme: 7.2 inches are way too much for a phone.I respectfully disagree. I want iPhone go bigger.
Regular iPhone should be Pro Max size, Pro Max needs to be at least 7.2 inch. iPhone Pro Ultra should be 7.5 inch and iPad mini need to gain phone functionality
That’s completely unrelated. The problem for the Plus version is the price: too close to the Pro. iPhone 14 and 15 Plus were also underwhelming, specs wise. For iPhone 16 Plus probably the situation is better (but the wrong price point is still there).And when Apple pivoted and went up in size with the "Plus" versions, how did that turn out?
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That’s maybe the one thing that makes sense for this naming scheme. It’s a lot easier to say iPhone 16-something and up (and iPhone 15 pro, but they don’t sell that anymore), plus M1 Macs and iPads. Squeezing in iPhone SE (4th generation but you won’t see that outside of the fine print) would make it more confusing for exactly the segment they sell the low end one to.I could see that being the new name. The "SE" tag has meant the cheapest Apple device tier since inception, so by changing the name, they can more easily justify the higher price tag. Plus, it makes it easier for customers to identify its Apple Intelligence capabilities, since any iPhone 16 can handle them.
But it’s not an entry level phone. It has a better processor and more RAM than the iPhone 15, and all you really lose is the ultrawide camera (just like the Air will when it replaces the plus). I don’t know how many times I’ve pointed this out on various sites, but $499 has never made sense. We should be expecting this to be the cheapest iPhone with AI, not the cheapest iPhone (until all iPhones include AI support).No way will it be called 16E. Since it’s the entry level phone that sticks around for years adding a number to the name makes no sense.