iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Launch Early Next Year With OLED Display, 48MP Camera, and More

[jz0309]

I'm not saying it's what I want or what anyone should want.

But Apple doesn't get rewarded by catering to demographics that don't meet a certain size.

Apple is as mainstream as it gets and caters to the mainstream consumer by creating what it thinks is a line-up of smartphones that most consumers would find attractive enough to buy. And by "thinks" I mean looks at consumer trend reports and its own sales numbers that tell it which of its models are a hit and which are a miss.

But regardless of how I phrase it, the sales figures for 12 mini and 13 mini are there for you to look up and they all tell the same story.

The mini didn't sell enough to warrant r&d for the next iteration.

No business is spending r&d and setting up production for creating a product that sells a fraction of what another type of product sells. What's not to understand?

Apple could also put out a display-less, Siri-only iPhone at $99 to sell to the niche of 300 people that want that. But why would they, when you consider how much it would cost in r&d to create a product like that, something that next to nobody wants?

Y'all are all deliberately obtuse and emotional about the mini. The value/$ is terrible for the mini when sold next to something that's 20-40% larger and just costs $100-$300 more.

mini would only ever sell well if Apple killed all >5.4" iPhones. It would only succeed in a vacuum without the 6.1" and larger models.

Phablets and social media killed the pocketable smartphone. Nobody is "upgrading" to a new smartphone with smaller battery and display than their current/old smartphone.

Yup, well put.
My wife has a 13mini, and I have a 13PM, I can’t imagine using hers, she doesn’t want to use mine, but, the sales figures have shown that larger phones/screens are what people want/buy

 

[winxmac]

I guess I'm only one of the few who prefer the polycarbonate body with a steel frame of iPhone 5c compared to the aluminum body of iPhone 5/5s/SE 2016

I wish Apple would release something similar in the future as another version of SE... I have not seen or handled an iPhone 13 mini in person but after purchasing a pre-owned iPhone 5c last week, I really think that the 4" display 16:9 aspect ratio is the true one handed device...

I traded my iPhone 14 Pro Max for an iPhone 13 Pro thinking that it was too big for me [and heavy] although I will be missing out on the bigger battery but now that I am reliving the experience of owning a 4" display iPhone, I am again thinking that the 6.1" display ~19.5:9 aspect ratio is too big...

Apple should release the next SE in 2028 [after the 2025 release] then go back to releasing every 4 years...

 

[Dc2006ster]

I have a 2020 SE that was affordable and is a good size for me. The 6.1 inch display sounds much larger than my present 4.7 inch and could be a deterrent to purchase but the overall size need not be any larger. A significant part of the front area of my SE is Home button , speaker and camera. In fact for that reason, the 13 mini has a larger display but is physically smaller. So, if the overall size stays about the same and the price is affordable, I will be interested.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I still think the right move for the SE line is to be a smaller phone that Apple sells for 3 years. Perhaps with a slightly older design for ~$500. I thought for a while the SE3 could have been a test to see if it's viable, but with such an older design I wonder how the SE3 has sold to date.

Why can't we get an SE Mini?

Our needs are "make something small that gets a few years of latest iOS support"
...and that's about it..

 

[ghanwani]

Ain't happening. Don't fall for it.

 

[eatrains]

A 6.06 inch iPhone SE 4 wouldn't be that much bigger than the current SE.

iPhone SE (4.7 inch screen) vs iPhone X (5.8 inch screen) vs iPhone 15 (6.1 inch screen)

iPhone SE:
Height 5.45 inches (138.4 mm)
Width 2.65 inches (67.3 mm)
Depth 0.29 inch (7.3 mm)

iPhone X
Height 5.65 inches (143.6 mm)
Width 2.79 inches (70.9 mm)
Depth 0.30 inch (7.7 mm)

iPhone 15
Height 5.81 inches (147.6 mm)
Width 2.82 inches (71.6 mm)
Depth 0.31 inch (7.80 mm)


Compared to the iPhone 15, the SE is 0.36 inches (9.2mm) taller and 0.17 inches (4.3mm) wider. Not that much of an increase.

I'd imagine the iPhone SE 4 would be no bigger (probably slightly smaller) than the iPhone 15. Just because the display size increases by 1.36 inches (from 4.7 inches to 6.06 inches) doesn't mean the body of the phone itself will increase by the same amount.

The SE is already relatively big, so anything bigger is the wrong direction.

Plus, device size is not the same thing as screen size. A 6.1" screen is much bigger and much more cumbersome, especially since so many functions (especially Notification and Control Centers) would now be at the top of the screen.

 

[Paddle1]

That's good ... since they explicitly said it in a press release!
lol. I'd be worried if you were denying it

The thing is Apple may not want to market something as a "cheap" version even if that's its purpose in the lineup. With the current SE they do specifically highlight the price.

 

[0423MAC]

Why can't we get an SE Mini?

Our needs are "make something small that gets a few years of latest iOS support"
...and that's about it..

I don't think it needs to be called mini. The SE line has been around for 8 years and since its introduction has had smaller screens than the rest of the iPhone lineup as a result of it always having the older design. Mini could also be interpreted as 'budget' or inferior in the eyes of consumers as well considering what the Mac mini has been in the apple ecosystem.

I hope all these rumors and leaks are fake and we get a refreshed small phone.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don't think it needs to be called mini. The SE line has been around for 8 years and since its introduction has had smaller screens than the rest of the iPhone lineup as a result of it always having the older design. Mini could also be interpreted as 'budget' or inferior in the eyes of consumers as well considering what the Mac mini has been in the apple ecosystem.

I hope all these rumors and leaks are fake and we get a refreshed small phone.

They could call it "iPhone POS" for all I care

I just need something 13 Mini sized (or smaller ... even better)

 

[Stug47]

Congrats it is just another iPhone now.

I really think you have missed the mark with the SE if this is true.
Make a model with touch ID, refresh the hardware once every 2-3 years, keep a high quality but cheaper LED screen that’s under 5". It’s a budget phone, yes, but it’s also the outlier for people like me that want a phone first and foremost.

I have had an iPhone for 17 years and this change will probably make the SE2022 my last upgrade.

 

[GeneralChang]

Holiday's 2025... You'll be able to get the SE 4 for half off or less from an MVNO in the U.S. as has been the case for each iPhone SE for at least the past 6 consecutive Holidays.

Hopefully, the FCC pushs through with the requirement that all carriers have to unlock phones after 60 days. That would make it easier to take advantage of the carrier-specific holiday deals. Just keep the phone with the not-your-current-carrier carrier and then after 60 days, it unlocks and you can transfer it to your current wireless carrier.

FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days | TechCrunch

Specifically, according to the FCC, carriers would simply have to provide unlocking services 60 days after activation.

techcrunch.com

The same sales may very well make the (likely feature identical) 15 drop even lower in price given the 17 would be out by then. Also I'm still sitting on a 13 so I'd prefer not to wait till the end of next year. Also also I only buy phones unlocked and will continue that trend until such a time as that (or similar) FCC action has been implemented and tested. All together I'm not sure this is the hack you seem to think it is. At least, not for my use case.

 

[Nic727]

Way too big for me. Will wait another year until Apple decide to release a new mini at 5.4 inch.

Btw, am I the only one who prefer Touch ID?

 

[turbineseaplane]

The 2025 iPhone lineup
(shown in Ash Gold)

 

[Paddle1]

Holiday's 2025... You'll be able to get the SE 4 for half off or less from an MVNO in the U.S. as has been the case for each iPhone SE for at least the past 6 consecutive Holidays.

Hopefully, the FCC pushs through with the requirement that all carriers have to unlock phones after 60 days. That would make it easier to take advantage of the carrier-specific holiday deals. Just keep the phone with the not-your-current-carrier carrier and then after 60 days, it unlocks and you can transfer it to your current wireless carrier.

FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days | TechCrunch

Specifically, according to the FCC, carriers would simply have to provide unlocking services 60 days after activation.

techcrunch.com

I'm curious what the incentive is to lock them at all? Locking phones has been banned in Canada for years.

 

[ksec]

I think it’s a mistake not keeping the $429 price. I would honestly prefer that they use the iPhone 13 mini as the base for the new SE if it means they can keep the price the same as the older models.

Well I believe in 2026 there is a chance for iPhone SE mini at $449.

 

[ksec]

With an A18 iPhone SE with USB-C , I just dont see any reason to buy iPhone 14 - iPhone 16 unless you want better camera.

 

[subjonas]

As previously rumored, the fourth-generation iPhone SE is expected to feature Face ID and USB-C, marking a major upgrade from current and previous models that have all featured a Touch ID Home button and a Lightning port.

Major sidegrade (including the size increase) because the changes have trade offs. But overall they probably benefit more people than not.

 

[eliteoOSX27]

I shall buy

 

[subjonas]

I switched to SEs a long time ago purely for the smaller size. If SE has little to no more smaller size advantage, I’ll be moving back to flagship. Would this be an intended consequence by Apple I wonder, or am I just a weird outlier? 🤔

 

[macbookj0e]

So a third option with the same sized screen? Great thanks Apple.

 

[Bacasable]

The fourth-generation iPhone SE will offer a series of major upgrades over the current model, the leaker known as "Ice Universe" claims.

The information was listed in a post on Weibo, which also detailed the specifications of the iPhone 17 lineup. As previously rumored, the fourth-generation iPhone SE is expected to feature Face ID and USB-C, marking a major upgrade from current and previous models that have all featured a Touch ID Home button and a Lightning port.

The device's display will apparently grow in size from 4.7 inches to 6.06 inches and feature an OLED panel for the first time. The new iPhone SE is also expected to tout an A18 chip like the iPhone 16 lineup, 6GB to 8GB of LPDDR5 memory, an aluminum chassis, and a single rear 48-megapixel camera. The fourth-generation iPhone SE will apparently launch between March and May of 2025 with a price point of $499 to $549. The current model launched in March 2022 for $429.

Article Link: iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Launch Early Next Year With OLED Display, 48MP Camera, and More

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[JoeShades]

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Just Download the pic..nevermind I think I misunderstood what you wanted

 

[0423MAC]

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Might be larger renders, but I pulled this up

 

[gk_brown]

There will be little reason for most people to buy the regular iPhone over that.

which is exactly why it won't happen

 

[Biro]

I'm sorry iPhone Mini fans. I don't mean to flame you but you're not getting a new Mini anytime soon. I feel your pain. For me, the iPhone Plus is perfect but it's going away after next year. But you are not getting a new Mini anytime soon. So please stop whining and hijacking every thread and turning into All About Mini. Perhaps others should start flagging your posts.