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Unless Apple seriously drop the ball on software optimisation, there's no reason it shouldn't run iOS 13 smoothly.

With the exception of iOS 12, Apple has consistently worsened the performance of older devices. Perhaps I'm pessimistic, but I suspect the only reason this didn't continue with iOS 12 was because of the "battery-gate" PR disaster -- Apple needed to drum up good will, and fast. IMO, this concern is 100% valid.
 
No one said the demand ‘was high’ either way, the point that was brought up, is it seems Apple is underestimating the category for those appreciate smaller devices, similarly to how the iPad mini has not been revived either. These smaller devices easily have a place in Apples product line, and the SE is just one example of that.

I don't know about that. They are "selling out" itsy bitsy little batches of a phone for a very low price. This is more akin to a garage sale than something that looks like it has a sustainable promising future.
 
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Always puzzled by people who have to jump in on these threads just to trash the iPhone SE.

Why?
You'd think they'd be happy Apple are selling more units… no?

Or is this some teenage male thing? Big, Bigger, **** Yeah Bestest!

Very well said, (and beautifully expressed); the exact same thought crossed my mind.

Some of us like the smaller (and more elegant) form factor; personally, I love the iPhone SE - it fits nicely in a pocket, and can be used with one hand - and loathe those monstrosities that are currently fashionable.
 
At this point, the size of that screen is comical. I get the impression that people want the physical phone size, but the larger screen size. So, an iPhone SE of those dimensions, but with a full-face screen (pun intended) would be hard to keep on the shelves.
 
I don't know about that. They are "selling out" itsy bitsy little batches of a phone for a very low price. This is more akin to a garage sale than something that looks like it has a sustainable promising future.

Apple is completely unpredictable, you have no idea what they will and won’t do in the future. But if you read the previous posts, this is very ‘Un-Apple’ like when they are releasing these iPhone SE clearance updates for three separate times now. Could it be anything meaningful? Maybe. Either way, Apple moves in mysterious ways, and we can’t rule out either that we don’t know what they are testing.
 
Lol, Tim is determined to make up for all those lost sales of the high-end models. Make that $$$, Tim!
 
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I doubt Apple is gauging demand with this but it would be great if they are. One can only hope. I see SO many people daily with iPhones 4-8. Tons more than X, XR, XS. Downtown Chicago, all walks of life. Most of these people will want to upgrade in the next year or two. Apple would be very foolish to not release an updated small to mid size / mid spec phone option for $400-$600 price and market the hell out of it. Google and Samsung are already catching on (M10, M20, Pixel Lite). Not to mention OnePlus gaining serious steam. I'm resisting snagging an SE for beach / outdoor / vacation backup duty. Form factor is so perfect for when on the go and active.
 
At this point, the size of that screen is comical. I get the impression that people want the physical phone size, but the larger screen size. So, an iPhone SE of those dimensions, but with a full-face screen (pun intended) would be hard to keep on the shelves.

No, it is not "comical"; actually, perhaps surprisingly, bigger is not always better, and some of us find it - the iPhone SE - just perfect for our needs.

It is a lovely, portable, reliable, phone with a terrific battery life.
 
If the SE had 3D Touch I would easily consider it as Apple’s best phone.

Either way, it’s an incredibly fast and reliable phone, at a perfect size and great price.


Personally not overly interested in 3D Touch, however, if it's important to others then by all means add it in. I like my SE mainly because I prefer wired headphones.

Now before someone chimes in with their comments of "wireless is the future", having a headphone jack doesn't preclude wire-free use cases. It also doesn't negatively impact IP certification. What it does is offer (GASP) a choice to use a better sounding audio option that doesn't require charging another battery.

Choice is good. Schiller's "courage" comment was anything but. That move only served to sell accessories - nothing wrong with that, just don't insult your customers by veiling it the way he did.
 
At this point, the size of that screen is comical. I get the impression that people want the physical phone size, but the larger screen size. So, an iPhone SE of those dimensions, but with a full-face screen (pun intended) would be hard to keep on the shelves.

It truly depends on how you use your device. If you live through it, want to keep it in your face 6-8 hours a day, can't keep it in your pocket for more than 10 minutes at a time -- then yeah, you will benefit from a larger screen. At that point, it's your lens to the world and you might as well make it a big, immersive (and addictive) one. I think you find it "comical" because phones that were recently considerd grotesquely large have become the norm (more addictive, more expensive, more easily dropped -- anybody surprised manufacturers have pushed it in this direction?)

If you take your phone out, use it for a specific function or two, and then put it away? The screen size of the SE is absolutely fine. Maps are legible, email is legible, the keyboard works. It enough space to scroll through however much text you want to read. And you're holding a device that comfortably fits in the pocket and the hand, and never requires you to stretch to reach the topmost portions of the screen.

If you're looking for a clue that iPhones have gotten too big for one-handed operation, look no further than the "reachability" feature which had to be grafted on. There were human factors reasons the original iPhone was the size it was, and even the iPhone 5 was a departure from that.

As an aside, I wonder how much more Apple started to earn from dropped phones once they started getting to the size they are now...
 
I don't know about that. They are "selling out" itsy bitsy little batches of a phone for a very low price. This is more akin to a garage sale than something that looks like it has a sustainable promising future.

I wouldn't say this is a "very low price" considering it's got a processor several years old. That price would be "very low" for an SE 2 with the processor from the X or XS, but they would be robbing people at the original price for a phone this old.

I'm priced out of the new phones now that they're $750+, but I don't want to buy a cheaper one that will be slow in a year or two. Apple needs to make an SE 2 that has modern tech (not top of the line) and sells for a reasonable price.
 
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launch SE2 with X internals. I don't even need big screen (I have iPhone 6). Make it waterproof like other phones and I'll buy it straight away. Fed up with these inflated prices and huge phones.
 
How long before an upcoming iOS version won't be compatible with the aging A9 chip? I don't see much life left in these, in the long run...

Given that the iPad Mini is still being sold currently with the A8, I don't think there's any imminent danger here. Apple also just started manufacturing the 6S in India last year, and that has the same chip as the SE.
 
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I wouldn't say this is a "very low price" considering it's got a processor several years old. That price would be "very low" for an SE 2 with the processor from the X or XS, but they would be robbing people at the original price for a phone this old.

I'm priced out of the new phones now that they're $750+, but I don't want to buy a cheaper one that will be slow in a year or two. Apple needs to make an SE 2 that has modern tech (not top of the line) and sells for a reasonable price.

For the price of a maxed out iPhone XS Max, you could buy a family of four all iPhone SE models, and take a vacation with the left over money.
 
Make it waterproof like other phones and I'll buy it straight away.

The ‘other’ phones that you’re referring to, are water resistant rated, not waterproof. I know I’m being a bit technical, but huge difference. Anyways, I was never one that really needed a water resistant rating for a phone when I did own the SE, I never bring my phone around water as it is, but that’s just me personally.
 
Based on what? The phone has much better single-core performance than the Galaxy S8.

It's still an extremely capable device, regardless of its age. Unless Apple seriously drop the ball on software optimisation, there's no reason it shouldn't run iOS 13 smoothly.

We're expecting a radical overhaul of the home screen with iOS 13. This is likely going to have serious performance implications for older devices, and of course Apple will focus the design efforts on targeting the bigger screen devices.
 
I will keep the SE until the bitter end if apple doesn't make a new phone with a reasonable size. (4inch - 4,7inch without big bezels)

I used to upgrade my iPhone every two years. Then I got the 6 but after the SE came out I switched immediately back to 4inches due to the form factor. It holds up well and I still love it.
 
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