iPhone SE officially a flop

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  1. gadget123 macrumors 68000

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    Looks like it might do worse than the 5C. What next for Apple? They have filled the market with too many products like Samsung.

    Apple Watch has not been a major seller. SE in an old case was a bad idea. The iPod line is finished.

    I believe IPhone sales will do well for some years yet however I fear for iPad sales.

    Apple seem to be holding features off smaller phones or tablets or the IPad Pro larger one with older cameras than the new one.

    Seems Apple are stuck for ideas right now. I know some will say the SE is great for them but let's be honest it's going to flop and if it sells less than the 5S today then it's definitely flopped.
     
  2. chrfr macrumors 603

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    Documentation, please.
     
  3. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    That's ok.

    Apple's flops are record setting sales for the other manufacturers.
     
  4. barnesy99 macrumors member

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    You're making this judgement after 5 days of sales!? I want the SE but it's sold out at every Apple store here in the UK.

    Maybe best to give it a few months before deciding it's a flop......
     
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  6. AliMacs macrumors 6502

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    Cue Apple apologists, defenders, and fan girls in 3...2...1...

    Jokes aside, it's a phone no one asked for and Apple again delivered. Features we beg for, Apple taketh away.
     
  7. eyoungren macrumors P6

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  8. IndianBird macrumors 6502a

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    I still like mine.
     
  9. kch50428 macrumors 6502

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    Their favorite Android blog said so...
     
  10. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    The se isn't designed to be a wow item merely a gap filler. Did it sell well? Well it did in the uk there like rocking horse **** over here.
     
  11. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    There is a reason jailbreaking is still around.

    Emphasis mine in quoting you.
     
  12. AliMacs macrumors 6502

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    Jailbreak for iOS 9.3? Link please...
     
  13. IndianBird macrumors 6502a

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    I can't think of anything aside from tethering cheat that I used to get from Jailbreaking that I don't have now.

    What am I missing?
     
  14. Newtons Apple macrumors Pentium

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    A flop? Looking at you past started posts = LOL!

    I guess all can have a opinion but I was at the local Apple store this am at 10am and there was a line of about 10 people wanting to get the SE. I live is a smaller city.

    For flopping, my AAPL stock is UP $1.70 today!
     
  15. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    There is no current jailbreak for 9.3. The last one available is for 9.1.

    When I mentioned that, I meant in general. Apple still has not killed jailbreaking because they still don't allow people to customize their phones the way they wish.
     
  16. 4ndr3w macrumors regular

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    Grateful you shared you fear that iPad sales will be dropping with us. Also it's a small "i" in the product names.

    /s
     
  17. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    IDK. I like to customize my phone and make it function/behave in the way I wish it to, not necessarily the way Apple wants/designed it to.

    I have 163 tweaks/apps installed.
     
  18. AliMacs macrumors 6502

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    Jail breaking is not relevant anymore - even on android rooting is just as bad; you root you lose Samsung pay, android pay. Not a good compromise even though there is a workaround for this but doesn't work on all devices.

    On iOS jail breaking isn't worth it when you can just switch over to android to get the same features standard. Apple also doesn't control jailbreaking. They don't support it, however, but they can't kill their own security holes fast enough.
     
  19. Armen macrumors 604

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    33% of current iPhone users don't want to upgrade their iPhones because the smaller phone is more convenient for them. The iPhone SE is a great solution for these users.

    The $400 price point will also target those who are on the fence about what handset to buy who have a budget. (I expect Android users to jump ship that were looking for a phone around this price range that don't mind the smaller screen).

    Apple doesn't just try random things. They do research/analysis first.
     
  20. mildocjr, Apr 4, 2016
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    Well in the grand scheme of things, it's not just about America, UK, or India, the iPhone SE was directed specifically towards the Chinese market and other countries with a poor population. It's not about charging the most for a cutting edge device, it's about pushing volume and gaining money from overall sales.

    For the sake of the argument using fake numbers:
    Lets say you make lemonade using real lemons and you have to sell them at 50 cents to generate a profit. Not many people are willing to buy a small cup of lemonade at 50 cents and you end up making $3 profit your first day. So you go back to the drawing board and figure out that if you use lemon flavoring, you can generate a profit at 10 cents a cup for near the same product. You start selling this and find out a lot more people will buy it and you end up making $5 profit the second day. Well when you have a 1.36 billion people living in a country and most are too poor to afford your "real lemon" lemonade, you adjust to the "lemon flavored" lemonade to generate income from that 1.36 billion person market. Everyone wins, the misfortunate people can now afford an iPhone and Apple generates income from that market.

    Supply and Demand is how the business world works.

    As for the Apple Watch, it had it's moment but most people can't justify a $350 watch with a 2 year battery. I haven't heard much about Android wear since it came out.

    Nothing is going to happen to iPad sales, they've always been slow and steady and it is a high demand item for businesses.

    The iPod line was already finished and a lot of people wondered why Apple kept trying to sell them after the second iPhone came out.

    Hopefully I've taught you something, because you seem to know nothing Jon Snow. You seem as though you are an Android fan who has no other interest in Apple than to watch it burn, when in fact it is doing normal business adjustments to gain a profit.
     
  21. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Jailbreaking is relevent to ME. And if I am the only person it's relevant to I will still jailbreak. You can say it's not relevant anymore if you like and I know a lot of past-jailbreakers believe that. But there are still people jailbreaking. Just because it may be irrelevant to you or to others (and it may be a fact) does not mean people will stop jailbreaking.

    As to Android, I don't care for it. The UI, always seems ugly and unfinished to me. I'd rather have a jailbroken iOS.
     
  22. AliMacs macrumors 6502

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    Entire point of using iOS is for the security features. Jailbreaking whether or not you like it is irrelevant when it I comes to security issues. You want iOS to do what android does you buy an android. Makes zero sense to pay $850+ for an iPhone when you can buy a flagship android for way less that can do substantially more without any jailbreaking.

    But I understand where you are coming from because I've chased the jailbreaking tail - back in the day it was for features that were missing until iOS 9...
     
  23. mildocjr macrumors 65816

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    What you talkin' 'bout Willis? I haven't had a need to jailbreak since iOS 7. :D
     
  24. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    I don't use iOS for security. Which is not to say I don't value security. I'm just not as concerned about it as most people.

    I use iOS because it's polished and has better looking icons.

    Again, I don't like Android and it's GUI. I much prefer jailbroken iOS which I can then customize to my taste.

    As far as features, Apple seems to water down the features it borrows from jailbreakers. Quick reply is nothing compared to what BiteSMS on a compatibile version of iOS can give you.

    But I will admit that over time there have been less tweaks I've had to install. I used to have Luna installed, as an example, but since Apple now allows Do Not Disturb when the phone is locked I don't need to use that any more.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 4, 2016 ---
    Everyone's needs (and in my case WANTS) are different. :D
     
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