Is there something wrong with sharing my opinion on a forum? The problem arises when there ceases to be a choice and it looks like that is the direction Apple is going. Bigger phones and smaller computers.
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I'm happy to listen to a well reasoned argument, but you didn't present one.
The original argument was 'continued or expanded sales of existing products doesn't mean the CEO is any good' was it not?
I was pointing to new products, released after Tim Cook had become CEO, and their successes.
If you want to write off any good news about the company after the CEO transition - be it new products, existing products or rumours - then you can't expect to see anything but doom and gloom.
If you refer to my eairler post, you'll see I mentioned the R&D spending last, and first offered hard figures as to the successes of new products.
Because Timmy invented new revolutionary technology (5s, 6, Apple Pay, dual lens etc)is reflected in the most valuable company in the world with bad quarters most companies would be dying to have a bad quarter like that. How much spin can actually be put in this?
Sadly jobs would never have released the iPhone 6 and would have been the biggest mistake had he lived.
Well let me ask you this: Does the lukewarm reaction to the Apple Watch, and the growing dissatisfaction with Apple (expressed here and by many columnists and observers) mean anything to you?
I''m sure you will discount us as whiners who dont matter. But the number of us and the level of this discontent among so many former Apple 'loyalists' cant be good. Some of these people are the former apple evangelists who got their family, friends and neighbors ... even their companies ... to buy Apple.
Apple losing fans is becoming more of a flood than a trickle imo. So while the sales figures may seem rosy for now, I think all this ill-will is gonna come home to roost at some point.
Apple corp had so much built up momentum and 'brand cool factor' that it may be a bit before this new mood starts really affecting their sales, but recent quartly reports suggest it may already be happening.
Android handsets that run v5.0 or higher and get 500+ hours of standby time.
Here's ones that run Marshmallow (6.0) and get at least 600 hours of standby time.
Sony Xperia X Compact (newest model of this handset):
Will be updated to Android Nougat (7.0)
750 hours standby time, same talk time as iPhone SE.
Only 20g heavier, but has 1000 mAh more battery and a larger screen.
So the iPhone 7's closest competitor gets the same battery life while others get more. Okay. If your top priority is standby life you know what phones to get.
I'm fascinated by the negative feedback here. I wonder if while Steve was CEO, he had an ability to sell products to people and communicate in a really clear way, which now is lacking. Or perhaps Apple is just different. Or maybe a bit of both. What's amazing is that two people can believe opposite things, and use the same news to back up their narrative.
For example, I've seen people criticise Apple as "having no direction" in response to the price drop on USB-C adaptors, where as to me it seems like they were genuinely surprised at the negative press, and are trying to help out users - not just making a quick buck from adaptors.
I try not to just discount people as "whiners", though. Also, I try not to be biased toward Apple. For example, I complained here that they only updated the MacBook Pro, nothing else, and that Siri is lacking.
It's just incremental.Nothing great about it.The iPhone 7 is widely known as an incremental update for the S owners and even then it's breaking records.The iPhone is in a league of its own and even if Apple just changes the color and makes the display more bright and release in the form of an iPhone 8 it would still sell like crazy
Also declining quarters is declining quarters.If this keeps up wonder what would happen in 10 years from now?
I agree.Had Jobs been alive no doubt he would have invented another product line which in its first 3 years would have destroyed the iPhone in sales.A guy who invented 4 product lines all smash hits in their first years demolishing the competition.Thats hard to beat
I like how you label that Samsung phone like it's the only Android phone in the galaxy (pun intended).
The point is, 14 hours talk/240 standby is by no means at the upper-half of cell phone battery life standards. Plenty of devices do much better, many of them high performance devices with larger screens than an SE. The Xperia Compact X has had it's specs reduced a little this year for market differentiation, but if we go back a couple years to the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact, for example. This phone was Sony's flagship device (at the time) in a smaller 4.6" size (kinda like the SE is a 6S in a 4" size) -- but the Sony gets 920 hours of standby time. This isn't a case of shortchanging performance to extend power. Even it's bigger brother got 740 hours.
You seem to have blinders on to the sheer number of Android handsets and the different capabilities they have. All you see is that Samsung model you're supposed to hate because you're an iPhone user, and not all the LG, HTC, Motorola, Sony, BLU, etc devices out there, some with 3000+ mAh batteries that still manage to be very holdable.
The iPhone 7 is nothing great to you, that is. The tens of millions that have bought it, disagree. As the tens of tens of millions that bought the iPhone 6 and 6s disagree. Apple will still be MVC in 10 years. Jobs probably wouldn't have been able to see through his prejudices so I doubt he would have done what you said. And appke still has 98% of the smartphone sales, so declining quarters are irrelevant, which really aren't declining. Ask Samsung about declining quarters.
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Nice rhetoric, however I'm pointing out that the iPhones closest competitor has the same battery standby life.
What's funny is that I am a part of the tens of millions being referred to and I think it's incremental
No it won't.A new company may come along with a stay hungry stay foolish mindset and that's all it takes. Apple got here on that foundation after all.
Jobs invented 3 product lines in 10 years.Cook invented 1 in 5 years.If Steve was alive I only need his track record to confirm another product line would have been invented and it's not watch bands
Smartphone market has reached saturation.The only way to increase sales is now go to India and China but the latter is also reaching saturation while in case of the former the vast majority cannot afford it
I see more Apple watches than any other, the people who have them like them. So I don't know who gave it a lukewarm reception. They seem to be outselling the competition.
Out in the world I'm a new Apple phone person, got my first 5s. And my family now has all iPhones, 2 iPads, 2 MacBooks and an atv. This is recently. Nobody really knows where Apple will he headed, but I don't suspect downhill.
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I don't think it's incremental, so different strokes for different folks. My own viewpoint it's a new and better product. Using the logic you put forth a 2017 Honda is an incremental upgrade from a 1990 Honda. Where does it stop? The iPhone or iPod wasn't invented by jobs. cell phones with touch screens and MP3 players existed long before that based on the way things are categorized by you. Timmy had the courage to release the iPhone 6, jobs never would have. Since you and I can get to jobs through the neverworld.
It's not hard to outsell a barely interested competition.Google and others give up on Android Wear after they noticed the muted response to smart watches in general
The Apple Watch is flopping hard just reading into analysts projections .It needs an iPhone to even function properly.On its own all you have is another Fitbit.Why do you think Timmy doesn't declare its sales?
Theres a huge difference between 1990 Honda and 2017 Honda as regards design,handling,technology packed in etc.I don't think it's incremental, so different strokes for different folks. My own viewpoint it's a new and better product. Using the logic you put forth a 2017 Honda is an incremental upgrade from a 1990 Honda. Where does it stop? The iPhone or iPod wasn't invented by jobs. cell phones with touch screens and MP3 players existed long before that based on the way things are categorized by you. Timmy had the courage to release the iPhone 6, jobs never would have. Since you and I can get to jobs through the neverworld.
Now what do iPhone 6s users get with an iPhone 7?A slightly better display,No antenna bands,waterproof.Thats it
iPhone and iPad and iPod were the first of a kind as no phone,tablet or a music player packed in an App Store or equivalent features in 1 device.Tell me 1 device which came close to the iPhone at its launch
And for the last time,Jobs wouldnt release the iPhone 6.And he didnt need to.Because a new product line with an entriely new set of features>Big Display which is copied from the competition.Samsung was even mocking Apple for their big size push in their ads
The "small screen people" didn't have a choice - the phone's all just got huge. The SE came out and has proved popular despite not offering the latest features so it seems the market is there.
I'd hazard a guess SE size with less bezel and a 4.2-4.5" screen is actually what the majority of "normal" (non tech-geek) people would prefer to the larger iPhone 7 type phones, based on how many people I know have reluctantly held onto their iPhone 5's this long.
Projections that word conjures up "I don't really know". You really don't know how Apple views it and what their take on it is, given the market. It may have exceeded their internal projections.
Since you already know why Apple is not declaring sales and seemingly know apples market research better than them you must know they already have a solid product.
If you think the aw on its own is another Fitbit think a car without gas is just a hunk of metal. Put gas in the car or pair with the iPhone and it kills the competition,
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For the last time jobs was short sighted as he has shown. Period. Samsung might have mocked Apple, however look where they both are now. Using your logic the original iPod didn't really offer more than the competition. It played music. We're the headphones or clarity or playlists special? Similarly for the first iPhone, it made calls and did other things. The second iPhone made calls and did other things. The Samsung galaxy makes calls and does other things. When you distill it down like you did nobody is doing anything meaningful .
Yep, raking customers with TONS of pent up demand for the MBP, over the coals by raising the prices $400, REALLY screams charity to me
Perhaps you need to take your sarcasm meter in for servicing? It doesn't seem to be detecting very well.
On the other hand, based on how many people I know who have happily switched to a larger phone, I'd guess that the majority of people would prefer those larger screens.
What I do know are analyst projections and the fact that companies like to flaunt sales numbers when something is doing well.You dont see the iPhone being bundled into the "Others" category or Apple Music for that matter
I dont need market research to look at the world around me.If I see 40 iPhones a day just glancing around I see a grand total of 4-5 Apple Watches.And thats despite the Watch app being advertised on the home screen.Android Wear is nowhere to be seen and I see waay too many Fitbits than both combined.The analyst reports only further my opinion
Except cars can be filled with gas from any company.Apple Watch doesnt work outside iOS.If it was standalone with cellular connectivity a lot of people would be buying one
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I find that really hard to believe that a guy to put it in his words "Our job is to find out what customers want before they do" and who saved Apple from bankruptcy,came out with the iMac,iPod,iPad,iPhone is shortsighted.On the other hand,I do find resorting to cost control by omitting certain components (Touch Disease),removing LED lights from the Mac,intentionally omitting a 64GB variant to push sales of the 128GB as being short sighted and sacrificing long term profits for the short term
Period. Samsung might have mocked Apple, however look where they both are now. Using your logic the original iPod didn't really offer more than the competition. It played music. We're the headphones or clarity or playlists special? Similarly for the first iPhone, it made calls and did other things. The second iPhone made calls and did other things. The Samsung galaxy makes calls and does other things. When you distill it down like you did nobody is doing anything meaningful .
My logic is perfectly fine.iPad,iPhone and iPod were all breaking records under Jobs meaning there was clearly something there for people to just keep on buying them.Under Timmy's reign everything is on a decline meaning that something which was there under Jobs which made people buy Apple products isnt there under Timmy's reign
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Thats because the smaller phones have missing features.I would actually buy an iphone 4.7 with dual cameras but I was forced to get the 7 Plus to have that feature.The 7 plus has a higher res screen and more RAM.So if you want the best in class hardware and performance you have to get the larger phone
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Tl;dr
1. Admit you really don't know much about market penetration with respect to aw and it's very different in NYC than where you live across the pond. Or Apple Watch sales. The counter point to a projection is an indication no one really knows.
2. Admit pretending you cant reach into the neverworld and know what Steve jobs would or would not have done. Also known as hyperbole. Since most of what would Steve do threads are viewed with rose colored glasses.
3. Your logic is fine consistent with the continual moving goal posts.
4. Choice is good? Eh?
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What Steve Jobs would have done is come up with a new product line and not let the iPhone decline and I say this based on track records
Apple Watch is non existent compared to iPhone.Analysts back me and they know more than you and me about products
I don't get he moving goal posts thing
iPhone sales are declining.Fact
Steve Jobs has a track record of smash inventions.Fact
Tim Cook has let the MAC wither away to the point even iVerge is criticising the new Macs using last years technology and a useless touchbar for pros.Fact
iPad sales show no signs of picking up.Fact
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It's getting old pretending to play "what would Steve do".
Apple sales are not declining as you can't predict the future.
Mac is also non-existent compared to iPhone so what? More moving goals?
Fact: Timmy has a solid track record of releasing block buster products as aenhit MVC under his watch.
Fact: iPad outsells the competition.
Fact: jobs blundered a bunch of things and his biggest failure was he missed the leap to larger phones.
Out of the box you cant connect an iPhone 7 to the MacBook.Thats insane.Even the beautiful Apple LED on the back was removed.Steve Jobs wouldnt let any of this happen.This CEO is actually advertising thin laptops,emoji touchbars and 0.55mm key travel.What sort of a professional user cares about key travel or thinness.Who cares about touch bars when you are using last year Skylake processors with power guzzling AMD Radeon?Why do I need to carry a bundle of dongles for my "pro" use cases?This Mac is uninspired and just a throwaway bone to the complainers.The iPad Pro 12.9 and 9.7 have so many compromises just picking one over the other.I am not even getting into the Mini 4 and the Mini 2.iPhone SE still uses that old design with not a single visible chassis change
I watched both MS and Google events and even they seemed to have more direction than Apple currently does
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They are declining in the here and now
So you dump it?Dump a valuable group of creative professionals devoted to the platform when we have Microsoft supporting an OS with 0.5% marketshare.No wonder the sales are declining
Timmy is also credited with having the lowest operating margin in 7 years and being the first CEO under whom product sales declined
There is no competition for the iPad apart from Surface which is in a completely different price range so you cant outsell something which doesnt exist
And with those blunders he came out with the product which currently holds more than 60% of Apple revenues.Where is AW in that chart?I dont see it
They've been shouting about wireless sync to iTunes, AirDrop and iCloud for years, so I don't think that matters too much.