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nj-morris

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OK, I know, this is a big thing, I assume that there are loads of threads here on this topic. But I haven't been on the iPhone forum in a while. But now I'm suddenly interested in this new 4-inch iPhone, and what it could mean.

First, the name. I was VERY against the '5SE' name. But now this, 'iPhone SE' name has popped up, and I'm intrigued. Does this mean that they're moving away from the whole 5, 5S, 6, 6S, 7, 7S, etc. naming scheme, and coming up with a new one altogether? We're also seeing reports of an 'iPhone Pro'. Not iPhone 7 Pro. I never really liked the numbering. Thought that it was a dumb and repetitive naming scheme. Of course, this SE could just be a misreading of the rumoured 5E name from a couple of months ago. Or the other way around. Still, both are better than 5SE.

Next, design. I was quite intrigued by this leak: https://twitter.com/onleaks/status/702613804824322048 This is from OnLeaks, probably the most reliable source that there is. This shows a new design altogether, with elliptical edges, like a mixture between flat and curved. The middle phone in this article pretty much tells the story: http://www.martinhajek.com/to-se-or-not-to-se/

I think that this phone isn't designed as a smaller version of the 6 or 6S, or a replacement to the 5S, but as a whole new phone, and an opening into the path that Apple is taking. What do you guys think?
 
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Not very compelling to upgrade from a 5s, for me at least.

Edit: but I'd welcome that new naming scheme
 
inselstudent said:
Not very compelling to upgrade from a 5s, for me at least.

Edit: but I'd welcome that new naming scheme
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my 5s is also perfectly fine, though in a few years when its free lol i'll prob go to se from 5s. i reupped and got my most recent 5s 32gb for free, so i cannot complain
 
I think we will see a shift to: iphone mini/se, iphone, and iphone pro.

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JulesJam said:
What are the rumors about when the SE will ship?
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The latest rumor is the phone will ship the same week as the announcement.
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inselstudent said:
Not very compelling to upgrade from a 5s, for me at least.

Edit: but I'd welcome that new naming scheme
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As excited as I am for the se, I am equally as excited of the rumored massive price drop of the 5s. If the SE has 1gb of RAM, I may just get a 5s.
 
The iPhone "7" will be the 10th iPhone, so I hope they do change the naming scheme. Maybe it's time to refer to the iPhones by the years like they do with the Macs?
 
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nj-morris said:
OK, I know, this is a big thing, I assume that there are loads of threads here on this topic. But I haven't been on the iPhone forum in a while. But now I'm suddenly interested in this new 4-inch iPhone, and what it could mean.

First, the name. I was VERY against the '5SE' name. But now this, 'iPhone SE' name has popped up, and I'm intrigued. Does this mean that they're moving away from the whole 5, 5S, 6, 6S, 7, 7S, etc. naming scheme, and coming up with a new one altogether? We're also seeing reports of an 'iPhone Pro'. Not iPhone 7 Pro. I never really liked the numbering. Thought that it was a dumb and repetitive naming scheme. Of course, this SE could just be a misreading of the rumoured 5E name from a couple of months ago. Or the other way around. Still, both are better than 5SE.

Next, design. I was quite intrigued by this leak: https://twitter.com/onleaks/status/702613804824322048 This is from OnLeaks, probably the most reliable source that there is. This shows a new design altogether, with elliptical edges, like a mixture between flat and curved. The middle phone in this article pretty much tells the story: http://www.martinhajek.com/to-se-or-not-to-se/

I think that this phone isn't designed as a smaller version of the 6 or 6S, or a replacement to the 5S, but as a whole new phone, and an opening into the path that Apple is taking. What do you guys think?
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They could be moving from the number naming scheme of the naming rumours are true.

iPhone SE (4") small edition?
iPhone (4.7")
iPhone Pro (5.5")

However I don't think the SE will ever ship the same time as the iPhone and iPhone Pro. Just how it's playing out this year I think is Apple's plan moving forward. The SE will always ship in the spring and get the improvement of the flagship release six months prior (like how this years new SE phone is getting the 6s internals, minus 3D Touch)

- Spring 2016 = iPhone SE (with 6s power)
- Fall 2016 = iPhone and iPhone Pro ("iPhone 7" power and whatever new design and features)
- Spring 2017 = iPhone SE (with previous "iPhone 7" power)
- Fall 2017 = iPhone and iPhone Pro (whatever 7s power is and new features)

What I think this will do is, it gives Apple more constant high sales throughout the year and an extra peak sales time. Usually it's been September for launch sales, peak again in December for the holidays and then just kinda coasts along until next fall for the new launch. Doing it how I think Apple will set it up will have the same September for launch sales, peak again in December for the holidays and a new third peak in the Spring (March) for the SE launch. Which will keep overall iPhone sales high for longer.
 
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lagwagon said:
They could be moving from the number naming scheme of the naming rumours are true.

iPhone SE (4") small edition?
iPhone (4.7")
iPhone Pro (5.5")

However I don't think the SE will ever ship the same time as the iPhone and iPhone Pro. Just how it's playing out this year I think is Apple's plan moving forward. The SE will always ship in the spring and get the improvement of the flagship release six months prior (like how this years new SE phone is getting the 6s internals, minus 3D Touch)

- Spring 2016 = iPhone SE (with 6s power)
- Fall 2016 = iPhone and iPhone Pro ("iPhone 7" power and whatever new design and features)
- Spring 2017 = iPhone SE (with previous "iPhone 7" power)
- Fall 2017 = iPhone and iPhone Pro (whatever 7s power is and new features)

What I think this will do is, it gives Apple more constant high sales throughout the year and an extra peak sales time. Usually it's been September for launch sales, peak again in December for the holidays and then just kinda coasts along until next fall for the new launch. Doing it how I think Apple will set it up will have the same September for launch sales, peak again in December for the holidays and a new third peak in the Spring (March) for the SE launch. Which will keep overall iPhone sales high for longer.
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I don't disagree. I didn't expect the new iPhones (7) to be here when the SE is.
I don't think that the 4.7-inch one will just be called the iPhone though. Probably something like iPhone X.
 
nj-morris said:
I don't disagree. I didn't expect the new iPhones (7) to be here when the SE is.
I don't think that the 4.7-inch one will just be called the iPhone though. Probably something like iPhone X.
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I don't think there is any reason for the 4.7" to have an X or any sort of tag. It's the middle and most popular size. The small one needs a tag to tell by name it's the small one, the big one needs a tag to tell by name it's to big one. Middle doesn't need a tag because it's the regular one. Small and large versions are the "special" ones that need the differentiating tags to tell them apart by name from the regular iPhone.

At least that's my thought process of it.
 
lagwagon said:
They could be moving from the number naming scheme of the naming rumours are true.

iPhone SE (4") small edition?
iPhone (4.7")
iPhone Pro (5.5")

- Spring 2016 = iPhone SE (with 6s power)
- Fall 2016 = iPhone and iPhone Pro ("iPhone 7" power and whatever new design and features)
- Spring 2017 = iPhone SE (with previous "iPhone 7" power)
- Fall 2017 = iPhone and iPhone Pro (whatever 7s power is and new features)
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Agreed, for two reasons.

1- the iPhone Upgrade Program has a clause in its T&Cs that permits users to do an earlier upgrade 6 months after their prior upgrade. When is that 6 month days in this cycle, you ask? March 25. The rumored launch day of the iPhone SE. Why do that if the lineup isn't changing, or for a phone that won't be refreshed annually?

2- Samsung's S*insert number* naming scheme has caught up. Next year, would see the release of the Samsung S8 and the iPhone 7s. Maybe it's trivial, but that doesn't seem to bode well.
 
lagwagon said:
They could be moving from the number naming scheme of the naming rumours are true.

iPhone SE (4") small edition?
iPhone (4.7")
iPhone Pro (5.5")

However I don't think the SE will ever ship the same time as the iPhone and iPhone Pro. Just how it's playing out this year I think is Apple's plan moving forward. The SE will always ship in the spring and get the improvement of the flagship release six months prior (like how this years new SE phone is getting the 6s internals, minus 3D Touch)

- Spring 2016 = iPhone SE (with 6s power)
- Fall 2016 = iPhone and iPhone Pro ("iPhone 7" power and whatever new design and features)
- Spring 2017 = iPhone SE (with previous "iPhone 7" power)
- Fall 2017 = iPhone and iPhone Pro (whatever 7s power is and new features)

What I think this will do is, it gives Apple more constant high sales throughout the year and an extra peak sales time. Usually it's been September for launch sales, peak again in December for the holidays and then just kinda coasts along until next fall for the new launch. Doing it how I think Apple will set it up will have the same September for launch sales, peak again in December for the holidays and a new third peak in the Spring (March) for the SE launch. Which will keep overall iPhone sales high for longer.
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I think you just hit the nail on the head.
 
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I post on twitter the other day that I'm hoping we're now in Phone territory...

Phone (4")
Phone Air (4.7")
Phone Pro (5.5") - this only makes sense if they do really push the professional use of features, i.e. the dual camera SLR style stuff

It's happened with the watch, and will likely happen with iTunes (Music App) ... I like it, personally, I think it's time to trim all the crap out and refresh the brand a little anyways.

I think the 7 using less bezel but maintaining size is still the most likely, I think the "SE" will likely do something similar as a proper differentiating feature between it and the "S" ..
 
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DiscoMcDisco said:
I post on twitter the other day that I'm hoping we're now in Phone territory...

Phone (4")
Phone Air (4.7")
Phone Pro (5.5") - this only makes sense if they do really push the professional use of features, i.e. the dual camera SLR style stuff

It's happened with the watch, and will likely happen with iTunes (Music App) ... I like it, personally, I think it's time to trim all the crap out and refresh the brand a little anyways.

I think the 7 using less bezel but maintaining size is still the most likely, I think the "SE" will likely do something similar as a proper differentiating feature between it and the "S" ..
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How do you think they'd differentiate between different generations of Phones?
 
DiscoMcDisco said:
I post on twitter the other day that I'm hoping we're now in Phone territory...

Phone (4")
Phone Air (4.7")
Phone Pro (5.5") - this only makes sense if they do really push the professional use of features, i.e. the dual camera SLR style stuff

It's happened with the watch, and will likely happen with iTunes (Music App) ... I like it, personally, I think it's time to trim all the crap out and refresh the brand a little anyways.

I think the 7 using less bezel but maintaining size is still the most likely, I think the "SE" will likely do something similar as a proper differentiating feature between it and the "S" ..
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No way would the 4" be the phone with no tag when it'll most likely be the least selling of the three and technically not a flagship. The 4.7" is their main phone and by far the biggest seller. The 4" and 5.5" are should be what get the tags, because they are the variants of the regular iPhone (bigger and smaller)

Plus I believe they are dumping the Air tag from their product lines. Rumoured no Air 3 name on the new iPad, it's only a matter of time the new retina MacBook design takes over and kills of the MacBook Air too.

Also not too sure about Phone. iPhone is a brand name and far too iconic to just change. That's like if McDonald's changed the Happy Meal into McMeal. Makes zero sense to rebrand an iconic name.
 
lagwagon said:
I don't think there is any reason for the 4.7" to have an X or any sort of tag. It's the middle and most popular size. The small one needs a tag to tell by name it's the small one, the big one needs a tag to tell by name it's to big one. Middle doesn't need a tag because it's the regular one. Small and large versions are the "special" ones that need the differentiating tags to tell them apart by name from the regular iPhone.

At least that's my thought process of it.
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Unlabeled versions of products cause confusion, I remember when iOS 8 was announced people thought the iPad 3 aka "the new iPad" wasn't supported because they put "iPad with Retina display" which both the 3 and 4 go by. Apple specifically addressed this last WWDC with the announcement of iOS 9 and put iPad 3rd and 4th gen so that wouldn't happen.

Same with the Apple Watch, if you say "Apple Watch Sport" or "Watch Edition" people know what you're talking about, "Apple Watch" could be either of them or the "regular" model.

I hope they avoid the confusion with iPhone.
 
Paddle1 said:
Unlabeled versions of products cause confusion, I remember when iOS 8 was announced people thought the iPad 3 aka "the new iPad" wasn't supported because they put "iPad with Retina display" which both the 3 and 4 go by. Apple specifically addressed this last WWDC with the announcement of iOS 9 and put iPad 3rd and 4th gen so that wouldn't happen.

Same with the Apple Watch, if you say "Apple Watch Sport" or "Watch Edition" people know what you're talking about, "Apple Watch" could be either of them or the "regular" model.

I hope they avoid the confusion with iPhone.
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That confusion will never go away no matter what is added to the name. People say "I have an iPhone" and don't specify wether it's the plus or not. Some even say they have an iPhone when they really have some Android phone (because they really don't know the difference.)

With how I labeled the phones earlier in the thread (iPhone SE , iPhone, iPhone Pro) it works the exact same how you talked about the watches. If someone says they have an iPhone SE you instantly know it's the small one, if someone says they have the iPhone Pro you instantly know it's the big one. No different from Sport and Edition. There is no reason to have any additional tag to the main product in the line when it's the other two that are the variants of the main one.
 
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I just hope that when they release this iPhone SE that they make available the sim free model from day one.

I hating waiting months to get one.
 
I have T-Mobile's jump plan, but I might jump back to a 5S if they're really $250 to $300. It would lower my bill, and I hate the 6 series. Plus, if the 7 is really awesome, I'll just jump to that.
 
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Read a comment from another forum member that OLED might come to the SE first. I don't think that's going to happen but would be great if it did.
 
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