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what about the other features apple could implement into this magsafe? USB 3.0 with this standard? and a higher voltage charging for faster charging to the iDevice? all of this in which the current dock cord doesn't have?

there are rumours all over the internet speculating about it, and if apple has had this kind of design for a decade now then shouldn't it be overdue for a bit of a redesign?
 
The build in compass does NOT like magnets, I had a case with a magnet for my iPhone and it messed up the compass, and it seems the damage is permanent. So this might be a reason not to use a magnet
 
what about the other features apple could implement into this magsafe? USB 3.0 with this standard? and a higher voltage charging for faster charging to the iDevice? all of this in which the current dock cord doesn't have?

All of this can theoretically be added without magsafe too. These aren't "innate" magsafe features.
 
All of this can theoretically be added without magsafe too. These aren't "innate" magsafe features.

going by that logic, apple could have easily put retina in all of their macbook pros, but they made a separate model for that. yes, i know they would be so much more expensive in retail ,but so would be the magsafe. maybe apple will still sell the old cable, and also sell a new magsafe cable with all the features, like high voltage charging, USB 3.0, etc.
 
going by that logic, apple could have easily put retina in all of their macbook pros, but they made a separate model for that. yes, i know they would be so much more expensive in retail ,but so would be the magsafe. maybe apple will still sell the old cable, and also sell a new magsafe cable with all the features, like high voltage charging, USB 3.0, etc.

I am not going by any such logic, sir. You mentioned adding USB 3.0 (and other things) to mag safe. I was simply saying that we don't need mag safe to add all of those features. The way you worded that statement I felt it was implied that you did.

My bigger concern is still that price would outweight utility. I have still not been presented with a legitimate reason that magsafe would be better than current offerings.
 
going by that logic, apple could have easily put retina in all of their macbook pros, but they made a separate model for that. yes, i know they would be so much more expensive in retail ,but so would be the magsafe. maybe apple will still sell the old cable, and also sell a new magsafe cable with all the features, like high voltage charging, USB 3.0, etc.

Wouldn't that require that both cables work on the same device?

FWIW, I don't see them making two different options
 
The iPhone is quite light, so a stronger magnet like the ones in MacBooks might not help at all, and a weaker magnet could be too weak and fall out too easily...
 
I am not going by any logic, sir. You mentioned adding USB 3.0 (and other things) to mag safe. I was simply saying that we don't need mag safe to add all of those features. The way you worded that sentence I felt it was implied that you did.

My bigger concern is still that price would outweight utility. I have still not been presented with a legitimate reason that magsafe would be better than current offerings.

you have been represented with a legitimate reason (or four should i say!) you just didn't bother to read them! i had clearly stated 4 'legitimate' reasons on the first page, my kind sir.

second of all, i was just simply saying that all of the features i mentioned could be implemented into magsafe, and not our current cable, for a little bit extra features, that's all. This is all just IMO.
 
you have been represented with a legitimate reason (or four should i say!) you just didn't bother to read them! i had clearly stated 4 'legitimate' reasons on the first page, sir.

second of all, i was just simply been saying that all of the features i mentioned could be implemented into magsafe, and not our current cable, for a little bit extra features, that's all.

Ok, here are your reasons...

1. it would be less damaging to the iphone's dock connector jack over time.

2. the new macbook airs/pros adopt a similar charging design to that of the current one for the iPhone, which just screams for magsafe for the iphone, also reducing production costs.

3. could overall be thinner and smaller, allowing apple to make a thinner iPhone.

4. maybe in the near future reduce production costs, because then apple could make the same charger for iPhone/pad/pod and mac with the same design and materials in mind.

1. I can get on board with this, I suppose. That said, I haven't really experienced damage on my dock connectors. In other words, I am not sure this is actually an issue in terms of product lifetime.

2. I don't view this as evidence that we need a magsafe in iPhone at all...

3. So could micro USB. That's thinner and smaller than anything else I have ever seen. Rumors also say we might have what we currently have, just smaller. In other words, mag safe isn't the only way to get a smaller dock connector.

4. You are never going to reduce production costs beyond what we have in current chargers if you are adding magnets to the thing.

As has been mentioned multiple times, the single point of magsafe is to save your device from being pulled to the floor if you trip over a cord. Every other "pro" you mentioned can be done cheaper with other options.
 
Wouldn't that require that both cables work on the same device?

FWIW, I don't see them making two different options

i mean as in making the old cable for those who still have a previous generation iphone, and therefore cant use magsafe. with apple still selling it to them. that was what i meant. my apologies.
 
Ok, here are your reasons...



1. I can get on board with this, I suppose. That said, I haven't really experienced damage on my dock connectors. In other words, I am not sure this is actually an issue in terms of product lifetime.

2. I don't view this as evidence that we need a magsafe in iPhone at all...

3. So could micro USB. That's thinner and smaller than anything else I have ever seen. Rumors also say we might have what we currently have, just smaller. In other words, mag safe isn't the only way to get a smaller dock connector.

4. You are never going to reduce production costs beyond what we have in current chargers if you are adding magnets to the thing.

As has been mentioned multiple times, the single point of magsafe is to save your device from being pulled to the floor if you trip over a cord. Every other "pro" you mentioned can be done cheaper with other options.

exact reason why iDevices should have it. to stop an iPhone smashing against the floor of the table if the cable is pulled to an extent by accident. maybe a magnet not as strong of that of a macbook pro/air, but to just stop the iDevice from dragging along.
 
exact reason why iDevices should have it. to stop an iPhone smashing against the floor of the table if the cable is pulled to an extent by accident. maybe a magnet not as strong of that of a macbook pro/air, but to just stop the iDevice from dragging along.
The idevices aren't heavy enough. At least not the iPhone and iPod. If you made it weak enough that it would disconnect properly, you run the risk of it disconnecting too easily in the first place. Do you ever use your phone while it's plugged in? I do, just before bed. That would certainly get annoying, to say the least. My Macbook air already gets unplugged pretty easily when give a little tug (using in lap, on couch, etc.) A weaker magnet wouldn't work, IMO.
 
The idevices aren't heavy enough. At least not the iPhone and iPod. If you made it weak enough that it would disconnect properly, you run the risk of it disconnecting too easily in the first place. Do you ever use your phone while it's plugged in? I do, just before bed. That would certainly get annoying, to say the least. My Macbook air already gets unplugged pretty easily when give a little tug (using in lap, on couch, etc.) A weaker magnet wouldn't work, IMO.

Exactly, and I thought that had been made clear throughout the thread :eek:
 
The idevices aren't heavy enough. At least not the iPhone and iPod. If you made it weak enough that it would disconnect properly, you run the risk of it disconnecting too easily in the first place. Do you ever use your phone while it's plugged in? I do, just before bed. That would certainly get annoying, to say the least.

i do the same! :p but seriously, i do though...

im sure if apple done something with a implementing magsafe into their iDevice chargers they would clearly make the magnet strong enough to hold the iDevice and the cable together. also, take into account apple could do this for ipad instead, as it is much heavier, meaning a more stable magsafe, and providing that ipads don't have a compass built in, then there would definatly be some sort of magsafe for an iOS device, at the least.

I'm pretty sure apple would sort something out.... :cool:
 
i do the same! :p but seriously, i do though...

im sure if apple done something with a implementing magsafe into their iDevice chargers they would clearly make the magnet strong enough to hold the iDevice and the cable together. also, take into account apple could do this for ipad instead, as it is much heavier, meaning a more stable magsafe, and providing that ipads don't have a compass built in, then there would definatly be some sort of magsafe for an iOS device, at the least.

I'm pretty sure apple would sort something out.... :cool:

They might do it for iPad. Who knows? My feeling is they want a ubiquitous charing cable/port for all idevices. This is why I think it would be so unlikely. based on the thread title, I was responding accordingly (regarding the iPhone).
 
They might do it for iPad. Who knows? My feeling is they want a ubiquitous charing cable/port for all idevices. This is why I think it would be so unlikely. based on the thread title, I was responding accordingly (regarding the iPhone).

i can understand that how you were responding. but why does it need to be ubiquitous? surely its just a case of USB to magsafe? maybe its just a unique thing for ipad, just like siri is for the iPhone 4S and the new ipad? should be the main selling point for the iPad IMO
 
i can understand that how you were responding. but why does it need to be ubiquitous? surely its just a case of USB to magsafe? maybe its just a unique thing for ipad, just like siri is for the iPhone 4S and the new ipad? should be the main selling point for the iPad IMO

It doesn't NEED to be ubiquitous. based on Apple's history, they seem to want it to be, that's all.
 
It doesn't NEED to be ubiquitous. based on Apple's history, they seem to want it to be, that's all.

i suppose if they put one thing onto a device, they want it to be on all devices, but it clearly isn't possible with a magsafe, so apple would have to go back on their tradition of being ubiquitous and putting magsafe onto thier ipads and not the iPod/iPhone :apple:
 
i suppose if they put one thing onto a device, they want it to be on all devices, but it clearly isn't possible with a magsafe, so apple would have to go back on their tradition of being ubiquitous and putting magsafe onto thier ipads and not the iPod/iPhone :apple:

It's just something that make sense from a product and production standpoint, not to mention the fact that they have already gotten flack from the EU for not using some sort of "standard" for charging and syncing.
 
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