iPhone Storage is 'Absolutely the Most Profitable iPhone Feature' says Analyst

[FFR]

So you agree with the 210% markup calculation I did?
Or show your calculations...

You mean 200 dollars?

I have no estimates as I stated in the prior post.
You seem to have a habit of ignoring what was written.

Hey if you can find me a 512gb nvme drive that’s 200 dollars, I’m all for it.

Samsung is charging 400 dollars for their 512gb nvme drive and 700 dollars for the 1tb. That’s a 300 dollar difference between the drives.

According to you that must be highway robbery.
Or am I mistaken in my assessment?

I mean 300 dollar increase is 100 dollars more than the 200 dollars apple is currently charging.

Hmmm....

 

[I7guy]

Look at the article title, "iphone storage is absolutely the most profitable iphone feature says analyst", then add cloud storage costs. Cloud is not innovation, just inevitable.
Now add the two together and tell me what incentive Apple has for putting an SD card in the iPhone?

An SD card is innovative? Something that can break, get lost or stolen and hacked? While I don’t know the “real rational” Apple, staring with SJ didn’t add an SD card, iCloud is a great and viable solution.

 

[dilbert99]

You mean 200 dollars?

I have no estimates as I stated in the prior post.
You seem to have a habit of ignoring what was written.

Hey if you can find me a 512gb nvme drive that’s 200 dollars, I’m all for it.

Samsung is charging 400 dollars for their 512gb nvme drive and 700 dollars for the 1tb. That’s a 300 dollar difference between the drives.

According to you that must be highway robbery.
Or am I mistaken in my assessment?

I mean 300 dollar increase is 100 dollars more than the 200 dollars apple is currently charging.

Hmmm....

No I did mean 210% - https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ure-says-analyst.2142292/page-9#post-26574137
And you are not telling the facts for Samsungs drive, I bought a 1tb T5 drive for $434 AUD ($311 USD)
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An SD card is innovative? Something that can break, get lost or stolen and hacked? While I don’t know the “real rational” Apple, staring with SJ didn’t add an SD card, iCloud is a great and viable solution.

Yes, an SD card is innovative. - can break, pull the other one, I've never had a dead memory card yet but plenty of hdd failures.

Also you take lots of video, the device fills and can swap out the memory card. Out of luck when my iPhone does that.

Oh wait thats my fault for not buying a device with a larger amount of storage.

Now they solder the things into laptops, same greed all over again.

Then you look at Apples photostream for getting photos in to Aperture, good while it worked but I was always missing photos in the pile of crap it was. When Apple killed Aperture and I went to Adobe Lightroom for the same feature- never missed a photo.

 

[I7guy]

No I did mean 210% - https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ure-says-analyst.2142292/page-9#post-26574137
And you are not telling the facts for Samsungs drive, I bought a 1tb T5 drive for $434 AUD ($311 USD)
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Yes, an SD card is innovative. - can break, pull the other one, I've never had a dead memory card yet but plenty of hdd failures.

Also you take lots of video, the device fills and can swap out the memory card. Out of luck when my iPhone does that.

Oh wait thats my fault for not buying a device with a larger amount of storage.

Now they solder the things into laptops, same greed all over again.

Then you look at Apples photostream for getting photos in to Aperture, good while it worked but I was always missing photos in the pile of crap it was. When Apple killed Aperture and I went to Adobe Lightroom for the same feature- never missed a photo.

What happens if an sd card fails? You loose precious irreplaceable videos. Of course choice is great but this is Apple. If you are a 4K type of person probably can’t use an sd card for recording, your phone has to have enough memory and then off to iCloud.

 

[dilbert99]

What happens if an sd card fails? You loose precious irreplaceable videos. Of course choice is great but this is Apple. If you are a 4K type of person probably can’t use an sd card for recording, your phone has to have enough memory and then off to iCloud.

I've never had an SD card fail, but have had hard disk failures.
What happens if the SSD fails in your mac book - can't replace it its soldered in.
What happens if an SD card fails, well you have many of them, thats the idea you swap them out and keep going.
You have only lost one part of your holiday video. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Then the price difference between the 64GB and 512GB - $570 AUD what?
And the price of the 512 - $2369 what? More than a macbook pro.

As for uploading video on holiday - yes who has that kind of data plan on holiday in a different country.
Use wifi I hear you say? - No hotel or hotspot will give you that kind of data.

You are flogging a dead horse as they say.
Give people choice, its Apples way or no way and the fans will stick up for it come rain or shine.
Except that is when it changes - no need for a device that you can't operate with one hand - Steve Jobs, how did you spin that one?

At the end of the day some people will defend Apple no matter what argument is put forward, Its futile trying to logically interact with someone like that, so i'm out. If you think having no choice is better then so be it, thats not me.

 

[I7guy]

I've never had an SD card fail, but have had hard disk failures.
What happens if the SSD fails in your mac book - can't replace it its soldered in.
What happens if an SD card fails, well you have many of them, thats the idea you swap them out and keep going.
You have only lost one part of your holiday video. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Then the price difference between the 64GB and 512GB - $570 AUD what?
And the price of the 512 - $2369 what? More than a macbook pro.

As for uploading video on holiday - yes who has that kind of data plan on holiday in a different country.
Use wifi I hear you say? - No hotel or hotspot will give you that kind of data.

You are flogging a dead horse as they say.
Give people choice, its Apples way or no way and the fans will stick up for it come rain or shine.
Except that is when it changes - no need for a device that you can't operate with one hand - Steve Jobs, how did you spin that one?

At the end of the day some people will defend Apple no matter what argument is put forward, Its futile trying to logically interact with someone like that, so i'm out. If you think having no choice is better then so be it, thats not me.

I’ve seen photographers lose photos due to sd card failures. As far as Mac ssd failures, yep it happens but hopefully people back up their drives at regular intervals. My phone automatically backs up to iCloud. As far as SJ no spin, just the facts.

At the end of the day, as you say, people will defend Apple no matter what. And then the corollary is, people will criticize Apple no matter what. And it may be just as futile to interact with someone like that.

Good luck with your choices the poor horse has already been flogged.

 

[FFR]

No I did mean 210% - https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ure-says-analyst.2142292/page-9#post-26574137
And you are not telling the facts for Samsungs drive, I bought a 1tb T5 drive for $434 AUD ($311 USD)

Yes your 210% represents $200, they are your calculations after all, aren’t they?

The Samsung nvme drive costs $300 to move pricing tiers vs apples $200. Guess you don’t want see that.

Sure you bought a cheap ssd drive with sub optimal performance compared to an NVMe SSD drive. Samsung sells their NVMe SSD drive for $400 dollars with an extra $300 dollars to move to the next storage tier.

I’m a bit confused, your just making my point on both NVMe SSD drive performance and price. And relative to what Samsung is charging for theirs, $200 is actually less less than the $300 dollars others in the industry are charging for NVMe SSD.

Thank you for making my point, don’t think it was intentional on your part.

 

[FFR]

I’ve seen photographers lose photos due to sd card failures. As far as Mac ssd failures, yep it happens but hopefully people back up their drives at regular intervals. My phone automatically backs up to iCloud. As far as SJ no spin, just the facts.

At the end of the day, as you say, people will defend Apple no matter what. And then the corollary is, people will criticize Apple no matter what. And it may be just as futile to interact with someone like that.

Good luck with your choices the poor horse has already been flogged.

The minute he called micro sd innovative the discussion was pretty much over.
To advocate micro sd over NVMe SSD is ludicrous and ignorant.
The poster either doesn’t know what he is talking about or due to his price sensitivity is rationalizing his decisions poorly, hoping no one would notice.

Beating a dead horse indeed.


Perhaps he should enjoy moving to android or Samsung. Because apples decisions clearly offer little benefit to him as it does to consumers that only look at price without understanding the reasons behind it.

 

[dilbert99]

I’ve seen photographers lose photos due to sd card failures. As far as Mac ssd failures, yep it happens but hopefully people back up their drives at regular intervals. My phone automatically backs up to iCloud. As far as SJ no spin, just the facts.

At the end of the day, as you say, people will defend Apple no matter what. And then the corollary is, people will criticize Apple no matter what. And it may be just as futile to interact with someone like that.

Good luck with your choices the poor horse has already been flogged.

What my choice to use an iPhone, so funny.
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The minute he called micro sd innovative the discussion was pretty much over.
To advocate micro sd over NVMe SSD is ludicrous and ignorant.
The poster either doesn’t know what he is talking about or due to his price sensitivity is rationalizing his decisions poorly, hoping no one would notice.

Beating a dead horse indeed.


Perhaps he should enjoy moving to android or Samsung. Because apples decisions clearly offer little benefit to him as it does to consumers that only look at price without understanding the reasons behind it.

Lets not let facts get in the way of a great story...

I said it would be great to have the choice of both SD and SSD.
I'm assuming you disagree whole heartedly with the OP?

 

[FFR]

What my choice to use an iPhone, so funny.
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Lets not let facts get in the way of a great story...

I said it would be great to have the choice of both SD and SSD.
I'm assuming you disagree whole heartedly with the OP?

Facts are ssd is a general term. The technology apple uses NVMe SSD is costly because of performance and bandwidth increases compared to traditional ssd, and they price it cheaper than the completion using the same NVMe interface.

Micro sd can’t compete on performance or bandwidth compared to NVMe.

Those are the facts as they stand.


If you understood the technology relative to price you wouldn’t be making uneducated comparisons.

But hey whatever floats your boat. Enjoy your day.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

I’ve seen photographers lose photos due to sd card failures. As far as Mac ssd failures, yep it happens but hopefully people back up their drives at regular intervals. My phone automatically backs up to iCloud. As far as SJ no spin, just the facts.

At the end of the day, as you say, people will defend Apple no matter what. And then the corollary is, people will criticize Apple no matter what. And it may be just as futile to interact with someone like that.

Good luck with your choices the poor horse has already been flogged.

The main benefit, for me, with micro SD cards is that they allow me to carry a large selection of large flac/video files to listen to music or watch videos of my choice wherever I may be, without impacting on my phones faster internal storage. Micro SD cards are more than capable for this task. The fastest Micro SD cards are in fact 4k video compliant and are used by dedicated camcorders for this. If the phones internal memory becomes full due to photo/video shooting, any space available on the Micro SD card can be used until the phones internal memory can be backed up.
There is no disadvantages/negatives to using Micro SD card in this way. Only advantages/positives.

 

[I7guy]

The main benefit, for me, with micro SD cards is that they allow me to carry a large selection of large flac/video files to listen to music or watch videos of my choice wherever I may be, without impacting on my phones faster internal storage. Micro SD cards are more than capable for this task. The fastest Micro SD cards are in fact 4k video compliant and are used by dedicated camcorders for this. If the phones internal memory becomes full due to photo/video shooting, any space available on the Micro SD card can be used until the phones internal memory can be backed up.
There is no disadvantages/negatives to using Micro SD card in this way. Only advantages/positives.

My blackberry had an sd card reader, I never used it. My guess is Apple research shows the customer research demographics to not want an sd card, otherwise they’d include it and charge a tidy sum for it.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

My blackberry had an sd card reader, I never used it. My guess is Apple research shows the customer research demographics to not want an sd card, otherwise they’d include it and charge a tidy sum for it.

The anecdotal information that you didn't use a micro SD card doesn't mean that many others do find them of use.
Samsung discovered how popular they are when they removed them from them from the S6. The falling prices of the large micro SD cards is indicative that they are sold in high volumes.
Apple have never included additional storage in their iPods/phones because they would lose out on people buying their lucrative larger storage devices.

 

[FFR]

It’s basically his anecdotal preference as well as every iPhone user that chooses to purchase an iPhone without sd card support.

Apples NVMe solution would preclude sd card support based on performance alone and not price.

No that is incorrect, Samsung manufactures sd cards, it would be in their best interest to include them, most of their users don’t realize the benefits of nvme over ufs anyway or they are severely price sensitive.

 

[I7guy]

The anecdotal information that you didn't use a micro SD card doesn't mean that many others do find them of use.
Samsung discovered how popular they are when they removed them from them from the S6. The falling prices of the large micro SD cards is indicative that they are sold in high volumes.
Apple have never included additional storage in their iPods/phones because they would lose out on people buying their lucrative larger storage devices.

Anecdotal no not we (you or I) really do not know the masses’ preference for an sd card or not on iPhones.

You’re statement about additional storage is just conjecture and should have an “imo” added to the end of the paragraph.

 

[VulchR]

My blackberry had an sd card reader, I never used it. My guess is Apple research shows the customer research demographics to not want an sd card, otherwise they’d include it and charge a tidy sum for it.

Still it'd be nice to have the option. I think some battery cases have had SD/microSD slots, but these do not seem well integrated with the iOS. I'd be less keen about this if Apple charged less for storage on iCloud.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Anecdotal no not we (you or I) really do not know the masses’ preference for an sd card or not on iPhones.

You’re statement about additional storage is just conjecture and should have an “imo” added to the end of the paragraph.

It is highly unlikely that phone manufacturers would continue to provide micro SD card expansion if it was not used by people.

Samsung with the Note 9 offer 128 and 512 GB of internal storage AND up to 512 GB of micro SD, knowing full well that the 512 GB device could be cannibalised by the micro SD option. But they obviously know what options people want and provide it. And Samsung have no guarantee that users will buy Samsung micro SD cards.

 

[dilbert99]

Facts are ssd is a general term. The technology apple uses NVMe SSD is costly because of performance and bandwidth increases compared to traditional ssd, and they price it cheaper than the completion using the same NVMe interface.

Micro sd can’t compete on performance or bandwidth compared to NVMe.

Those are the facts as they stand.


If you understood the technology relative to price you wouldn’t be making uneducated comparisons.

But hey whatever floats your boat. Enjoy your day.

Choice is a great thing, have both, both have their pro's and cons.
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My blackberry had an sd card reader, I never used it. My guess is Apple research shows the customer research demographics to not want an sd card, otherwise they’d include it and charge a tidy sum for it.

My iPhone has a front facing camera, I never use it, lets get rid of it so I can have a bezel-less display, why should i care if other people use it. I don't that all that matters right?
Choice is a great thing, not everyone wants a black ford.
You seem very quick to dismiss other peoples needs.

Using your argument, Apple don't make SD cards so there was no incentive to include it.
Samsung makes SD cards so there was an incentive to include it.
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Still it'd be nice to have the option. I think some battery cases have had SD/microSD slots, but these do not seem well integrated with the iOS. I'd be less keen about this if Apple charged less for storage on iCloud.

I'd love the day that cloud storage is cheap for multi-terrabytes of data and that mobile bandwith kept up. Until that day it would be great to have the choice.
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It’s basically his anecdotal preference as well as every iPhone user that chooses to purchase an iPhone without sd card support.

Apples NVMe solution would preclude sd card support based on performance alone and not price.

No that is incorrect, Samsung manufactures sd cards, it would be in their best interest to include them, most of their users don’t realize the benefits of nvme over ufs anyway or they are severely price sensitive.

Every iPhone user chooses to purchase a 3.5" iPhone, doesn't mean that everyone wants a 3.5" iPhone.
You constantly use strawman arguments to defend Apple at every turn.
You think that because Apple doesn't provide something that it is best.
Apple doesn't provide large screens because you can't use the device in one hand, yet they don't make small phones any more.
What are your parties like? I like beer, I only supply beer! Choice is bad!

 

[I7guy]

Choice is a great thing, have both, both have their pro's and cons.
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My iPhone has a front facing camera, I never use it, lets get rid of it so I can have a bezel-less display, why should i care if other people use it. I don't that all that matters right?
Choice is a great thing, not everyone wants a black ford.
You seem very quick to dismiss other peoples needs.

Using your argument, Apple don't make SD cards so there was no incentive to include it.
Samsung makes SD cards so there was an incentive to include it.

Honestly, why do I care about YOUR requirements, I only care about mine.

My comment was in relation to why Apple may have decided that an SD card is not to be part of the hardware offering.

 

[ipponrg]

Honestly, why do I care about YOUR requirements, I only care about mine.

My comment was in relation to why Apple may have decided that an SD card is not to be part of the hardware offering.

I think you could've phrased this comment to be more neutral and more of a hypothesis.

"My guess is Apple research shows the customer research demographics to not want an sd card"

And if Apple included a micro SD port on the iPhone, I would consider using it since you can get 128 GB for cheap. But the micro SD port would of course take up (invaluable?) space in these phones, more so than a 3.5mm jack.

We all know how much Apple prides itself on saving that nanometer of space. From a supply chain perspective, offering options that will affect the way components physically fit together into the device will affect the overall profit that Apple is seeking for.

 

[I7guy]

I think you could've phrased this comment to be more neutral and more of a hypothesis.

"My guess is Apple research shows the customer research demographics to not want an sd card"

And if Apple included a micro SD port on the iPhone, I would consider using it since you can get 128 GB for cheap. But the micro SD port would of course take up (invaluable?) space in these phones, more so than a 3.5mm jack.

We all know how much Apple prides itself on saving that nanometer of space. From a supply chain perspective, offering options that will affect the way components physically fit together into the device will affect the overall profit that Apple is seeking for.

I do not believe it is profits first as your post implies. The way Apple appears to operate is to determine what is going into an iPhone and then what price to charge. In other words, functionality first and profits second.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

I do not believe it is profits first as your post implies. The way Apple appears to operate is to determine what is going into an iPhone and then what price to charge. In other words, functionality first and profits second.

If this were the case, Apple would supply a charger capable of providing the "fast charge" feature.

 

[I7guy]

If this were the case, Apple would supply a charger capable of providing the "fast charge" feature.

They also should throw in a set of air pods, Apple TV and HomePod.

 

[FFR]

Choice is a great thing, have both, both have their pro's and cons.

Ones cheap and slow and the other is expensive and fast.

What was your point again?

 

[FFR]

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Every iPhone user chooses to purchase a 3.5" iPhone, doesn't mean that everyone wants a 3.5" iPhone.
You constantly use strawman arguments to defend Apple at every turn.
You think that because Apple doesn't provide something that it is best.
Apple doesn't provide large screens because you can't use the device in one hand, yet they don't make small phones any more.
What are your parties like? I like beer, I only supply beer! Choice is bad!

Beer? Have you been drinking?
Because this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.