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iPhone user being forced to Black Berry Z10 for Work?

Wicked1

Wicked1

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Anyone know if there is another way around using iCloud for backups? besides connecting your phone to a personal laptop?

I have my IP5 connected to our corp network, now we have to either un-jailbreak, load BES10 software and not use iCloud if you want to use your personal phone on the corp network? I use my personal phone for work, to get reimbursed for our bill...so not to have to carry two phones.

My other choice is carry 2 phones my IP5 and company provided BB Z10....NOT

They do not even let you use an Android so I am stuck unless I can figure a way to sync my stuff by not using iCloud or my Mac...
 
taedouni said:
Just carry two phones. Use and whatever you want with your personal phone.
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This seems to be easiest solution. If my company threw up enough hurdles for me to use my iPhone, I'd ask them to supply me a phone instead. Of course they're not paying for my bill.
 
It's not worth having work pay for your phone if they're going to place that many restrictions on what you can and can't do on it.
 
Yep 2 phones it is, they are using Rim's new Mobile fusion app agreement which controls your iphone giving them the ability to pretty do whatever they want with your phone, wipe it, track you, etc.

So my IP5 now is personal and I will be sporting a BB Z10 while I am on call, no more expense my cell bill, but that is ok, I would rather not have anyone tracking me or anything else.

So we went from allowing iPhones, Android Phones and Blackberry's to BB only as my company is a BB only company now? Why you ask? I have no clue, but we are AT&T and so is my own phone, so that makes it a little easier.
 
Being the gadget geek that I am, I actually enjoy having two phones (work + personal). I try to have one Android and one iPhone so I can enjoy both worlds. :thumbup:
 
Wicked1 said:
Anyone know if there is another way around using iCloud for backups? besides connecting your phone to a personal laptop?
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This completely confuses me, I blame it on Monday. What does iCloud backups have to do with work policy? What exactly is your company complaining about with iCloud backups?
 
960design said:
This completely confuses me, I blame it on Monday. What does iCloud backups have to do with work policy? What exactly is your company complaining about with iCloud backups?
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Since our exchange is backed up, they do not want any other sort of backup method enabled why your phone is connected to their network, ie iCloud, DropBox etc they say it puts company data integrity at risk? I worked for the DOD and they had less requirements then this company does?

The BES10 software alone controls your phone and gives them the ability to wipe your entire phone and GPS track you, so to that point I will use my IP% for personal use and have them supply me a crappy BB for work use, just will be turning it off when I am not on call, they do not need to track me and where I am or what I am doing when I am not on call.
 
Wicked1 said:
Since our exchange is backed up, they do not want any other sort of backup method enabled why your phone is connected to their network, ie iCloud, DropBox etc they say it puts company data integrity at risk? I worked for the DOD and they had less requirements then this company does?

The BES10 software alone controls your phone and gives them the ability to wipe your entire phone and GPS track you, so to that point I will use my IP% for personal use and have them supply me a crappy BB for work use, just will be turning it off when I am not on call, they do not need to track me and where I am or what I am doing when I am not on call.
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Can't modern cell phones still track you, even with the power off ? Not sure if even a battery pull does the job ? Sounds like oif you just carry a BB10 with power off, they can still track you ? Pretty scary
 
I don't even consider using a work phone to make personal calls, texts, store personal data etc. Way to many privacy concerns. Not that there aren't tons of privacy concerns with your personal phone -- but its one less dimension you have to worry about.
 
I hate to say it but to be blunt if I'm paying your cell phone bill I set the rules.
 
Tig Bitties said:
Can't modern cell phones still track you, even with the power off ? Not sure if even a battery pull does the job ? Sounds like oif you just carry a BB10 with power off, they can still track you ? Pretty scary
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If there's nothing powering the phone, then no, they can't track the phone.
 
Tig Bitties said:
Can't modern cell phones still track you, even with the power off ? Not sure if even a battery pull does the job ? Sounds like oif you just carry a BB10 with power off, they can still track you ? Pretty scary
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I believe if you place the phone in airplane mode it stops their ability to track the phone
 
ask them about knox on android,its whole purpose was for companies to have full control over your cell and also have your personal stuff on there.

There are some gs4s coming out with even 2 sim cards on them to give you 2 numbers and knox encyption
 
taedouni said:
Just carry two phones. Use and whatever you want with your personal phone.
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Imagine a Z10 and iPhone 5 in pocket wearing jeans..
I'll still envy the situation, both the phones are great in their own space ...
 
Wicked1 said:
The BES10 software alone controls your phone and gives them the ability to wipe your entire phone and GPS track you, so to that point I will use my IP% for personal use and have them supply me a crappy BB for work use, just will be turning it off when I am not on call, they do not need to track me and where I am or what I am doing when I am not on call.
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I don't understand the big deal if you can be tracked, are you off doing something you shouldn't be doing while you are supposed to be working? Do you work for Treadstone?
 
Ta0jin said:
I don't understand the big deal if you can be tracked, are you off doing something you shouldn't be doing while you are supposed to be working? Do you work for Treadstone?
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I believe that the OP means that they could've tracked him outside work hours if he'd not accepted the company-provided BB Z10. They can, presumably, still track the Z10, but outside work hours, there's the possibility that he could leave it at home and still have his personal iPhone on him and they won't know what he's up to.
 
maflynn said:
But then that kind of defeats the purpose of the phone, i.e., making calls using it etc.
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yes, but the person I quoted/commented on was referring to the scariness of being tracked on a smartphone. I simply responded to his comment - not the practicality of using the device in that manor.

The fact remains, if your employer supplies you a smartphone they have the right to track it and it's activities (and ultimately you). If you don't like that fact then provide your own phone.
 
bigalow said:
I believe if you place the phone in airplane mode it stops their ability to track the phone
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Depends on who 'their' is.

Wicked1 said:
Since our exchange is backed up...
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To get access to our network, users must agree to install a management profile that controls the phone's access and rights to the level of that specific user.

That profile can disable backup, photo stream, ect.

The user can opt out of the profile by deleting it whenever they wish. This will of course remove all apps we've purchased for them, their ability to connect to our network, ect.

Does this help?

Complete Opinion and utterly useless drivel follows:
To be honest it sounds like your IT department doesn't really have a grasp on security or mobile devices in general.
 
Wicked1 said:
Yep 2 phones it is, they are using Rim's new Mobile fusion app agreement which controls your iphone giving them the ability to pretty do whatever they want with your phone, wipe it, track you, etc.

So my IP5 now is personal and I will be sporting a BB Z10 while I am on call, no more expense my cell bill, but that is ok, I would rather not have anyone tracking me or anything else.

So we went from allowing iPhones, Android Phones and Blackberry's to BB only as my company is a BB only company now? Why you ask? I have no clue, but we are AT&T and so is my own phone, so that makes it a little easier.
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I have no clue where you work, but it sounds like you answered your own question right there. Corporations have been favoring blackberries for this very reason. For all intents and purposes, a blackberry is going to do everything you need to (for work), and the company has more control over it than anything else, really.

Anyway, please give us your impressions of the z10 in the "other" forums when you get a chance. I am intrigued, but not willing to drop $600+ on an unproven device just yet. I might pick one up used when the demand/price drops.
 
Do you live in Waterloo? I thought the Z10 is completely unpopular in the corporate world
 
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