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Hmmm, I wonder if this will be a third generation iPhone only feature?
 
Actually it's not pathetic, it's actually good

you are OUT OF YOUR MIND.

it takes decent pictures in the bright sun. yay.

want to explain why it shows you the picture you just snapped... closes the shutter... then gives you a photo from some random amount of time later?

why bother showing me a still image that NEVER shows up as the final photo?

i understand there are a variety of factors working against it. that's fine. i'm saying, it's still a pretty lousy camera.

anyone that would take a useless LED flash over a working video camera... i worry for your souls. :p

it is interesting that in beta 3.0, the camera seems faster and brighter. so they are working on SOMETHING back there...
 
I'm nearly 100% sure the magnetometer will work in all directions.

This is a bit over my head, but here's what I found on Wikipedia:

The use of three orthogonal vector magnetometers allows the magnetic field strength, inclination and declination to be uniquely defined.

Orthogonal means relating to right angles. So I take that as meaning three magnetometers placed in an equal x, y, z axis will allow all orientation to be uniquely defined.

I don't know how the accelerometer works though, is it able to detect if the device is in regular position or upside down? It's completely flat, and in the same direction (so the magnetometer doesn't detect a change), only difference is that the display is facing upwards or downwards.

Does anybody know this?

I'm not sure if it can tell if the device is upside down. I would think so, because it can display the screen the correct way in landscape mode no matter if you have the left side or right side of the screen pointing upward. I don't have any apps, however, that display rightside-up when the phone is in portrait mode upside-down. I think this may just be by design and the phone CAN sense upside-down in portrait mode. Can anyone confirm this?
 
It was free at the point of purchase on the £45 plan. The 3G iPhone was sold with a business plan no different to that of any other phone. You'll be able to upgrade early, but only on the payment of a fee. And O2 definitely won't answer any questions about future iPhone hardware. Save your time.


If they want me to pay for remaining last 6 months of my contract...hmm...ohh well thats fine then; additional £180.:mad: But still I dont understand why I will have to pay any fee if those who upgraded from original iPhone to iPhone 3G did not have to do that at all. As I said earlier; I will restart my contract regardless for next 18 months which should keep O2/Apple happy anyway.
 
This is a bit over my head, but here's what I found on Wikipedia:

The use of three orthogonal vector magnetometers allows the magnetic field strength, inclination and declination to be uniquely defined.

Orthogonal means relating to right angles. So I take that as meaning three magnetometers placed in an equal x, y, z axis will allow all orientation to be uniquely defined.
Ah, ok. I have done some simple experiments in university with magnetometers, and they worked in all positions. So that was a 3-in-one magnetometer. Also, I've seen a digital compass, which worked the same way. So I guess generally they make 3-in-one magnetometers, since that thing in the university was a simple cheap thing, and that compass is a couple of years old too...

I'm not sure if it can tell if the device is upside down. I would think so, because it can display the screen the correct way in landscape mode no matter if you have the left side or right side of the screen pointing upward. I don't have any apps, however, that display rightside-up when the phone is in portrait mode upside-down. I think this may just be by design and the phone CAN sense upside-down in portrait mode. Can anyone confirm this?
I forgot, my K850i has an accelerometer too. I just tested a ball-balance game, and the device clearly knows the difference between 0 and 180º in both portrait and landscape mode. However, if I keep it flat (as if you would lay down your phone on a table), it does not recognize the difference between display up or down. This could be a software thing though, and technically it's almost the same thing as the other positions I tested. So I think if 2-year old non-smartphone can do it, so will the iPhone.

In other words, if the magnetometer works in all three axes, the iPhone will be fully aware of it's exact position. :)
 
But still I dont understand why I will have to pay any fee if those who upgraded from original iPhone to iPhone 3G did not have to do that at all.

because, as was explained to you earlier, those you bought an original phone paid full price.

if you don't think iphone 3g is subsidised, take a look at the price of the pay and go iphone (even after subtracting the cost of 12 months' web and wifi bolt on).
 
The new iPhone is sounding better all the time.

Video recording will definitely be nice. Like the simple interface.

Only a few months to wait ...
 
I'm not sure if it can tell if the device is upside down. I would think so, because it can display the screen the correct way in landscape mode no matter if you have the left side or right side of the screen pointing upward. I don't have any apps, however, that display rightside-up when the phone is in portrait mode upside-down. I think this may just be by design and the phone CAN sense upside-down in portrait mode. Can anyone confirm this?

Yes, that is correct. The accelerometer measures the direction of acceleration, so this includes gravitational acceleration.
 
The more I hear, the happier I am that I've waited 2-years to get an iPhone.

why so happy without the iphone? i have been enjoying the heck out of every new version of the iphone for the past two years! i guess you could just keep sitting around waiting...every year it gets better...
 
A magnetometer would make geocaching a lot, lot better! Video might be neat, and autofocus will be great.

I was going to get an iPhone 3G next week but this is getting really tempting to wait...
 
File under "Duh"

Is anyone in the least bit surprised by this? I think half the reason Apple even released the beta was just for stuff like this -- let people find the "hidden" new features and stoke the rumor fires to a full-fledged inferno so people are just bursting at the seams come June. "Ok guys, we'll let you look at the beta, but you gotta promise not to tell anyone what you find <snicker>" -- yeah right. It's all marketing. But, it's working -- I'm anxious to see the phone, though I doubt I'll buy it since I just got the 3G in October.
 
Is anyone in the least bit surprised by this? I think half the reason Apple even released the beta was just for stuff like this -- let people find the "hidden" new features and stoke the rumor fires to a full-fledged inferno so people are just bursting at the seams come June. "Ok guys, we'll let you look at the beta, but you gotta promise not to tell anyone what you find <snicker>" -- yeah right. It's all marketing. But, it's working -- I'm anxious to see the phone, though I doubt I'll buy it since I just got the 3G in October.
They should have some surprise for us instead of letting us discover all the features bit by bit.

I think they will introduce a 15MP camera with 5x optical zoom and 1080p video-recording!:D
 

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you are OUT OF YOUR MIND.

why bother showing me a still image that NEVER shows up as the final photo?

Yeah, that pisses me off too. What I have in frame when I snap is NEVER what's in frame in the actual pic. I've never seen another camera do that.
 
video?? theres a yawn. compass?? i figured that was there already with GPS and all...voice control hopefully thats cooler than it sounds but an auto-focus camera could be promising.

I'm not seeing the excitement, I thought this is where we expected the iphone to go one year ago>??
 
Not really. Once you are moving, your GPS knows exactly what the direction is. For example, you may be 20.14m east and 13.26m north of your location one second ago, so it knows exactly your speed and direction. Where it does make a difference is when you are standing still. If you stopped at a traffic light with a very light car, and some strong people turned your car around in the other direction, GPS wouldn't notice until you start driving.

You're not quite getting it.

You have to move a certain distance in order for GPS to determine you've gone that direction, usually the margin of error of the GPS signal plus an extra safety margin. As signal lock can fluctuate and more or less satellites come in and out of view you have to wait a length of time before you know if you are going in the right direction. A magnetometer will know instantly the direction your going in and if you change direction.

ie. say i'm in a car and the junction is coming up and i'm supposed to turn left, if i don't start to turn the phone knows it immediately, and if i do it can immediately update the graphics on the display to reflect what i should be seeing.

Granted most car GPS systems manage without it but iPhone will be so much more responsive with it.

M.
 
video?? theres a yawn. compass?? i figured that was there already with GPS and all...voice control hopefully thats cooler than it sounds but an auto-focus camera could be promising.

I'm not seeing the excitement, I thought this is where we expected the iphone to go one year ago>??

So they shouldn't add them, what do you suggest they add since everything seems to be a big yawn to you.
 
You're not quite getting it.

You have to move a certain distance in order for GPS to determine you've gone that direction, usually the margin of error of the GPS signal plus an extra safety margin. As signal lock can fluctuate and more or less satellites come in and out of view you have to wait a length of time before you know if you are going in the right direction. A magnetometer will know instantly the direction your going in and if you change direction.

ie. say i'm in a car and the junction is coming up and i'm supposed to turn left, if i don't start to turn the phone knows it immediately, and if i do it can immediately update the graphics on the display to reflect what i should be seeing.

Granted most car GPS systems manage without it but iPhone will be so much more responsive with it.

M.

see i would like the idea of that working flawlessly, but I missed my exit, no problem GPS calculates another route which is the exit 3 lanes over on the left that I just passed. I just don't think the GPS will keep up wit the re-navigation for this to be a significant improvement in that area.
 
So they shouldn't add them, what do you suggest they add since everything seems to be a big yawn to you.

No they should add them. Never did i say otherwise. But this time last year we thought these same things and that didn't happen. So this really is like a repeat and not very exciting. And Apple comes up with the exciting ideas, not me.

They know people will find this stuff in the beta, and it doesn't seem like they care. As long as they have something that's keeping people interested up till the release of the new iphone, which hopefully, in apple style, will have something that just seems genius.
 
+1

Sooo many people buy into this megapixel myth! 2 megapixels is about 1600x1200 resolution!! A better LENS is needed for better pictures. More megapixels just means excess data to transfer. The only situation in which you would need more than 3 megapixels is if you going to blow up the image drastically, or zoom in really far.

yup my enV2 has a 2 megapixel camera and takes 1600x1200 resolution. The photos aren't very good though. Just needs a better lense.
 
To all the ppl yawning about cameras only catching up with the competition 2 years after release.

Apple only had around 35 engineers on the first iPhone, i'll bet anyone not a single one of those was a camera engineer.

Prior to the iPhone the closest Apple got to photography was iSight VGA & 1.3MP fixed focus webcams embedded in their computers.
The obviously felt they needed to include a camera but they could only deliver what they could with the resources they had.

If you are going to build a competent competitor to a compact digital you need the following.[/LIST]
  • Better Megapixels (Not necessarily more just a more sensitive/bigger sensor)
  • Vastly superior optics (The iphone is practically a box brownie in this regard)
  • Autofocus (That targets an area of the image or is smart an autofocuses on things like faces :rolleyes:)
  • Anti-judder/Anti-shake/Anti-vibration/Anti-Jiggle (Whatever you wanna call it :rolleyes:)
  • Zoom (Practically impossible to optically in a phone as skinny as the iPhone, so will probably digital)
  • Flash & Red eye reduction (Flash, even an LED one will severely thrash the iPhones battery, so i'll be interested to see what they do here)
  • Better white balance/Colour control.

Note the 2 i'm :rolleyes: at, they're the two key features of iLife 09.... Leave that to the imagination, but do you think they just built them for a cheapy suite of consumer apps????

Fact is shortly after iPhone was released there were a number of job openings for camera engineers. They just didn't have the smarts to do it first time around and i'm certain the engineers they hired weren't around long enough to have an effect on iPhone 3G. So this is the earliest opportunity to see what Apple can really do in the camera dept.

M. :D
 
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