That's why I pointed out that devices like the Samsung Galaxy S are actually smaller than the iPhone 3GS. Not in width or in height, but in thickness, meaning the overall bulk of the device is actually lower than the 3GS. So it's a bit of a fallacy to say you prefer the iPhone because it's smaller, when it is in fact bigger than some of the high end Android devices. I think you were maybe talking about one particular dimension, not the overall size of the device.
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That's why I pointed out that devices like the Samsung Galaxy S are actually smaller than the iPhone 3GS. Not in width or in height, but in thickness, meaning the overall bulk of the device is actually lower than the 3GS. So it's a bit of a fallacy to say you prefer the iPhone because it's smaller, when it is in fact bigger than some of the high end Android devices. I think you were maybe talking about one particular dimension, not the overall size of the device.
and as i stated earlier, i had recently been in the states visiting a friend who resides there, was gettinga new phone and we went to some phone shops and i played around with some models out of curiousity. so if you were nit picking on me as i'm in the UK, if you had read that post, you would wouldn't have been that confused. plus the HTC hero is just awkward for my liking due to that angle on the bottom of it.
i did mean in one dimension or another, thats why i tried to clarify saying either longer, thicker, or wider. hope that clears it up a bit on what i mean.
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I can't knock your opinion so please don't think I am its just you are sending confusing messages (most phones meaning the majority, including the HD2 in your disdain for Android handset sizes and setting the iPhone as a benchmark size) I don't understand where you are getting at.
If a few millimeters here and there are beyond your taste, who am I to say you're wrong? The iPhone 4 is a great size for such powerful hardware so I'll agree with you there.
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I can't knock your opinion so please don't think I am its just you are sending confusing messages (most phones meaning the majority, including the HD2 in your disdain for Android handset sizes and setting the iPhone as a benchmark size) I don't understand where you are getting at.
If a few millimeters here and there are beyond your taste, who am I to say you're wrong? The iPhone 4 is a great size for such powerful hardware so I'll agree with you there.
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I can't knock your opinion so please don't think I am its just you are sending confusing messages (most phones meaning the majority, including the HD2 in your disdain for Android handset sizes and setting the iPhone as a benchmark size) I don't understand where you are getting at.
If a few millimeters here and there are beyond your taste, who am I to say you're wrong? The iPhone 4 is a great size for such powerful hardware so I'll agree with you there.
i meant most from ones i have seen myself, as i said, HD2 was an error on my part, with there being many android devices around i got mixed up, easily done. and personally i find the iPhone to be the best ergonomic fit for me, the droid incredible to me just did not feel comfortable when holding it with that stepped back. as i say, thats my opinion
You are comparing two year old hardware to brand new hardware. The fact is that the android UI on the latest hardware is not as smooth as iOS on an iPhone 4. It's jerky and laggy... at least in my limited experience.
That's my biggest turn off.
bascially, has to feel right in my hands, has to fit in my pockets with whatever else i have in there. it may be a little OCD compared to some people i suppose.
Or smaller.
I'm a big guy and I have big hands. I can still reach all parts of the EVO screen with my thumb while holding it one handed and it fits in my pocket just fine. I'm not going to say it's not big though. My girlfriend would NEVER be able to use this as her phone. She can use it as a GPS while I'm driving though just fine.Hmmm I guess but you seem to be tarnishing all Android devices with the same brush, which is the nonsense I am attempting to dispell by asking you these questions. For instance, a Nexus One will fit in your pocket just as comfortably as an iPhone 3GS, in fact, probably more comfortably as it is slimmer and not as wide (although a fraction longer). However, I can see that for the purposes of your argument it's easier to just claim that all Android devices are too big rather than actually assessing each individually. Unfortunately, this just essentially makes you appear like the traditional "fanboy" who simply dismisses all non-Apple devices out of hand without any attempt to be open minded. This isn't an attack on you per se, it's just an observation that is seen time and time again in this and many other forums, and it really bugs the crap out of me that people will go out of their way to be as deliberately awkward and obstructive as possible.
It also bugs the crap out of me that people seem hell bent on 'keeping up appearances' by being totally unflappable in the notion that the device they own is the perfect device in absolutely every way. I am an iPhone 4 owner, and I think it would be terrific if Apple could develop a way to maximise screen space by moving or changing the controls so that we can see more of our content at once like how it is on Android devices. Notice how I don't just dismiss this immediately even as an iPhone 4 owner? Being able to say that the iPhone could be better in this respect does't mean the iPhone is suddenly not the best device for me, it simply means I am capable of independent and open minded thought, and can recognise a good idea, regardless of where or who it comes from.
Personally I think the size notion is just an excuse, not a reason, as there are plenty of other devices out there that will be just as comfortable to carry.
It could be, but I doubt it. Aside from my limited experience, you can also see it in comparison videos.
I'm not sure that my post deserved your directly nasty response either. But I guess that must be the android mentality?
You win, you're smarter than me because you use Android. Happy?
I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings and it has nothing to do with "Android mentality". You listed something and basically called it fact and then said it could be limited experience. I was short with you (which I admit was rude, an attitude I do try to avoid so I apologize) but I am really just saying that it's your limited experience. My Android phones runs circles around my iPhone and any iPhone 4 I played with in the Apple Store. If I had a friend with an iPhone 4 I'd show you the side by side (I don't think Apple would like me recording my EVO in their store
) because you're right, it's not fair to compare it with the iPhone 3G.That all said, my brothers Hero runs fantastic against my iPhone 3G as well. My parents Samsung Moment is pretty weak though. But you have to remember, Android is an OS not a Phone. Some hardware sucks but the key point here should be that Android (the OS) is not inherently slow, glitchy or laggy. Some handsets just suck.
i'm not an apple fanboy, i really don't like mac's or the macbooks, i'm a PC guy that's built all his PC's from heart, love my windows 7. as i have said earlier, when i was in america, went with my mate to a phone shop and i looked at the various android devices, i also have some friends here that have some, like the HTC hero, the nexus one, and what not and for some reason or another i've just not been comfortable with any of them. i liked the idea of the OS in theory, but from what i have seen, read and heard, it's such a varied experience, that to get a really decent experience you have to do tweaking. i just want the thing to work straight off the bat, i have my pc to fiddle with and tweak as it is. i like how all the common buttons/important buttons are on the screen there for ease of use, the content of the screen is fine for me. so i'm not really doing the fanboy thing, or painting them all with the same brush, as i have looked at others. like i said, it is my opinion, it's not the same as yours, which is fair enough. everyone is different
yea i had issues with my iPhone 4 with the proximity sensor, i got it fixed and now it is fine, for me i have no more issues with it.
i'm not an apple fanboy, i really don't like mac's or the macbooks, i'm a PC guy that's built all his PC's from heart, love my windows 7. as i have said earlier, when i was in america, went with my mate to a phone shop and i looked at the various android devices, i also have some friends here that have some, like the HTC hero, the nexus one, and what not and for some reason or another i've just not been comfortable with any of them. i liked the idea of the OS in theory, but from what i have seen, read and heard, it's such a varied experience, that to get a really decent experience you have to do tweaking. i just want the thing to work straight off the bat, i have my pc to fiddle with and tweak as it is. i like how all the common buttons/important buttons are on the screen there for ease of use, the content of the screen is fine for me. so i'm not really doing the fanboy thing, or painting them all with the same brush, as i have looked at others. like i said, it is my opinion, it's not the same as yours, which is fair enough. everyone is different
I don't know if I'm just calmer or what, but this reply seemed far more civil. Less bashing and more stating both sides and why you prefer one to the other.I like it.
I'm just a tweaker at heart.
Verizon iPhone?
Then go for it! Come back when Apple has what you want.
Very well said, sir. + 1.
Your point? I wasn't trying to bash Sprint - I was just making sure that he had the $10 a month 4G fee in his costs. That's all...
I like the single Home button. It's not that hard to remember it's various uses. My preference. Ah, simplicity...
iPhone for me! I personally don't appreciate the various physical/ virtual buttons on Android.This is where my opinion will differ from yours. It seems you are pleased with the situation with iAds, which is good!
When I think of the ad provider situation Apple are at an advantage having so much control over the platform. There is no way or room for another provider to create ads that could perform at an iAD level due to the control Apple have.
The "openness" of Android gives other parties a way to flourish on the platform with no direct control from Google (or any 3rd party application provider) so they can come up with new ways of doing things.
With the iPhone's single button, you end up with extra UI elements using up screen real estate, for example:
iPhone last.fm app:
On the iPhone last.fm app, we have the Back and Info buttons on screen on top, we also have the Love, Ban, Settings, stop, skip and Volume (for first gen touch which lacked volume rocker I assume) buttons all displayed on screen.
On the android app we have less buttons on screen:
Just love, ban, stop and skip buttons on screen thanks to the universal menu, back and home buttons on the handset. The menu button on the phone will access extra features like info and settings. This could lead to Android apps having an advantage when using screen real estate thanks to the dedicated buttons (it seems the people at last.fm have squandered these extra pixels by having extra large media buttons) but the potential is there.
Neither way is right or wrong but both have advantages/disadvantages. It's all personal preference really.
I must be narrow-minded then, (especially after trying out so many Android phones).
Yeah. Apple needs to give it an all new look - something more "refreshing" perhaps? Hopefully iOS5...
I disagree with your "poor design choice" rant. I predict the exclusivity will end this year...
I second that!
Mine too...
Your point? I wasn't trying to bash Sprint - I was just making sure that he had the $10 a month 4G fee in his costs. That's all...
Just putting up a comparison since price had been brought up a few times. Your post was just the easiest to quote.
I had the iphone 3g for just about 2 years. Installed ios4 on to it and was completely fed up. Since it was the end of my contract I decided to venture into the android world.
My first exp. was with Sprint's HTC Evo 4g. Great cell service in my area, though no 4g. The phone seemed great, a notch below iphone 4 in terms of responsiveness but the screen was much too large for me. As a result i returned it and went onto Verizon.
Next up, I purchased the Droid 2 on launch day. Decent cellphone coverage, I won't say that it was huge amounts better than AT&T (at least in the SF, CA area). The phone itself also felt much better in terms of form factor for me @ 3.7'' and QWERTY keyboard to boot. On paper it was great, but in practice I did not feel it was as responsive as the evo or even my iphone 3g w/ ios4 for that matter, despite a 'better' processor. I also had some cell signal issues where it kept bouncing from 1x-4bars sitting in the same spot, which could be a bug from research on various forums from other users. As a result it also went back in a week!
So here I am 3 days with my new iphone4 and couldn't be happier. In my opinion, android system is great on paper but has failed on the execution of most of it's devices thus far. Maybe I would hold a different opinion if android was the first smartphone I used - I would be able to appreciate the influx of new android devices. Or I could just be so used to apple's os that everything else seems pretty foreign. But if in 60 days with regular usage of android devices and i'm still not sold that's a problem for me.
All in all, good competition and am still curious to see what new innovations both companies come up with.
My first exp. was with Sprint's HTC Evo 4g. Great cell service in my area, though no 4g. The phone seemed great, a notch below iphone 4 in terms of responsiveness but the screen was much too large for me. As a result i returned it and went onto Verizon.
Next up, I purchased the Droid 2 on launch day. Decent cellphone coverage, I won't say that it was huge amounts better than AT&T (at least in the SF, CA area). The phone itself also felt much better in terms of form factor for me @ 3.7'' and QWERTY keyboard to boot. On paper it was great, but in practice I did not feel it was as responsive as the evo or even my iphone 3g w/ ios4 for that matter, despite a 'better' processor. I also had some cell signal issues where it kept bouncing from 1x-4bars sitting in the same spot, which could be a bug from research on various forums from other users. As a result it also went back in a week!
So here I am 3 days with my new iphone4 and couldn't be happier. In my opinion, android system is great on paper but has failed on the execution of most of it's devices thus far. Maybe I would hold a different opinion if android was the first smartphone I used - I would be able to appreciate the influx of new android devices. Or I could just be so used to apple's os that everything else seems pretty foreign. But if in 60 days with regular usage of android devices and i'm still not sold that's a problem for me.
All in all, good competition and am still curious to see what new innovations both companies come up with.
Well, we were side by side until you got rid of the EVO. I really like the size of the phone but I always say to people, "It's awesome! But... hold it first and give it the pocket test. It may be too big for you." Also, In my experience with comparing different Android devices, HTC handsets are more... I don't know... stable than Samsung and Motorola. I'd be hesitant to try any other brand really. Since handsets like the Nexus and EVO can basically outperform better spec'd handsets from Samsung and Motorola.
Yea, everyone was like 'That's Huge'. The size is really a personal preference, some people love it others don't. I thought the size was great when watching youtube clips or just having the real estate for widgets and such, but in my daily use it was just too cumbersome for me.
What I don't really understand is how evo can perform so much better then the droid 2 when on paper the d2's processor is suppose to winwinwin over snapdragon in every way. I know the evo has been out for 2 months longer then d2, but fix the issues with signal before 30 days of launch when new users are just getting in the game is what i'm saying.
Alright.
Couldn't agree more!
Yeah... if I had to choose an Android handset over the iPhone, it'd be HTC's Droid Incredible for sure.
Most likely. HTC Sense owns!
Yeah... if I had to choose an Android handset over the iPhone, it'd be HTC's Droid Incredible for sure.
I was very close to going to Verizon and getting the Incredible, but the giant EVO screen was just too much for me to pass up (and, of course, the relative cheapness of Sprint—despite the extra $10 per month
).
I was very close to going to Verizon and getting the Incredible, but the giant EVO screen was just too much for me to pass up (and, of course, the relative cheapness of Sprintdespite the extra $10 per month
The EVO is an awesome Android smartphone.
I'm waiting for the new GSM version, as you may know it's called the HTC Desire HD. After getting a taste of a larger display on my Droid X, I'm hooked. As much as I travel there's nothing like a 4.3" display for all the time I spend on the web and composing email.
That said, the two features I would really like to see on a second iPhone model is the large 4+" display and SWYPE. Make it two choices in the iPhone lineup. iPhone (current model) and iPhone Pro (slightly larger).
Alright.
Couldn't agree more!
Yeah... if I had to choose an Android handset over the iPhone, it'd be HTC's Droid Incredible for sure.
Most likely. HTC Sense owns!
I'm pretty sure the EVO has the same CPU and such as the Incredible, which I've heard nothing but good things about. If you're on Sprint then I'd say EVO, if you're on Verizon, I'd say Incredible. If you're on At&t, I'd say iPhone4.
I really liked Sense at first, but after a taste of my rooted phone running Cyanogen Mod... I don't think I can go back!