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"Controversial"... just like the iPhone 7/7+'s "controversial" camera bump. Now nobody even thinks about it. People always have to make something out of nothing. Ugh.

Yes, they do. I hate the camera bump. I don't like using a case, and the bump irritates the hell out of me every day. Furthermore, even though I had the money set aside for an X, I will now not buy one, solely because of the hideous notch, which ruins the aesthetics of the phone. It looks to me like it was added in haste when they could make a notch-less design work in time. Ugh!
 
and also, as i asked above, i myself have a few more icons at display (network provider, 4G signal). where would they be?
Why does anyone need to see network provider? Signal, sure. But displaying network provider seems an indicator that space is being wasted anyway.

My issue with the notch is when using apps. It I didn't use a lot of apps in landscape, I wouldn't care about the notch (though I might find the screen still too narrow).
 
i'm 100% sure that there is no way in hell that good'ol stevie boy would have agreed with the notch or the removing the headphone jack as well as a few other things. but apple no longer has someone who just gonna say no. that was steve jobbs main role. if he didn't like what he saw, he would say NO were not shipping this halfbaked junk. make it right or don't make it. it's too bad apple has fallen so far from it's roots
 
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i'm 100% sure that there is no way in hell that good'ol stevie boy would have agreed with the notch or the removing the headphone jack as well as a few other things. but apple no longer has someone who just gonna say no. that was steve jobbs main role. if he didn't like what saw, he would say NO were not shipping this halfbaked junk. make it right or don't make it. it's too bad apple has fallen so far from it's roots
I doubt he OKs the notch, but I can see him get on board with removing the headphone jack. My understanding is that European consumers have already been using dongles for charging due to micro-USB standards for chargers. And Apple has never been shy about inconveniencing consumers with proprietary plugs. Remember the switch to lightning that made so many accessories people already owned useless?
 
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Where would it show if bluetooth on? I saw few video on youtube the location icon is on left by clock but what about bluetooth?
 
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What people are missing is that the notch is a nod to the apple logo. Genius. It will take some time, but people will soon be in awe.
 
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What people are missing is that the notch is a nod to the apple logo. Genius. It will take some time, but people will soon be in awe.

maybe a byte of an apple BAR?
hope you're kidding.
so obvious it was their only choice to look different and shamelessly invade the screen , knowing the crowd will accept anything.
 
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What people are missing is that the notch is a nod to the apple logo. Genius. It will take some time, but people will soon be in awe.
I hope you are joking because that notch is a ridiculous design point. Watching a movie in landscape is going to be really annoying. It's a lame way to claim a little bit larger screen size.
 
And Apple has never been shy about inconveniencing consumers with proprietary plugs. Remember the switch to lightning that made so many accessories people already owned useless?

And in the process saving a ton of space. The lightning port is just so much more sleek and beautiful, and gave us a reversible connector 4 years before USB-C would become a thing. Can you imagine trying to fit the 30-pin port into a device as thin as the iPhone 8 today?

You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
 
And in the process saving a ton of space. The lightning port is just so much more sleek and beautiful, and gave us a reversible connector 4 years before USB-C would become a thing. Can you imagine trying to fit the 30-pin port into a device as thin as the iPhone 8 today?

You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Substitute 30-pin for mico-USB to see how Apple-biased your statement is.
 
Micro-USB was a disaster in terms of both design and engineering.
Maybe compared to USB-C (its improvement) but not compared to 30-pin - which you should compare because it was in the same timeframe.
So a more inclusive perspective says: Apple could have easily gone the USB route (conform to the industry standard) and implement its own dedicated charging intellingence on top of that. But it preferred its own proprietary/more expensive lightning standard with all the extra hassle, steep licensing fees => creating a grey market of half working imitations and unnecessary fuss/chaos for the customer, with all the (overheating, battery depreciation) risks it wanted to avoid in the first place.
 
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Micro-USB was a disaster in terms of both design and engineering.

The variety of USB connector types is crazy and frustrating. I have six different ones for various devices, and that doesn't include my lightning cables. I never was a fan of the original iPhone connector because of its size and fragility.
 
Maybe compared to USB-C (its improvement) but not compared to 30-pin - which you should compare because it was in the same timeframe.
So a more inclusive perspective says: Apple could have easily gone the USB route (conform to the industry standard) and implement its own dedicated charging intellingence on top of that. But it preferred its own proprietary/more expensive lightning standard with all the extra hassle, steep licensing fees => creating a grey market of half working imitations and unnecessary fuss/chaos for the customer, with all the (overheating, battery depreciation) risks it wanted to avoid in the first place.

I think we need to see things in perspective.

Technology progresses in leaps and bounds. For all its drawbacks, I find it commendable that Apple stuck to the 30-pin connector for the better part of ten years, while the competition flitted from one port to the next like a butterfly with ADHD.

The industry would then converge around micro-USB in 2010. The drawback to adopting a standard is that then you are obligated to stick with it for a protracted period of time. Else, what’s the point? So one needs to think long and hard before committing yourself to supporting one.

Yes, Apple too could have adopted micro-USB, but it had something better in mind - lightning. With the MFI certification, Apple could exert some manner of influence and control over the quality of lightning cables and accessories. It was reversible and just so much nicer overall.

Of course, the drawback to this is that Apple is obligated to stick with lightning for better and for worse. They cannot switch without angering a large segment of their users, even if a case for USB-C being superior can be made, and in all fairness, usb C doesn’t really bring much benefits to the table that we lightning cable users didn’t already benefit from.

So my guess is that Apple will likely continue to use lightning until it is ready to do away with ports and cables altogether, so there really is little point to switching.

It’s the nature of technology. There’s always something better around the corner.
 
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I think we need to see things in perspective.

Technology progresses in leaps and bounds. For all its drawbacks, I find it commendable that Apple stuck to the 30-pin connector for the better part of ten years, while the competition flitted from one port to the next like a butterfly with ADHD.

The industry would then converge around micro-USB in 2010. The drawback to adopting a standard is that then you are obligated to stick with it for a protracted period of time. Else, what’s the point? So one needs to think long and hard before committing yourself to supporting one.

Yes, Apple too could have adopted micro-USB, but it had something better in mind - lightning. With the MFI certification, Apple could exert some manner of influence and control over the quality of lightning cables and accessories. It was reversible and just so much nicer overall.
Of course, the drawback to this is that Apple is obligated to stick with lightning for better and for worse. They cannot switch without angering a large segment of their users, even if a case for USB-C being superior can be made, and in all fairness, usb C doesn’t really bring much benefits to the table that we lightning cable users didn’t already benefit from.
So my guess is that Apple will likely continue to use lightning until it is ready to do away with ports and cables altogether, so there really is little point to switching.
It’s the nature of technology. There’s always something better around the corner.
You just missed my point, which is that their pricing invoked a gray "lightning" (in-) compatible market that they wanted to avoid.
Now indeed, they have locked-in themselves by their own proprietary standard - with ludicrous consequences for iDevice <-> MacBook a.o. connectivity.
That is not just the nature of innovation, merely failed strategy (in analogy with FireWire that ultimately became traded in for supposedly inferior USB-3)
 
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"Make a bezelless phone! Smaller bezels the better!"

"Why didn't you make thicker bezels to hide the necessary cameras and sensors? Nobody asked for bezels that small."

Let’s be honest here. If they made it with the bigger top bezel, it’d look just like any other small bezel phone. The notch makes it stand out.
 
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You just missed my point, which is that their pricing invoked a gray "lightning" (in-) compatible market that they wanted to avoid.
Now indeed, they have locked-in themselves by their own proprietary standard - with ludicrous consequences for iDevice <-> MacBook a.o. connectivity.
That is not just the nature of innovation, merely failed strategy (in analogy with FireWire that ultimately became traded in for supposedly inferior USB-3)

A grey market for accessories would have arisen nevertheless. At least consumers can differentiate between the two with the MFI certification. If they opt to buy a cheaper and potentially defective product because of this, that’s on them, not Apple.
 
A grey market for accessories would have arisen nevertheless.
Of course not - if they'd properly secured MFI.
And this halfbaken (or a more robust) implementation could have been achieved with open standards (better connectivity, more affordable, less annoying for customers) whatever your ascertions...
 
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No one asked for a notch in the top. Now that one is there, the bezel at the top makes sense. It's ok to adjust as you are given more details. The notch is out of place when in landscape. For a company that has painstakingly talked about .001mm chamfers on corners of devices, this is a complete screw up. It can be taken care of by the OS but they are refusing to do that for some odd reason.
What size Phillips screwdriver can I use to remove The Notch ?
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Purely a marketing tatctic. If they hid the sensors within a small bezel, the phone would look just like an S8, G6 etc. they want this phone to stand out. When you see that notch you’ll know exactly what phone it is.
Ah - just as the Creator devised the pig with a pigtail.
But in the case of phones, further fortification of the camera bulb (or Mighty Mouse-like backside charging) would have had the same effect without screen obfuscation.
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View attachment 717777 I don't like the notch, but as I saw pointed out somewhere else if they hid the top and added a tiny bezel to match at the bottom they'd have an LG V30. However IMHO the V30 does look better because it's symmetrical. Being symmetrical used to be a big thing for Apple even with things like ports, etc.
Then that's the price of lamenting.
The V30 was the iPhoneX copycat that sadly preceded it.
 
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