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Is Apple under some weird idea the iPhone X will not be a hit and doesn't want to get stuck with stock? Or is the plan, if the iPhone 8 isn't selling well, that Apple will reduce the iPhone X production to make it harder to obtain to keep from cannibalizing iPhone 8 sales?

but if customers don't buy the iPhone 8, will it still cannibalize sales?? Apple needs to say **** it on the iPhone 8 and ramp up the x production line or they're going to turn off the share holders
 
I went with the iPhone 8 because I didn't want to wait for iPhone X. I'll upgrade on v.2 of iPhone X. Wasn't worth the long wait, frustration on old device and iphone scalpers that go through wait line several times (as they did with the iPhone 8 line I was in).
[doublepost=1506370011][/doublepost]I'm thinking that an "average" person won't see an iPhone 8 until late spring or early summer next year. Practically when v2 comes out. ha!
 
I went with the iPhone 8 because I didn't want to wait for iPhone X. I'll upgrade on v.2 of iPhone X. Wasn't worth the long wait, frustration on old device and iphone scalpers that go through wait line several times (as they did with the iPhone 8 line I was in).

iphone x's #delaygate is Apple's "phone blowing up" equivalent to galaxy note
 
Just assume if you can even get on the app store between 12:00-1:00PST shipping times will immediately be 4-5 weeks.
 
Apple, heads up, you'll need as many iPhone X's as you can make as fast as you can make them between now and sometime well into next year...there, saved you the trouble of "waiting to see if pre-orders sell out".
 
"Apple is allegedly waiting to see how many iPhone X pre-orders it receives, and monitoring how well the already-released iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus sell, before fully ramping up production overseas."

This is exactly what I think. Apple is committed to the $1,000 price on the X. They simply can't afford to have a bunch of unsold stock on hand and drop the price like they did with the first iPhone. They are going to start out at a rate of around 20 million per year and if preorders are 50 million then they will ramp up production; otherwise they will produce only what they think they can sell at the $1,000 price. They don't have to worry about cancelled orders either. Anyone willing to pony up $1,000 for the X is going to be willing to wait six months for fulfillment.

Apple has doubled down and is willing to take a hit in overall numbers sold to prop up the luxury price tag on the X for at least the first year.
 
I have never had that happen at preorder. Every iPhone I ever preordered, I got at launch.
What’s your secret for getting all your orders at launch? I always keep refreshing and it takes me at least 15min to get in because the websites are always down for me:(
 
Not sure if it was a smart move of Apple to unveil iPhone 8 and iPhone X at the same time.

Now that iPhone X is out, everybody knows bezels are a thing of the past, so why would you buy a new phone with bezels? Either you get a high-end Android without bezels or you wait for the iPhone X if you are willing to pay $999.
 
In other words, my Apple stock will continue to lose value for the foreseeable future.
 
I will be honest I think there will be a major problem of scalpers and could see not getting an iPhone x for less than $1500- $2000 or waiting until feb-april.

I also foresee Tim Cook standing down. If my chain of connections is correct Steve Jobs had a hand in designing up to the iPhone 6/ 6+. This release was a complete fail and nothing has actually been new since the 6/6+... Tim's idea is if an iPhone 6 mates with an iPhone 4 lets add the the numbers and call it iPhone x(10)

Nothing else has actually been improved because of the rigid corporate structure Tim established in Apple. Where as Steve Job's employed the "Goldman Saks" structure... where if the mailroom clerk has a good idea, he will push him to run with it.
 
The problem is .......they haven't even started preorders. If they start now, at least they can have a idea of whats necessary to produce. They could at least do preorders in Waves or batches like how Microsoft does it with the Xbox one X (sidenote I believe the iPhone wanted the X title yet changed it back to 10 due to the Xbox one having it).

Essentially preorders are zero.

Kind of wondered why they didn’t do the X pre-order along side the 8. If people missed out on the pre-order and shipping pushed to 8 or more weeks I bet a lot of those people would have turned around and bought a regular 8. Guess they couldn’t guarantee pre-order deliveries but they probably have/had a good idea how many could be produced by early November.
 
What’s your secret for getting all your orders at launch? I always keep refreshing and it takes me at least 15min to get in because the websites are always down for me:(

Apple Store app open on phone and iPad, plus website open. Reload apps repeatedly. I got in for my Watch order this year at exactly 3:01 and was done before 3:02.

Know what you want. Do not 2nd guess yourself.
 
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Apple, along with other companies like AT&T, will let you upgrade yearly now. Just trade in your current phone and get the latest model.

*just* is exactly the word Apple and Samsung and operators want to hear you say.

They can put up the price by $240 and its 'Just' $10 a month extra. Whats that in the grand scheme of things? Well along with your spotify, and netflix, and internet and TV and everything else that is slicing you monthly it can add up.

Also, it gets you into the habit of normalising that payment so you get used to it being the cost of owning a phone. Encouraging you to upgrade every 12 months keeps you paying that monthly fee. If instead you upgraded every two years, or 3, or 4, you'd cut that monthly amount down a lot and the overall cost of owning too.
 
Apple Store app open on phone and iPad, plus website open. Reload apps repeatedly. I got in for my Watch order this year at exactly 3:01 and was done before 3:02.

Know what you want. Do not 2nd guess yourself.
Good advice.

When the watch first launched, I wanted the stainless model... all the 42mm stainless options I saw at 3:01 effectively launched at 1-2 weeks shipping time, I compromised on a black sport band because with the band I wanted, 4-6 weeks.

Going much further back, the iPhone 4 hit the store and famously the white model was “not available”, it would take almost 10 months for it to appear, Steve Jobs even said on the 4S launch “we’ll be shipping white from day one!”

From all the rumors and a few little birdies inside, I just get the odd feeling that iX will have some weird availability compromise on launch day... internally my one birdie is in engineering and as he puts it “not a lot of 10s around, which is weird because it’s weeks away, but hardware still feels scarce like it’s under wraps, usually new models are all over campus post the public announcement, but still as of now they’re tough to get for testing and they’re being loaned out on daily basis like library books, not issued to engineers as pre-release devices usually are. I’m spending more time in the simulator on the X at this point than I expected, figured I’d have a pre-release handset to build with...”
 
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