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Gestures generally sound inferior to buttons or a sensor. I hope Apple finds a way to bring back the home button.
 
Actually Touch ID (at least on my 6 plus) also requires 2 actions - but with less movement:

1. Press home button with finger/thumb

2. Hold finger/thumb over home button

So they are both 2 actions. Also, faceID does NOT require raising phone to face (see gif in this thread). Also if you turn off the attention feature, you don't even have to look at it. So I think your thinking more annoyance than reality.

It's only one action for touch ID, I press on the home button and it unlocks. There is no perceivable "hold" for me, just a press and the phone opens up. It's possible that technically it's a "press and hold", but the hold part is so miniscule as to be virtually non-existent.

As for faceID, the cameras still has to see your face right? If the phone is lying on my desk, or in my car holder, or on my nightstand when I'm sleeping I highly doubt the camera can supersede the laws of physics and bend its view. No, in those situations I have to pick up the phone or move my face into the camera's view.

But in practice I don't disagree with you, every little change from model to model can be an annoyance. We all get used to it. Heck I complained about touch ID when it first came out. As long as face ID is accurate I have no doubt I'll get used to it, and probably love it in the future.
 
Sadly I have to agree with this comment. Apple is now dealing with 4 screen sizes, different aspect ratios, and one notch. I am willing to bet the notch will be gone in the next model. Developers are going to be dealing with this catastrophe for years because of one model.

I think you give Apple too much credit when it comes to admitting a mistake. Their historical tendency is to double down. I'd be really, really surprised if they don't keep the notch for at least 3 iterations (this one included).
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Gestures generally sound inferior to buttons or a sensor. I hope Apple finds a way to bring back the home button.
Me too, although I think there is very little chance.
 
This is ApplePay all over again. People nitpicking to the smallest thing to put down a technology they haven't even used. "But ApplePay, you have to pull out your phone, then put near the terminal, rest your finger on TouchID, wait for TouchID, ... I'm losing my previous half a second and it's so inconvenient to have to do that extra step".

It's not nitpicking, it's just conversation on a forum. But in any case I'm quite sure that you have plenty of complaints that seem like nit picking to me over other phones, or maybe this one. It's simply my opinion that it may get annoying having that extra step in there. It's not just a matter of losing time, but a matter of having to get my face in the line of the camera. So if my phone is in it's car holder and plugged in now I either have to contort myself to get my face in front of it, or unplug the phone and pull it out of the car holder. If I'm sleeping and want to adjust something on my phone I have to sit up out of bed and put my face in front of the phone, or unplug the phone and put it in front of my face. Sure there is the option for the lock code, but that's something I didn't need to worry about before.

The true solution, IMO, is to have a proximity unlock feature like Android has. If the device is on my home wifi network or connected to a particular Bluetooth device. Or heck, just give us a toggle to allow us to go right to the home screen with face ID.

But as I previously said, it's not the end of the world at all. We all have our wishlists, but have to learn how to compromise with reality. Still it's a forum and IMO it's interesting conversation.
 
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For all those concerned over The Verge article, did you also happen to read that he contacted Apple and was told he was holding it too far from his face? It needs to be 10"-20". So here's a guy most likely holding the phone at arms length. Who holds their phone two feet from their face? It's no wonder he's having issues. His experiences don't concern me in the slightest. Especially since someone else used theirs all day at Disneyland and didn't see to have any issues at all with sunlight.
 
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So, I wonder many of users constantly hold and touched the screen instead, then say "oh its FaceID"

We just don't like changes
 
Gestures generally sound inferior to buttons or a sensor. I hope Apple finds a way to bring back the home button.
not likely mate...
[doublepost=1509496500][/doublepost]muscle memory is, well, quite malleable. sure, we'll all be pressing the screen out of habit, but i'm sure in a week most of us will have formed new habits. not worried about the changes in gestures at all.

my main worry is whether the screen will remain accurate and vibrant and free from burn in a year, two years from now...
 
For all those concerned over The Verge article, did you also happen to read that he contacted Apple and was told he was holding it too far from his face? It needs to be 10"-20". So here's a guy most likely holding the phone at arms length. Who holds their phone two feet from their face? It's no wonder he's having issues. His experiences don't concern me in the slightest. Especially since someone else used theirs all day at Disneyland and didn't see to have any issues at all with sunlight.

That actually concerns me MORE. So now the situations I’m hoping I can unlock my phone are going to be even tougher.
 
Skimming through the thread I’m seeing a lot of “but but but it has to be great I just blindly dropped $1000 on something I have never used before.” This is a device I would never buy without getting hands on first. Too many unanswered questions with this new phone.
Maybe you are just unable to afford $1000 phone. It’s nit a big deal for a lot of people to buy it unseen.
 
Not wanting to be rude but is it possible Nilay's problems with FaceID are a result of him being brown? As an example, with strong light above him, it would darken out more of his features than the same scenario with a white skinned person. Hasn't it been said before that tech struggles with recognising black people? Its like having a black car, its harder to see its curves and features because of the colour.

PS: Don't hate, Im Mexican.

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Maybe you are just unable to afford $1000 phone. It’s nit a big deal for a lot of people to buy it unseen.
This was insulting and unnecessary. He just said it's a lot to drop on something sight unseen with many unanswered questions. As someone who has LOTS of money, I still agree with him.
 
Can bloggers please stop shooting outdoor photos and boasting about the quality. Outdoor photos with lots of sunlight has been good on every phone since 2007 and point and shoots long before that and is no longer representational of the quality of a camera today. If you can shoot in low light without focus issues or noise, then you have a good quality phone camera.

Hey look, I shot a photo outdoors on my phone that looks like every other photo shot on any phone in the last 10 years, but this one is somehow better because I paid $1000 for it!

As per some review, the X camera is not as good as Pixel 2.
 
This was insulting and unnecessary. He just said it's a lot to drop on something sight unseen with many unanswered questions. As someone who has LOTS of money, I still agree with him.
What is a lot of money? I’m just saying a grand for a top end smartphone is no big deal. They’ve been $700-$800 forever.
 
And how well does Touch ID work with wet or very dry/cracked fingers? I’m not expecting Face ID to work under every conceivable situation. I don’t think Apple has promised that either.

I've never had problems with dry fingers. If your hands are wet you can wipe them, you cant really turn off the sun to fix lighting conditions. I don't know why I'm shocked people are downplaying a potential major issue
 
What is a lot of money? I’m just saying a grand for a top end smartphone is no big deal. They’ve been $700-$800 forever.
How many phones have used facial recognition to unlock before. This will be a make it break feature for Apple. If it doesn’t work as advertised there will be a huge ********* of criticism.
 
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How many phones have used facial recognition to unlock before. This will be a make it break feature for Apple. If it doesn’t work as advertised there will be a huge ********* of criticism.
No one thing with make or break Apple. They are simply too powerful. Anyway, it seems to be 90% positive in regard to FaceID. They’ll get it perfect on the next one and it looks impressive already. I’ll let you know Friday.
 
So far it basically sounds like FaceID isn't as fast or consistent as the current gen of TouchID? That's... not particularly encouraging. Though maybe things improve as it learns your face more.
Definitely sounds somewhat like a compromise to TouchID (sunlight & some types of indoor lighting reducing the reliability of it, requires you to hold the device closer to your face than you would normally hold previous iPhones). TouchID integrated into the screen sounds like something Apple may seriously consider for the next iPhone based on the feedback they get from X owners.
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Couple of points.
If you go to John Grubers Daring Fireball it's pretty obvious he is upset that HE didn't get an early iPhone X to review LOL
Secondly, does one HAVE to use Face ID to open the phone? If so that means there is no way my wife could use my phone in an emergency assuming my face isn't able to unlock the phone? Or for that matter even for regular use if she needed to borrow my iPhone?
Maybe you could add her as a "trusted face" or something like that? If not, maybe Apple could implement the ability to add a second person who could access your X through FaceID in 11.2 or 11.3?
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You are exaggerating. Overall he thought FaceID worked well. It isn’t perfect, but neither was TouchID.
TouchID became pretty damn close to perfect in version 2.
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Well, it takes me about a minute per finger to set up Touch ID on a new phone, so I never saw that as an issue.

As far as dirty/wet/sweaty fingers, yes, agreed (though Touch ID v2 is better with that than v1). As I said in the post you quoted, Face ID will be better sometimes. But so will Touch ID (odd lighting, face covered, walking as you unlock).

Which is why having both would have been ideal, so each can be used where the other is weak.

I think integrated TouchID in the display would be a good idea and hope Apple would consider the situations where it could be better than FaceID.
 
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When Steve Jobs introduced the iPad, he was proud to say that anyone with an iPhone would be able to use it. Not the case anymore. You’ll have to learn one way of how to use your iPhone and another way to use your iPad.

That will probably change. People have also complained that the OS has stalled.. now that they renew things, they complain again.. you can never satisfy anyone. Lets Keep the analog buttons, and get faster horses!
[doublepost=1509520809][/doublepost]Check out the TechCrunch review, he is one of the few guys who had the phone for a week (most of the reviewers only had it for a day).

Here is a list from reddit, to get a thorough review.

Site Time with Device
WaPo 15 Hours
Business Insider 18 Hours
CNet 18 Hours
Digital Trends < 24 Hours
Engadget < 24 Hours
iMore < 24 Hours
The Loop < 24 Hours
Verge < 24 hours
CNN 24 Hours
Daily Mail 24 Hours
The Telegraph 24 Hours
Mashable > 3 Days
Buzzfeed 7 Days
CNBC 7 Days
TechCrunch 7 Days
Forbes 9 Days
Independent 9 Days
 
iPhone X - the first Apple product released since the TAM that I have absolutely zero interest in buying. Make that negative interest - I'd be willing to pay MORE for an iPhone 8+, 8, or an updated SE (sadface). Can't wait for this rubbish to die off.
 
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