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iPhone 7 at $449 is the entry level Apple currently sells.

Uh, no - that is now 2 years old. The new entry-level phone is the Xr, and at $749 the pricing is ludicrous. To say nothing of it being a downgrade in several respects from the 6S through the 8.
 
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Still laughing at the pricing - $749 for the basic version of an "entry level" phone? Talk about about taking the piss!

But lots of people will buy it . . .

Why in the world would you call the XR an entry level phone? It isn't the "entry" to the iOS ecosystem. You can buy 7 for $450. Or you can get a used iPhone for cheaper. Or you can get given a hand me down from a family member.

And I certainly hope you don't mean "entry" into smart phone ownership. I don't think that is happening anymore unless it is a kid getting old enough to get their first phone.
 
Uh, no - that is now 2 years old. The new entry-level phone is the Xr, and at $749 the pricing is ludicrous. To say nothing of it being a downgrade in several respects from the 6S through the 8.
Brighter edge-to-edge screen with the same ppi as 6s through 8 and a processor that outperforms Android flagship phones in 2018 is a downgrade?

You can't be serious.

And yes, the iPhone 7 is indeed Apple's current entry-level offering.
 
Massive is correct. It's a very big smartphone. And for (6S) 7, 8 Plus owners, the upgrade path isn't so great. PPI Downgrade, loss of 3D Touch and dual cameras. And outside of the US it is priced in the premium segment. I have trouble recommending this model to friends and family.

PPI downgrade will not be noticed. 3D touch is great, but I bet I'm one of the few people I know who uses it. The Camera is apparently great as well. And I suspect even in the times the user is using digital zoom it will take better pictures than the older iPhones other than the X. This will be the phone I recommend to everyone.
 
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Nilay Patel’s comments on the XR display are everything that’s wrong with tech. It’s like tech writers strain themselves to find something to criticize rather than writing reviews for the majority of people who will own the device they’re reviewing. I’ll bet 99% of XR owners are going to think the display looks amazing. They’re going to think it’s a lot more than just “fine”.
 
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All of these reviews are by non-technical people.

Technical people would test the display for PWM (flickering).

iPhone XS and XS Max use PWM for backlight control. That will give people headaches and eye strain.

No word yet on whether iPhone XR uses PWM, but we will see.
 
The Engadget review was a really good detailed review which almost made me change my mind on the XS Max. However, I care about the quality of my screen and I'm the kind of person who maxes out the photos library capacity. I need to be able to take great pictures without having a dedicated point and shoot camera. I'm upgrading from a 6s Plus so it's a win for me.

Also, since Apple stated that the 6.1 inch display of the XR is the perfect size for most people, there goes any hope for all you small handed or SE loving iPhone users.
 
Just read Gruber’s review at daring fireball. Really enjoyed his breakdown on the differences between the XR and XS.

Actually what’s very interesting is how the XR uses the wide angle camera (it’s only camera lens) for portrait shots. It ends up getting much better portrait shots in very low light compared to the XS (as it’s using the telephoto lens which has a much smaller sensor).

Essentially what I was expecting. Excellent option for anyone not needing the additional luxuries of the XS (SS, OLED, 3x retina as opposed to 2X4, retina and telephoto camera sensor).
The best part of his review (which someone needs to stick on Schiller’s desk this morning) was comparing storage options between the XR and the XS. It costs only $50 more to get the best storage option for the XR. With the XS it’s $150. There’s no technical reason for Apple not offering 128GB model with the XS. That’s what the entry level XS should start at. Of course it doesn’t because if it did then Apple couldn’t upsell you and extract an extra $150. That’s what’s criminal. I’m glad Gruber is highlighting it.
 
This phone should’ve been 5.8” and the XS 6.1”, really bizarre to me how it’s the more affordable option but has a larger display than one of their most expensive. Also, you missed out the part where The Verge said this actually has a worse display than the iPhone 8 in terms of colour shift.
 
Seriously, we need a smaller hand-friendly version of this design.

Agree and I think it will come in a few years, maybe 2.
I can see their lineup being a "small" LCD and bigger LCD then OLED models at higher prices for a while, but eventually they'll get rid of LCD and I wonder what they'll do to differentiate between the "base" model and the top of the line.

I went for the Xs this time, but I'd like to go back to the usual price point (like the Xr) in 2 years when I'll upgrade my iPhone. If some of the features will trickle down to the "cheap" phone like dual camera or the OLED I'll be happy to save money
 
Sounds like this will be a hugely successful line. I'm even considering downgrading from my XS Max to an XR if they can't get their LTE reception/speeds figured out. I haven't had LTE speeds this bad since... well, since before LTE was even a thing. I thought the problem was overblown, but then I started noticing it more and more. It's bad.

I’m not sure I understand the reasoning here. Don’t both the XS Max and the XR have the same hardware WRT LTE? Why would one expect that the XR would be better given the same version of iOS?
 
The XR should of been the iPhone 7. The iPhone X should of been the iPhone 8. And the XS should of been the iPhone 8s.

The iPhone 7 and 8 were a waste of phones. Just another iPhone 6.
Apple probably sold 500M iPhone 7 and 8 combined.

You have to try to understand product development and cycle. You don’t just jump to the next thing every year. Everything has a cycle.
 
I think it will eventually. Not in the next couple of years, though. Everything is cyclical. This fad of big will wear out. They will also need something new to bring to the table design wise after a few years. Maybe we can get one then. I just got my new SE after seeing what apple has to offer.
It’s going to be a really hard sell for the average consumer who isn’t particularly looking for a smaller screen especially since for many people their phone is the only computer they use regulary
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I have got the 2019 iPhone Xs Mini primeur; oled edge to edge screen in an iPhone SE casing :D:D

#instantbuy

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So no selfies or biometrics to unlock your phone
 
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Massive is correct. It's a very big smartphone. And for (6S) 7, 8 Plus owners, the upgrade path isn't so great. PPI Downgrade, loss of 3D Touch and dual cameras. And outside of the US it is priced in the premium segment. I have trouble recommending this model to friends and family.
Funny this is the model I recommend most to friends and families. This will be a huge upgrade for my sister who is still using an iPhone 5c
 
Tim was finally able to shrink the amazing MacBook Air TN display to 6.1in. Simply groundbreaking!
 
Sounds like a clear winner for Apple and people looking for a more budget conscious iPhone. It's better than any Android phone out there also so I am anticipating it being a big seller with switchers also.

Uh, virtually every low-mid range Android phone comes with a 1080p screen.
 
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The XR should of been the iPhone 7. The iPhone X should of been the iPhone 8. And the XS should of been the iPhone 8s.

The iPhone 7 and 8 were a waste of phones. Just another iPhone 6.

Just... no. The 7 is one of the best phones Apple has made, and the 8 is a solid ‘s’ level upgrade of it.
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Uh, virtually every low-mid range Android phone comes with a 1080p screen.

Pixels is one thing. Quality is another.
 
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Uh, virtually every low-mid range Android phone comes with a 1080p screen.

The edge-to-edge display (with no chin) is what consumers are going to notice. The ppi is the same as iPhone 6s through 8, and the screen is brighter – these are the phones it will be compared to by upgraders.

Besides, the display is part of the reason the battery life on XR is longer than XS/Max.
 
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