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Wittgenstein's ruler: "Unless you have confidence in the ruler's reliability, if you use a ruler to measure a table you may also be using the table to measure the ruler." - The intention of the writing tells you more about the incentive of the writer than the content of the writing.
 
yes - you are missing the videos, which are objective - the interpretation is subjective!
see the difference - now?

If you start seeing the world that way, then everything is subjective, so thank you so much for lecturing me and for being the smart, wise macrumors member we all need.

The problem is that subjective or not, it is still an insurance company doing "research" on something they profit from in case the product breaks easily. It's like when real researchers are being paid by a tobacco company to prove that cigarets are healthy. Do you see the difference now?
 
Well it has a glass back so it will break if dropped. However if you have insurance which you should for such an expensive device you will be fine.
 
People broke 4/5 style phones too, people break things, that is why there is insurance.

iPhone 4 series had a fragile glass back. It didn't cost $500+ to fix when that broke. You have to question when the back of the XS costs signifcantly more to repair than the screen with its added electronic component.

I'm 6'4 and the likelihood of a 6 foot drop is zero unless I drop it from my nose. A ~4 ft drop is far more likely (from pull it out of your pocket, or dropp it from your waist where you normally hold a phone.

Speak for yourself. My ears are on my head not my waist. That's where I hold it when I take a call.
 
Apples repair costs for the rear glass brings the emperors new clothes story to mind.

It is shocking that Apple does not make the rear glass a cheap replacement. I guess Jony isn't a great designer after all.
 
That is the biggest concern for me. I buy an $1099 phone and I am expected to paid $549 when the back glasses broke? I mean the TCO ( Total cost of ownership ) has literally double or more from the iPhone 7 Plus era two years ago. You can buy an $199 Apple Care+ which pushes the phone to $1298, and for $256GB that is $1448.

I often wonder, at what sort of salary range are Apple targeting for iPhone Xs?
[doublepost=1537881176][/doublepost]Apple always targets the higher end of salary ranges for its devices. It is a premium smart phone manufacturer using the most advanced components and custom software -- and upper-end customers are willing to pay a premium for this sort of thing. This is why Apple is the number 3 smart phone manufacturer in the world in terms of units sold. They cater to the wealthy and those who want to look wealthy. The majority of smart phone users buy either a Samsung or a Huawei. If you are looking around and see that most of the people around you have an I-phone, it is because you are surrounded by the disproportionately rich.
 
Apples repair costs for the rear glass brings the emperors new clothes story to mind.

It is shocking that Apple does not make the rear glass a cheap replacement. I guess Jony isn't a great designer after all.

That’s subjective. But he did start the trend of glass back phones in 2010 with the iPhone 4 and the industry followed.

In 2017 apple introduced the iPhone X with a notch and now the industry has pivoted once more.

Isn’t that the mark of a true great designer?
he leads everyone else follows.
 
That’s subjective. But he did start the trend of glass back phones in 2010 with the iPhone 4 and the industry followed.

In 2017 apple introduced the iPhone X with a notch and now the industry has pivoted once more.

Isn’t that the mark of a true great designer?
he leads everyone else follows.

I know this is a bit off topic, but other phone manufactures didn't pivot just because Apple did it. They did it, becuase of the components that are needed in that area that can't have the screen covering it. So, they pivoted because of necessity and not becuase Apple.
 
iPhone 4 series had a fragile glass back. It didn't cost $500+ to fix when that broke. You have to question when the back of the XS costs signifcantly more to repair than the screen with its added electronic component.



Speak for yourself. My ears are on my head not my waist. That's where I hold it when I take a call.
But the DROPPING event won't be as likely when you're already holding your phone up to your ear. The dropping events are far more likely at waist level.

Don't talk on the phone with your shoulder holding the phone to your ear. All flagships are glass.
 
I know this is a bit off topic, but other phone manufactures didn't pivot just because Apple did it. They did it, becuase of the components that are needed in that area that can't have the screen covering it. So, they pivoted because of necessity and not becuase Apple.

Sure. That’s why everyone now has big notches even though they don’t have faceid hardware and even though they still have chin bezels.
 
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Sure. That’s why everyone now has big notches even though they don’t have faceid hardware and even though they still have chin bezels.
So, your saying that because apple has Face ID hardware, it's the reason for the notch? You are so wrong, how about all the other components that existed before Face Id, like the Proximity sensor, Ambient Light sensor, speaker, microphone, front camera just to name a few. They would have the Notch, just for those items as well. FaceID had nothing to do with the Notch. It was a result of moving to a OLED Edge to EDGE on all sides. They could not cover up any of those components. So, yes, everyone followed the same path, but not becuase of APPLE, becuase of the EDGE to EDGE design.
 
So, your saying that because apple has Face ID hardware, it's the reason for the notch? You are so wrong, how about all the other components that existed before Face Id, like the Proximity sensor, Ambient Light sensor, speaker, microphone, front camera just to name a few. They would have the Notch, just for those items as well. FaceID had nothing to do with the Notch. It was a result of moving to a OLED Edge to EDGE on all sides. They could not cover up any of those components. So, yes, everyone followed the same path, but not becuase of APPLE, becuase of the EDGE to EDGE design.
I am "so wrong" when I say that the reason Apple has the notch is Face ID? Really? Then why did they have no notch before face id? They always had a proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, speaker, mic and front camera. They never had a notch.

The thought processes of some people...
 
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I am "so wrong" when I say that the reason Apple has the notch is Face ID? Really? Then why did they have no notch before face id? They always had a proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, speaker, mic and front camera. They never had a notch.

The thought processes of some people...
Because they didn't have a full "EDGE TO EDGE" OLED screen (until the X). Name one iPhone (before the X)that has FULL EDGE TO EDGE screen, LCD or OLED. It didn't exist, and if it did, it would have the NOTCH, not becuase of FACEID, but because of all the other components that are in that area. DUDE, People might have followed apple on the full "EDGE to EDGE", but the notch is a result of that "EDGE TO EDGE", if Apple could design it out, they would have.
 
I know this is a bit off topic, but other phone manufactures didn't pivot just because Apple did it. They did it, becuase of the components that are needed in that area that can't have the screen covering it. So, they pivoted because of necessity and not becuase Apple.

I don’t know where you have been for the past year. But the industry pivoted to the notch.


Right.... they are not copying apple.
 
I am "so wrong" when I say that the reason Apple has the notch is Face ID? Really? Then why did they have no notch before face id? They always had a proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, speaker, mic and front camera. They never had a notch.

The thought processes of some people...

Apparently it’s a nessasity after iPhone found success with the notch. When the iPhone X launched, all those oems were making fun of apple.

Notch, chamfered egdges, no headphone jack.
Lost goes on.
 
I don’t know where you have been for the past year. But the industry pivoted to the notch.


Right.... they are not copying apple.

Right, I agree, they pivoted to the Notch becuase of "EDGE TO EDGE" screens. Not becuase APPLE has a NOTCH. Apple was just the FIRST. It was becuase they wanted EDGE TO EDGE screen (Like Apple), on all sides, you can't do that with out a NOTCH, at least not with todays technology. Anyway, you all keep drinking the cool-aid.
 
Right, I agree, they pivoted to the Notch becuase of "EDGE TO EDGE" screens. Not becuase APPLE has a NOTCH. Apple was just the FIRST. It was becuase they wanted EDGE TO EDGE screen (Like Apple), on all sides, you can't do that with out a NOTCH, at least not with todays technology. Anyway, you all keep drinking the cool-aid.

If they have a chin it’s not an edge to edge screen. Android oem have no need for a notch. It’s ok android oems copied apple.

You can claim as much ignorance as you want, all you have to do is go back and reread the posts on the forum when the x launched.

Hell you can Watch most of the android oems make fun of the notch before they copied it, poorly, because they left a chin. But hey you know otherwise.

Right...
 
I think six feet is an odd height to use for testing a phone drop. Very few people hold their phones over their head before they drop them.
Well that depends if you are 6 feet tall and drop it while using it as a phone or are 5 feet 5” and walk around with it above your head because you’re pretending to be 6 feet tall I suppose...
 
Right, I agree, they pivoted to the Notch becuase of "EDGE TO EDGE" screens. Not becuase APPLE has a NOTCH. Apple was just the FIRST. It was becuase they wanted EDGE TO EDGE screen (Like Apple), on all sides, you can't do that with out a NOTCH, at least not with todays technology. Anyway, you all keep drinking the cool-aid.

These phones have bezels! Big chins on the bottom! They didn't do this for functionality (edge to edge screen). They could have eliminated the notch and moved the bezel to the top. Instead they did it to copy apple.
 
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If they have a chin it’s not an edge to edge screen. Android oem have no need for a notch. It’s ok android oems copied apple.

You can claim as much ignorance as you want, all you have to do is go back and reread the posts on the forum when the x launched.

Hell you can Watch most of the android oems make fun of the notch before they copied it, poorly, because they left a chin. But hey you know otherwise.

Right...

These phones have bezels! Big chins on the bottom! They didn't do this for functionality (edge to edge screen). They could have eliminated the notch and moved the bezel to the top. Instead they did it to copy apple.

How about you take a STEP BACK, and take off your APPLE GLASSES, Just for a moment. Let's take Face ID out of the equation. Apple would still have a notch in it's phone. They wanted the screen to go edge to edge on all sides, period. You can believe all you want that these other phones copied the "NOTCH" because of the "NOTCH" all you want, I don't have a problem with that. Also, I never denied that they made fun of Apple's notch, never. All I am saying, is With or Without Face ID, the notch was coming, as a result of edge to edge display on all sides.

As for the other phones that have the notch, you are right, they could have had a smaller bezel at the top and bottom, but they did "COPY APPLE" in creating an EDGE to EDGE display on all sides. So, yes, they copied Apples path for that, the notch was just a by product of that design.

Ok, you can put your Apple Glasses back on......lol

OMG, why so serious, does it really matter? Do you have the Phone you like, then that is all that matters.
 
While of course it can happen I don’t see many people dropping the phone while talking into it. Most accidents seem to happen while picking it up or setting it down. I’ve never randomly let go of my phone while actively talking/listening


I agree. Most times I’ve dropped my phone I was trying to put my phone in my pocket however I have dropped it a time or two while multitasking and trying to carry my phone between my shoulder and ear.
 
That’s subjective. But he did start the trend of glass back phones in 2010 with the iPhone 4 and the industry followed.

In 2017 apple introduced the iPhone X with a notch and now the industry has pivoted once more.

Isn’t that the mark of a true great designer?
he leads everyone else follows.

Lots of people follow god like figures - enough said...
 
How about you take a STEP BACK, and take off your APPLE GLASSES, Just for a moment. Let's take Face ID out of the equation.

But that is the entire point of the notch, which refutes your entire premise.

Apple would still have a notch in it's phone. They wanted the screen to go edge to edge on all sides, period. You can believe all you want that these other phones copied the "NOTCH" because of the "NOTCH" all you want, I don't have a problem with that. Also, I never denied that they made fun of Apple's notch, never. All I am saying, is With or Without Face ID, the notch was coming, as a result of edge to edge display on all sides.

Uh-huh, don’t think any of that is right.

If the android oems has a notch in their roadmap, they wouldn’t have made fun of it.

You can say that, because after said oems have introduced their version of apples notch, they no longer make fun any the notched displays. If your premise were true they would still make fun of it. Fair is fair.

Of edge to edge was coming as you put and it was planned, they wouldn’t also have a chin, which requires a different display. Android oem were caught with their pants down. Next year you should start seeing, android handsets without a chin, because while the were reactive and copied the notch they couldn’t copy the curved oled screen at the bottom to élimante the notch.

So no currently android manufactures have edge to bezel display. Wouldn’t be accurate to call it edge to edge.

They even copied the camera module on the back and most are removing the headphone jack.

Was that planned as well.

As for the other phones that have the notch, you are right, they could have had a smaller bezel at the top and bottom, but they did "COPY APPLE" in creating an EDGE to EDGE display on all sides. So, yes, they copied Apples path for that, the notch was just a by product of that design.

Ok, you can put your Apple Glasses back on......lol

OMG, why so serious, does it really matter? Do you have the Phone you like, then that is all that matters.

So they android oems did copy after all?
Your going back and forth.


It’s about accuracy and misrepresentation, not seriousness as your feigning.
 
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