iPhone XS 'BeautyGate' Test Tricks Viewers to Challenge Preconceived Notions

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Following the launch of the iPhone XS and XS Max, owners began pointing out that the selfies captured on the new devices appear to apply a sort of smooth effect on the user's skin in certain lighting scenarios. This was quickly dubbed "BeautyGate," with some users accusing Apple of building the new iPhone models with an internal "beauty filter" for better-looking selfies that aren't 100% honest.


    In an effort to combat the BeautyGate claims, YouTuber Jonathan Morrison posted a series of selfies on Instagram and Twitter over the weekend. In captions, Morrison said these were captured on the Google Pixel 2's Portrait Mode, and asked his fans their thoughts on how the images came out, particularly if they were better than the iPhone XS.

    Commenters said that the images rivaled DSLR shots and that the Pixel 2 was still among the best smartphone cameras, based on the pictures. Some even commended Google for producing high-quality selfies without the need for having a so-called make-up effect, and argued that the Pixel 2 had the best Portrait Mode of any smartphone.

    After all of this, Morrison on Sunday revealed that both images were not taken on a Pixel 2, but instead captured on an iPhone XS Max.

    BeautyGate talk starts at around 3:00

    Still, Morrison explains that there is something happening on the front-facing cameras of the iPhone XS and XS Max, but it's not a beauty filter. Apple's latest smartphones take multiple pictures at varying exposure levels, requiring noise reduction that creates a smoothing effect over the entire image, not just on skin tones.

    Halide went into detail on the issue in a blog post last week:
    It's unclear if Apple will choose to decrease the amount of noise reduction on the front-facing cameras of the iPhone XS and XS Max as a result of the user complaints.

    Article Link: iPhone XS 'BeautyGate' Test Tricks Viewers to Challenge Preconceived Notions
  2. aevan macrumors 68030


    Feb 5, 2015
  3. AngerDanger, Oct 8, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2018

    AngerDanger macrumors 68040


    Dec 9, 2008

    This is the best thing I've read in a while. Will we see many Android users jump ship to get that DSLR quality? :rolleyes:
  4. Ds6778 macrumors 6502a


    Sep 9, 2016
    Well when your smartphone is your identity......
  5. Noiseboy macrumors regular

    Dec 25, 2002
    Lurking nearby.
    Well done Jonathon, excellent piece of work.
  6. Ebok macrumors regular

    Aug 22, 2018
    after the video was posted these fandroids were deleting their comments.

    absolutely hilarious. the hate for apple or even how far these losers go because you use a certain phone is astonishing. they need to get a damn life.
  7. macduke macrumors G3


    Jun 27, 2007
    Central U.S.
    Fanboyism at it's finest. The truth is you can't really go wrong with the cameras of the flagship models on either side these days. There are subtle differences between them and most people won't even be able to spot the differences.

    When I make a smartphone purchase I first consider privacy, then security, then consider the design/ease of using the operating system, then the speed of the hardware, and then the design of the device itself. It is my opinion that Apple leads in all of the categories that matter most to me, therefore I buy Apple hardware. It also integrates directly into macOS, which I use to make money every day. There are other devices out there that might have longer battery life, or faster LTE, but those aren't things that matter to me. My iPhone battery lasts well over a day, and using a content blocker most web pages load within a second or two.
  8. klunernet macrumors member


    Jul 14, 2011
    Hoorn, NL
    This is hilarious. And thus, the effect is what the rear camera has been doing for ages with HDR on. Multiple exposures stitched together. (And in general, pictures taken that way do look better, I use it a lot)
  9. mazz0 macrumors 68000


    Mar 23, 2011
    Leeds, UK
    Those people were very silly. Those photos certainly do make him look like he's wearing makeup, they were blinded by prejudice.
  10. Nunyabinez macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2010
    Provo, UT
    I used to be a working professional musician and studio engineer. I always laugh when I hear people whining about how bad lossy formats sound compared to CDs (which are themselves lossy when compared to master recordings.)

    Time and time again true ABX testing shows that it is extremely difficult to tell the difference and it can only be done on reference quality equipment with certain high dynamic range material like classical music.

    My dad one time humbled me when I said I can certainly tell the difference between margarine and butter. He got out 10 saltine crackers with either butter or margarine and gave them to me randomly. Damned if I couldn't consistently identify which was which.
  11. rmoliv macrumors 6502

    Dec 20, 2017
    I like his videos but there’s something wrong with his teeth.
  12. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    Don’t understand why Android fans have so much hate for Apple fans. This just proves it.

    Just use the devices you prefer, no need to bring people down for what devices they use.
  13. MysteryMii215 macrumors regular


    Jan 10, 2016
    NYC area
  14. a m u n macrumors newbie

    a m u n

    Aug 14, 2018
  15. c3po7 macrumors 6502


    Jun 10, 2017
    I'm not sure what others here at MacRumors think, but I look like a cartoon character in Selfie Portrait mode. I wouldn't mind Apple toning it down a bit. I love the depth effect, though.

    Also, if you aren't aware there's an App called Focos which allows you to take photos with the double lens camera with depth effect, and you can change the focus after the shot has been taken as well. It's a brilliant App.
  16. Ebok macrumors regular

    Aug 22, 2018
    They spend hours on Internet forums and searching for iPhone YouTube videos putting people down in the comments. They truly have nothing better to do.

    I don’t go on android videos and talk crap. I don’t care if you use an android, unless you’re my gf then you need some guidance in your life cause I don’t wanna see green when talking to you :p
  17. c3po7 macrumors 6502


    Jun 10, 2017
    Exactly! It's rather juvenile. And tbh I'm sick of seeing arguments break out online. In ten years time we'll probably forget all about these ridicules things. Total waste of energy.
  18. jesChexin macrumors newbie

    Mar 8, 2018
    I kind of love him for doing this. And Jonathon is so beautiful he definitely doesn’t need any beauty filter. :)
  19. BlindCinema macrumors newbie

    Sep 22, 2014
    --- Post Merged, Oct 8, 2018 ---
    Suck it Lewis Hilsenteger! (Unbox Therapy)
  20. c3po7 macrumors 6502


    Jun 10, 2017
    I agree with you completely. Other than the margarine and butter. I can definitely tell the difference. But then again, I do tend to have more margarine or butter than spread on my sandwiches.
  21. Sasparilla, Oct 8, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2018

    Sasparilla macrumors 6502a

    Jul 6, 2012
    Well said, it's important to remember there's also a good bit of astroturfing out there, as well as on this site (folks working for different vendors, Samsung was always a big one for this, pretending to be general users and attacking their competitors in comments of articles of competitors products).
  22. ender21 macrumors 6502


    Jul 15, 2010
    Southern Cal
    Funnily enough, before finishing the entire article, I looked at the first two pictures and thought "those look no better or worse than the XS."
  23. ignatius345 macrumors 68000

    Aug 20, 2015
    This is an interesting time for photography. The notion of what is a "photograph" is is always a moving target, and digital photography is no exception. There have always been layers of mediation between the original subject and the final produced image -- lenses, emulsions, chemical processes before, and image sensors and on-camera and post-processing in the digital age. And all of those things have specific intent behind them, are designed to produce a specific type of image that matches what people want to see. Digital photography is no exception, and we're just seeing the newest evolution of this now. Is anyone surprised that in an age of everyone projecting the most idealized version of themselves into the digital sphere, we are seeing cameras that smooth out the parts we don't want to see?
  24. sully54 macrumors regular


    Sep 15, 2012
    I’ve always enjoyed jonathan’s Videos. He’s one of the good ones out there.
  25. Scooz macrumors regular

    Apr 9, 2012
    Due to the visual nature of the displayed pictures, posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts. o_O

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