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I'm glad he showed the trolls up, but conversely you could do it the other way as well. I remember on these pages a few years back - maybe when Apple fans felt threatened for some reason - Samsung was getting irrational (maybe rational as well!) hate and would easily rile up commenters. I honestly don't get why you'd have massive allegiance to a company if you're an adult, unless you're invested in them personally. Perhaps this is like sports for people interested in consumer technology!

Thankfully I find the Macrumors team pretty mature, impartial and not hysterical, which should really be commended in these clickbait media times.
 
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after the video was posted these fandroids were deleting their comments.

absolutely hilarious. the hate for apple or even how far these losers go because you use a certain phone is astonishing. they need to get a damn life.

Android fans are as sheep as Apple. They just don't accept it. But everyone can see the truth
 
If that prank was played in reverse and posted here the same thing would happen.

I doubt it. With some exceptions, Apple fans tend to criticize and complain about a lot of things here from what I have seen. The Android community seems very toxic to me, not sure what on earth is wrong with them!! But is evident on every corner of the internet! So much hate! While Apple fans mostly just enjoy using what they use without giving to much crap what others think.
 
My dad one time humbled me when I said I can certainly tell the difference between margarine and butter. He got out 10 saltine crackers with either butter or margarine and gave them to me randomly. Damned if I couldn't consistently identify which was which.

I´d say that depends hugely on the type of butter used
 
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Don’t understand why Android fans have so much hate for Apple fans. This just proves it.

Just use the devices you prefer, no need to bring people down for what devices they use.

Is it any different on the Apple side ? I’ve been an Apple fan for over 30 years , and our fans are exactly the same . Run the same experiment the other way and you will see the hate from our fans. Since the launch of the iPhone, our fans have become just as juvenile.

This actually proves most people are clueless about the tech / facts and only look at the brand, just pathetic fanboyism which every company has.
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I doubt it. With some exceptions, Apple fans tend to criticize and complain about a lot of things here from what I have seen. The Android community seems very toxic to me, not sure what on earth is wrong with them!! But is evident on every corner of the internet! So much hate! While Apple fans mostly just enjoy using what they use without giving to much crap what others think.

Guess you have never visited the Mac forum, I’ve never seen so much hate for windows......still. Maybe we are reading different posts on MR. Both sides suffer from childish toxic fans
 
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Guess you have never visited the Mac forum, I’ve never seen so much hate for windows......still. Maybe we are reading different posts on MR. Both sides suffer from childish toxic fans

I rarely venture into Mac section. I would not say I hate windows. But there is something about it. At my workplace (we have over 600 HP PC's and all stuck at windows 7. I have used windows for round 10 years before I moved to Mac and never looked back because I had nothing but issues with it. Still, hate is something I do not feel towards it. Actually, do like the fact that Microsoft is getting into making hardware and some of their products (Like the surface Studio) look quite slick.
 
This is exactly what the article made me think of. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who can distinguish 128 kbit/s AAC, much less 256 kbit/s.
That said, with music it is quite possible that there is a difference, and the music "feels" better, but without experience you just can't put your finger on it; you can't say what the difference is, and why one recording sounds better, but you may still enjoy the higher quality recording more than the lower quality.
 
That's it...this current story has reached the limit on the use of "gate". Enough of the gate!! #gategate #stopthegate
[doublepost=1539090795][/doublepost]Is it me or does this guy look like Anime?
 
I don’t see many Apple fans go out of their way to troll Android forums or leave nasty comments all over the internet about Android.

The trolling behaviour is truly one-sided. If you don’t believe me, look at the pic actually taken by a Pixel 2 in Jonathan’s insta. You see any Apple fans bashing the Pixel? I don’t.
Yeah sure.
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If you actually look at online forums and YouTube videos you’ll see that android fans are the ones doing the most commenting. They go on apple product videos just to talk crap. You see it on android stuff too but it’s rare. Just search Apple related YouTube videos and then android related YouTube videos and see for yourself.
 
I rarely venture into Mac section. I would not say I hate windows. But there is something about it. At my workplace (we have over 600 HP PC's and all stuck at windows 7. I have used windows for round 10 years before I moved to Mac and never looked back because I had nothing but issues with it. Still, hate is something I do not feel towards it. Actually, do like the fact that Microsoft is getting into making hardware and some of their products (Like the surface Studio) look quite slick.

You come across as a rationale poster on here, though I’ve seen such irrational hatred towards a competitor in this case windows, from apple users , that makes these android fans comments tame in comparison.

I’m Mac OS as my preferred platform, not I’m not blind to the improvements that have come to windows since 7.
 
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If you actually look at online forums and YouTube videos you’ll see that android fans are the ones doing the most commenting. They go on apple product videos just to talk crap. You see it on android stuff too but it’s rare. Just search Apple related YouTube videos and then android related YouTube videos and see for yourself.
Yeah sure sure.
 
To counter this, I’m sick of those who deride others who can (or even think they can) tell the difference and want the extra quality. Those deriding often do so without knowing much about the studies to which they refer, or that there’s also research that shows the opposite; when even unwashed public listeners are trained to know what to listen for rates of positive identification increase. In one study, certain exceptional listeners could identify high-res audio as often as 80% of the time. Many of the studies that you’re referring to are old and some have been discredited. Yes, it’s not always easy or possible and it’s best to be able to rapidly switch between the same parts of tracks in the different qualities, but this in itself is not so easy to set up, especially because no two pieces of audio equipment are exactly the same.

But here’s the thing: I can usually (as in almost always) buy a digital copy of an album in true 16/44 for the same price or less than Apple’s 256 kpbs AAC, so why shouldn’t I? The argument that I shouldn’t makes even less sense than some wild generalisation that everyone can or can’t tell a difference! Not only that, I can usually buy the album in a higher-resolution format for around the same price or sometimes even less than Apple’s 256 kbps AAC. Just yesterday I bought an album in uncompressed 24/96 format for the same price Apple was charging for its version with less than 10% the data of the high-res version. And you’re implying I’m stupid for doing so? It doesn't matter how good the compression is, that amount is clearly audible (I've checked), and by having (essentially) the master, I can compress it myself if and when better compression algorithms come along. If you go to the high-res sites, the prices they charge are about the same as CD or “lossy” versions from elsewhere; sometimes slightly more but usually the same and sometimes even less. I haven’t bought anything from iTunes in years as a result.

Here’s the other thing, back in the day it wasn’t feasible for Apple to offer uncompressed music. They started out with lowly 128 kbps. Even back then I was ripping at 256 because hard drive space was at such a premium I couldn’t justify lossless. Nowadays, storage is cheap as chips and most people have fast, virtually unlimited download capacity. Even 1 TB of Apple’s super-fast SSD is within reach, so it’s not unreasonable to be able to devote 100 GB or more to music. Apple is way past the point they should’ve upgraded their store to ALAC. And I really mean way, way past. ALAC is only about three times bigger because of lossless compression anyway, so not much more than the jump from 128 to 256 kbps they achieved painlessly a decade or so ago.

I don't disagree that given the right environment, trained people can tell the difference. But most people are not listening on Crown amplifiers with Klipsch speakers in a tuned room. They are listening on phones with only decent DAC on inexpensive headphones in noisy environments. And much of the music people listen too has been compressed like crazy (meaning it lacks much dynamic range) so, with it all in your face you can't hear the trail off of a cymbal crash that might reveal artifacts from digital compression.

And part of my point is that if you switch back and forth, you might be able to say "A was lossy and B sounds crisper." But I guarantee you that if you went in blind and I played a piece of music for you and asked "Was that lossy or compressed." you would not get it right any more than chance.

My main library is all Lossless AAC taken from CDs and in a room with Polk Audio speakers for when I want a premium listening experience but most of the time I'm listening on my phone with AirPods and 256 AAC isn't going to sound worse than Lossless in that environment.
 
I used to be a working professional musician and studio engineer. I always laugh when I hear people whining about how bad lossy formats sound compared to CDs (which are themselves lossy when compared to master recordings.)

Time and time again true ABX testing shows that it is extremely difficult to tell the difference and it can only be done on reference quality equipment with certain high dynamic range material like classical music.

My dad one time humbled me when I said I can certainly tell the difference between margarine and butter. He got out 10 saltine crackers with either butter or margarine and gave them to me randomly. Damned if I couldn't consistently identify which was which.

Works with Wine as well, and Coffee for that matter. People overestimate their abilities. The truth is Wine that you pay more for must be better thus confirming your bias. Blind taste and you will determine which ones you like.
 
you're clearly blind. can't reason with android users whatsoever. good day.

If you say so.
You are clearly master visionary.

Anyway Pixel 2's camera is still better(especially the front camera).
 
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I count a total of 2 trolls. In any given thread on MR there is over a dozen and that’s on a good day. And on YouTube, over a hundred in each comment section. The ratio is heavily skewed in favour of Android trolls vs. Apple trolls.
You can count as many as you want and see what you want but that Docservlet user is one of the worst possible trolls you can find online and he's an Apple troll. I bet you wouldn't have believed he existed if I would just have described him.
And actually sites like Gsmarena, PhoneArena, BGR, Wccftech and so on are full of Apple trolls.
Also Apple trolls are the most persevering trolls I've seen online. There was a guy which followed an Android troll for more than a week serving an insult at every single comment that android guy wrote even if he was on ignore. Crazy, It's one of the most cringing things I've seen.
 
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(from~3:00)... So he posts a photo from a Pixel phone (or so he says) & the blind horde start gushing over it & trashing Apple.

Then he reveals it was taken by an iPhone. :eek:

I mean, this could easily have been done the exact opposite way & the Apple extremists may've reacted similarly, but I just admire the exposé here of those imature people who take their smart phone idolising to disturbing & irritating levels, whether they be for Android or Apple. :D
 
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