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I could see G3 coming in June. In the US almost every major city has G3 coverage. That is going to cover the largest share of the population. The US is BIG most of that land has a very low population density so the role out is going to take a while. It is going to start in the major cities and expand outward from there.

Apple knows there are a lot of people like me who will not even consider getting the iPhone until it goes G3. Also lets not forget a lot of people who own the iPhone will run out and get a new one when it goes G3.
 
3....G



ATT is ready for 3G coverage. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify their use of a non 3G phone now. I had a blackjack before the iPhone a year ago. I had 3G in LA and places around there. If I didn't, I had EDGE. Best of both worlds.
 
You're automatically allowed to renew a 2 year contract anyway. They wouldn't be doing us any favours by letting us start another few years over again.


Well yes, but after the 18months minimum contract users are apparantly, the the Uk anyway, able to use any o2 sim card, so they could switch to pay as you go, or a cheaper non-iphone contract which would mean Apple wouldn't be getting a share i suppose.
I'm sure Apple would see it perfect that those currently on an 18month contract would restart by buying a brand new phone a few months before they could switch to another contract, and restart the whole 18months again.
 
Well yes, but after the 18months minimum contract users are apparantly, the the Uk anyway, able to use any o2 sim card, so they could switch to pay as you go, or a cheaper non-iphone contract which would mean Apple wouldn't be getting a share i suppose.
I'm sure Apple would see it perfect that those currently on an 18month contract would restart by buying a brand new phone a few months before they could switch to another contract, and restart the whole 18months again.

I agree, if I had the iphone for 18 months after that 18 month period is over I have technically paid them (and then some) for the phone so it should become mine, unlocked and ready to go with another sim, cant see it happening though can you? The contract is something that could see the iphone struggle in the UK in my opinion.
 
Hope we wouldn't need to extend contract

I hope we wouldn't have to extend our contract for 2 years for a 3G phone. We're already on an iPhone plan so what would the difference be? Besides, unless you unlock/jailbreak you're stuck with ATT anyway. So once you're out of contract you can go month to month. When people upgraded to 16GB they didn't extend their contract. People on ATT do have iPhones on the prepay plan, albeit they do have problems with ATT coverage and network.

I don't have 3G coverage where I live so my concern is when it goes 3G, will it still have Wi-fi? If it does I'll upgrade in a heartbeat. If it doesn't I may just hang out a while.

As far as the contract goes, the iPhone isn't subsidized, so why should we HAVE to extend our contract.
 
Well yes, but after the 18months minimum contract users are apparantly, the the Uk anyway, able to use any o2 sim card, so they could switch to pay as you go, or a cheaper non-iphone contract which would mean Apple wouldn't be getting a share i suppose.

According to O2, even after 18 months, the iPhone is still not unlocked.

I don't have 3G coverage where I live so my concern is when it goes 3G, will it still have Wi-fi? If it does I'll upgrade in a heartbeat. If it doesn't I may just hang out a while.

Of course it will have wifi.

As far as the contract goes, the iPhone isn't subsidized, so why should we HAVE to extend our contract.

To all intents and purposes the iPhone is indeed subsidised. A portion of the contract money you pay every month goes to Apple.
 
I hope they maintain the non-G3 model. G3 really is an overrated pile of tosh, barely works indoors, eats battery power and isn't much of a speed bump over EDGE (and useless compared to WiFi). I would hate to be forced to upgrade at sometime in the future to a G3-only model.

Would it be able to run PowerPC apps natively though? ;)

Seriously, the iPhone needs 3G in europe. Those awesome internet features need bandwidth to do them some justice. My money is ready and waiting but they aren't getting it until the iPhone has 3G.
 
To all intents and purposes the iPhone is indeed subsidised. A portion of the contract money you pay every month goes to Apple.

True for the software, anyway.

The phone itself is yours once you buy it, even if you leave or never enter a contract. Therefore it is not considered subsidized.

Apple says the monthly payment is used to provide software updates. (This is part of their excuse as to why Touch owners must pay for the same stuff already developed for the phone.)

With the current 2.5+ million contract owners giving up perhaps $25 million a month, I think we deserve AMAZING updates. (No excuse for not having A2DP with all that cash coming in ;-)
 
Would it be able to run PowerPC apps natively though? ;)

Seriously, the iPhone needs 3G in europe. Those awesome internet features need bandwidth to do them some justice. My money is ready and waiting but they aren't getting it until the iPhone has 3G.

I have an iPhone (since Nov) and whilst it's ok with EDGE the coverage isn't very good with O2. The 3G coverage for O2 isn't that great either but adding it in on top of EDGE/GPRS) can't harm. EDGE and 3G are from different masts.

Don't even think that HSDPA is available on O2. That has very sparse coverage.

The phone itself is yours once you buy it, even if you leave or never enter a contract. Therefore it is not considered subsidized.

I still don't buy that angle. At the end of the contract, the phone is not yours to do what you like with.

Apple says the monthly payment is used to provide software updates. (This is part of their excuse as to why Touch owners must pay for the same stuff already developed for the phone.)

With the current 2.5+ million contract owners giving up perhaps $25 million a month, I think we deserve AMAZING updates. (No excuse for not having A2DP with all that cash coming in ;-)

Indeed. Apple say it goes to software updates but 1. they can say what they like and 2. I pay more in subsidy to Apple than the Touch users have paid in total for the updates.

In spirit the iPhone is subsidised.
 
I think they might release 3G iPhone in June. If not, maybe a could of months after. 3G is ready for the US. One criteria I need for 3G is that the battery life does NOT suck. That's the biggest obstacle for most phones at the moment. I believe Apple was going to release iPhone as a 3G device right off the bat, but they couldnt get the power management right, and settled for a stable and reliable 2G device instead. They've had a year to try and get it right.
 
stupid foreign date formats

I suppose it really does suck when most other countries (if not all of them), do it different.

I could make a comment about some foreign country calling a ball game 'football' where you mostly use your hands. The rest of the world has a game called football where the ball is round and you play it by kicking said ball with one's 'foot'.

It's a strange twisted world isn't it ;)
 
Europe has more 3G users than all the mobile users in the US put together

Source?

Or just banned for still being naive enough to believe anything Jobs says regarding reasons why something was done.

:D

Very true. I can't even understand the naivety of those who still believe that Apple was forced to charge $20 for the last iPod Touch update. Or those who still believe Jobs when he says Apple won't do something, or isn't interested in something, or doesn't see the point in something, or just sees something as a hobby. How many times does he have to flip-flop for one to get it?

(BTW, they could have included them in the first place and accounted for Touch revenue over 24 months like the iPhone and the Apple TV, but I can't blame them for knowing exactly how to milk their most loyal customers [they got me with .Mac])
 
What if its like AppleTV Take 2, where the software is upgraded across the board, but with minor changes. I would hope 3G+GPS, but I guess another price drop and possibly a 16GB->32GB line up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what Jobs said about the touch having more space because it doesn't have all the cell chips is BS, because the drives are the same size.
 
There wont be an iphone update soon, Why would apple update the iphone now? They would just piss off people that got one. I think there only will be an update people that got an iphone from day one contracts start to run out with AT&T.

Why? That doesn't make very good business sense AT ALL. Apple will release an updated phone with 3G THIS YEAR (as stated by Jobs and ATT multiple times) and will do it full well knowing that a large percentage of early adopters will buy the upgraded model on Day 1.
 
What if its like AppleTV Take 2, where the software is upgraded across the board, but with minor changes. I would hope 3G+GPS, but I guess another price drop and possibly a 16GB->32GB line up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what Jobs said about the touch having more space because it doesn't have all the cell chips is BS, because the drives are the same size.

why is that BS .... the touch has 2 16gb, and phone has 1 and a cell radio ...
 
Apple says the monthly payment is used to provide software updates.

That is a common misconception. Apple has never said that, in fact Apple has never officially discussed its revenue sharing agreement with AT&T. What Apple has said is that iPhone revenue is recognized over 24 months instead of at purchase. Apple TV is accounted for in the same fashion. This is why Apple TV updates are free even though there is no monthly or recurring charge.


Of course the whole thing is a lie anyway as I mentioned in an earlier post.
 
One thing we can not change is the fact that technology is always changing...

I would say wait.... as am I.

I have already waited since june 2007... how is 2-8 more months going to hurt?? It wont.

And when "iPhone2" comes out im sure the wait will be worth it :D
 
Would it be able to run PowerPC apps natively though? ;)

Seriously, the iPhone needs 3G in europe. Those awesome internet features need bandwidth to do them some justice. My money is ready and waiting but they aren't getting it until the iPhone has 3G.

Ok 3G I meant......and I disagree, I have been seriously unimpressed with 3G phones here in Europe, it isn't superfast, it doesn't work well indoors. When I got my iPhone I sat in my house on EDGE and my friend had his 3G phone I was downloading pages on Safari much faster than him and then his battery died. Also WiFi is available so many places and makes such a difference. I had a meeting cancelled today so had a spare hour, I popped into a local Coffee Shop, it had free WiFi and I watched last weeks Horizon on BBC iPlayer, I'm not sure I could have done that on a 3G phone without killing the battery....
 
OK, some things I'm gonna hit:

1) I don't think anybody truly knows all about the FCC approval thing. I sure as heck don't and think it's bunk if Citigroup is predicting a 2Q launch. These are people who swim in money for a living.

2) 3G is backward compatible. It's like going from the 100Mbps Ethernet to Gigabit, 802.11b/g to 802.11n, CD to DVD to Blu-ray, etc. It will be cheaper for Apple to make just the 3G units instead of having even more models with the old chipsets (which will probably be phased out by the manufacturer like Intel is doing with older C2D processors). This is why Apple doesn't make iPods in 50 different flavors per model.

3) I don't think Apple cares about you early adopters buying more iPhones when there are billions of us without one in the first place who are waiting for 3G, 32GB of storage, etc. before ponying out the dough. I've been holding out for this stuff ever since the price drop (which made them a much better value).

4) Yes, you for-ners are weird with your date formats, but I do like soccer and wonder why our football is "foot"ball :)
 
OK, some things I'm gonna hit:

1) I don't think anybody truly knows all about the FCC approval thing. I sure as heck don't and think it's bunk if Citigroup is predicting a 2Q launch. These are people who swim in money for a living.
I agree. It definetly coming soon. Mobile phones operate a yearly update schedule, unlike iPods or computers. Its a fast moving market...

2) 3G is backward compatible. It's like going from the 100Mbps Ethernet to Gigabit, 802.11b/g to 802.11n, CD to DVD to Blu-ray, etc. It will be cheaper for Apple to make just the 3G units instead of having even more models with the old chipsets (which will probably be phased out by the manufacturer like Intel is doing with older C2D processors). This is why Apple doesn't make iPods in 50 different flavors per model.
Yep. Edge is comparable to dial-up... Also, I don't know about you guys, but I sure would want this $400 I paid for to be faster than a $99 phone.

3) I don't think Apple cares about you early adopters buying more iPhones when there are billions of us without one in the first place who are waiting for 3G, 32GB of storage, etc. before ponying out the dough. I've been holding out for this stuff ever since the price drop (which made them a much better value).
Same here. I want 3G, MMS, video-recording, you know, things that are available on $99 phones.

4) Yes, you for-ners are weird with your date formats, but I do like soccer and wonder why our football is "foot"ball :)
I looked and came up with this:

WikiAnswers said:
Why It's Called Football
Some might say, simply, "because they kick the football."

But the real story is deeper. The origin of American football is in the history of the world's most popular sport: soccer. When soccer -- more universally known as "football" (which of course makes sense because soccer players use their feet) -- players decided to change their centuries-old game with restrictions such as the no-use-of- hand rules, people who disliked this broke away to create rugby. In the states we have created our own version of the game under the same old name "football" with more of a rugby style, the whole time forgetting why we call it that.

Here are other answers:

American football is a derivative of rugby football, and while the feet are used more often in rugby than on the gridiron, much of the game is still played by handling the ball. Both variations are still considered football.
North America style football didn't used to allow the "forward pass" and much more of the play involved foot work, such as the "drop kick" and the running punt kick. In the first rules, only the " side pass" was allowed, as long as the two players were side by side, with no forward motion of the ball, similar to rugby rules. The Canadian Football League ( CFL ) still allows a drop kick to score a field goal, and also has a thing called a "rouge" when the kicker is able to kick the ball thru the end zone, so it lands out of play , it is worth 2 points. Both the NFL and the CFL still have the drop-kick available as a weapon - on the point-after-touchdown, or from the field for 3 points. The "rouge" is worth a single point here in Canada.
 
I keep trying to buy an iPhone only to run into yet another person whose phone won't work in enough places to make them love the device but hate the phone. Of course it is not the phone, but Apple married ATT and it is horrible. I was waiting for 3G hoping there would be enough improvements in ATT's network as well. I live in a very affluent area in Southern California where there is a huge market for pricey devices. Apple is really missing the boat. I would love to hear there is some reason to hope things will improve.
 
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