What that means is that the processing that occurs on the photo that is upsetting people is applied to the photos BEFORE an app can access the photo. So it doesn't matter if you buy a third-party app or not. They're still receiving the same messed up photo you get with the default app. Third-party apps don't have a way to get around that. They don't have direct access to the sensor.
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iPhone6, worst camera experience
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What that means is that the processing that occurs on the photo that is upsetting people is applied to the photos BEFORE an app can access the photo. So it doesn't matter if you buy a third-party app or not. They're still receiving the same messed up photo you get with the default app. Third-party apps don't have a way to get around that. They don't have direct access to the sensor.
but does manually adjusting the shutter speed, white balance and exposer using something like camera+ not have any impact on the photo?
It does depending on how those settings translate into commands. Internally these images have to be interpolated and quantized in some way from sensor data to produce an RGB image. If the exposure is in fact a setting that is applied through analog means, it makes a bigger difference. In some cases it may be applied via an offset to to the captured data. White balance is also applied relatively early, which makes it more powerful than simple adjustments within a typical app. You can still lose information depending on how processing is applied.
You don't really know unless you know the full path that data has taken and what has been applied to it. A common loss of detail is actually in signed profile connection space values, which contrary to some misconceptions do represent real data (people conflate radiometric and quasi-perceptual models).
TLDR it's hard to know for sure without testing.
Well, I went to the Apple Store today and clearly showed multiple Apple employees the difference between the 6 and the 5s with this oil painting crap. I know it's the software so I took some photos in the store on their stock 6's and 5s. I showed the employees basically a picture of the leg of a table, slightly zoomed in so even their blind eyes could see the issue. All I got from them was, "Well, since this is the same on the every iPhone 6 and 6+, it is not a problem with the phone. This is what quality you should be getting with the 6." Keep showing them the 5s being better, and they keep standing by the, "Since all of the iPhone 6's have the same quality, it is not a problem, it is just your taste." I told them to pay closer attention to pictures they take.
I ended up talking to a few people about to upgrade to the 6 and showed them pictures, showed them this website, showed them another thread where everyone was having the same problems. I left before knowing if they brought the problem up to other employees or not.
Anyways, I went to the AT&T store and spoke with the store manager and some of the employees. Every single one of them could see the problem. One of them even said he had noticed it on some of the selfies he had taken. Thankfully, even though I was over the 14-day return policy, they let me exchange my 64GB iPhone 6 for a 32GB iPhone 5s. Props to the store manager for seeing how clueless the Apple Store was.
I ended up talking to a few people about to upgrade to the 6 and showed them pictures, showed them this website, showed them another thread where everyone was having the same problems. I left before knowing if they brought the problem up to other employees or not.
Anyways, I went to the AT&T store and spoke with the store manager and some of the employees. Every single one of them could see the problem. One of them even said he had noticed it on some of the selfies he had taken. Thankfully, even though I was over the 14-day return policy, they let me exchange my 64GB iPhone 6 for a 32GB iPhone 5s. Props to the store manager for seeing how clueless the Apple Store was.
most apple store employess are not authorized to allow returns outside the 14 day window
did you show the apple store employees that 36 page thread with all amazing looking pictures?
I knew they wouldn't allow returns at the Apple Store. I went in their to basically show them there is an issue. I did this before going to the AT&T store to have proof that I went to the Apple Store already and they were useless.
I showed them this thread
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1790221/
Also, in that 36-page thread that you are talking about, the outdoor images seem good, but if you pay attention to the details, they are smudgy and blotchy as well. There were some taken on that thread that look flat out terrible, especially the ones with indoor lighting.
still comes down to preference, the point I was making by using that thred is there people that are thrilled with the pictures it takes, so much so they are showing them off to others
keep in mind the photos post might be downgraded in resolution depending on the file hosting site used
Right, and some people don't have the attention to detail that others do. I'd prefer my photos to have more detail, even if becomes a tad grainy in low light, than to be blotchy and downright ugly.
Camera+ (and every other app on the app store) gets the same image from the sensor. It doesn't matter that it's TIFF or full res. It's still beginning with a crappy photo. Pictures taken with Camera+ will exhibit the same issues as the regular camera app. If you have Camera+ (I do), you can test this yourself.
tiff format does not make anything better on the iphone.
ALL apps get the picture AFTER it's been processed by apple's software.
The fact that people are happy with the photos they are taking has absolutely no correlation to the quality of pictures they're taking.
One example just off the top of my head, they may not notice the issue because they're not as picky about the pictures they're taking. They might still be getting bad photos and just don't care or realize there is an issue.
Just because someone "thinks" they took a good picture does not in any way imply that they actually did.
The 6 has overly aggresive NR and contrast problems. It helps with certain scenes but others fall flat, and once you see the problem you can never unsee it.
Nice thing is, you can fix everything but the NR in post processing.
My guess is they tried to squeeze too much out of what is essentially the same sensor as in the iPhone 5.
Edit: one more thing. This never would have happened under Jobs. He would have seen it early enough to fix it.
Nice thing is, you can fix everything but the NR in post processing.
My guess is they tried to squeeze too much out of what is essentially the same sensor as in the iPhone 5.
Edit: one more thing. This never would have happened under Jobs. He would have seen it early enough to fix it.
By default, every photo any digital camera takes gets processed before any software, even third party, is allowed to access it. Even when you use a third party app to take a pic, its still getting processed by apple's software first, which is the step that causes all these problems in the first place.
Actual cameras meant to be cameras will often give you the option to adjust how much noise gets reduced, or how much the contrast gets adjusted. There's no reason apple cant give us (or third parties) the same options, they just choose not to.
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Yeah, bough 6 too and I noticed at once the painting effect in every photo, especially portraits, skin, eyes. Perfectly lit daylight scenes, unbelievable. It's much worse then a 5s. I am in a 14 days period and I think i will sent it back. Who agreed to such a over processed and pushy noise reduction in scenes which don't need it? crazy.
Disagree on a bad 6 camera. I have shot a lot of pics in my time. One day, I brought my Fuji X100 to do scenery shots and used the phone to make duplicate pics of the same scenes. Phone held its ground in general. Fuji kicked the phone's butt in minute detail, file size and image editing latitude, as one would expect.
No, yesterday I took thesame portrait photo in a store with 5s and 6 to campare. The difference ie with face/skin processing is very visible. In the normal preview it seems that 6 is doing better job, photos seems sharper but in 100% view its much worse as too much noise reduction is applied. It's just kind of LIE for any person who has a bit of elementary photography knowledge. It's like "lets keep the old camera, but let simple people think that it is better, apple must improve". The 5s photo is editable, u can sharpen it if you want, u can reduce noise as well, as much as u really wish and as much as scene needs it (actually, in daylight, there is no reason to do it, and u should't in order to keep the good quality). With 6 there is no going back from painting effect, you just lost data, pixels etc." The painting effect could be ok in high iso shoots but not with ISO 32 with perfect lighting. I had a lot of experience with professional cameras/photography and I was really happy with 5s camera (as a mobile,phone camera of course) but the processing which they use in 6 is really disappointing.
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I think the pictures look pretty good considering what it is.
I feel I have to point out that this is a camera on a mobile phone and you are not going to get DSLR quality photographs off a camera phone with such a small optical lens. Every photo you have shared looks perfectly satisfactory as far as I am concerned. In fact I think it demonstrates how far phones have evolved in this field. I think your expectations are a little high and if you want brilliant depth of field and less noise in each photograph then invest in a camera with a large optical lens built for more than being a convenient point and shoot.
That's the only way to make a fair comparison
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Are you absolutely sure the app has not direct access to raw data ?
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Again, are you saying that based on what documentation?