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To most people MMS is stupid/expensive, when an Email will suffice.

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That's a *very* American centric view, and apple probably have the same view (hence they didn't include it).

In Europe it is very popular.
 
yeah, cant find that, got a link for the mms app, i cannot seem to find it either? thanks

Same here, can't find it either.

*Edit - found it, doesn't seem as though it is enough of a step forward for me to install it. Hopefully SwirlyMMS will make an appearance in the app store.
 
...Wow, I want to live in whatever future society you live in! Newsflash, while MMS is common nowadays, it is by no means guaranteed (my last phone released in 2007 didn't do it either), and it's very common for cell phones to not support all bluetooth protocols, and it's almost rare for a cell phone to support video.

I'm wondering what historic society you're living in if you find video recording as a rare feature in phones? I picked up a catalogue when passing my local phone shop today and it had 21 handsets from various manufacturers in it. All 21 supported video recording, as well as MMS messaging and several bluetooth profiles including OBEX.

I agree that ultimately it is the fault of the shopper if they don't spend considerable time researching the product before they buy it, but realistically in this day and age I can't bring myself to blame him for assuming that these features would be included, especially in a phone at this price point.

The fact of the matter is that the iPhone is a phone with very few features, but the ones it does have are particularly polished. The lack of MMS seems to be just a sign of Apples lack of research in foreign phone markets. Sure its not big in the states but its a major revenue stream for networks in most of the rest of the world.

The lack of bluetooth file transfer support is clearly Apple trying to squeeze every last penny they possibly can from their customers by severely limiting where they can get their music from. Your choices are the mobile iTunes store, or iTunes on your computer. Thats it! To hell with any of the other uses of bluetooth. I didn't see Nokia remove bluetooth from their new phones since their music store went live.

Just out of curiosity, was the phone you bought in 2007 without MMS the original iPhone by any chance?
 
That's a *very* American centric view, and apple probably have the same view (hence they didn't include it).

In Europe it is very popular.
No, it's not a very "American" point of view. It's a non-phone centric point of view. Email is what most people use to send pictures and it is arrogant to expect everyone to be able to view or even want to view MMS on their phone where they could be charged extra for it.

Get with the program. MMS is so last century.
 
it is arrogant to expect everyone to be able to view or even want to view MMS on their phone where they could be charged extra for it.

Get with the program. MMS is so last century.

Yet its not arrogant to assume that everyone has or wants access to email on their phone?
 
i totally agree with the post but then again man the ranting is just not stopping people seriously review the product more and more so you know what your buying compare and contrast or go to cnet or something but i totally agree this phone is locked down but i still love it ;)
 
when you buy a car, do you check to see if it has headlights?

wah, wah, wah.
Doesn't really prove the point in your favour! It's a car: of course it has headlights. It's a phone that advertises bluetooth as a feature: of course it has... Oh no, wait, it doesn't. It only has a faint whiff of bluetooth.

I agree, it makes absolutely no sense to lock down the bluetooth functionality in the way it is currently. Apple were one of the biggest proponents of Bluetooth a few years ago. And now they're only putting in some nobbled version of it into their flagship product. They have bluetooth in all of these amazing computers they produce, and yet it doesn't work with their own phone. It's plain stupid.
 
Doesn't really prove the point in your favour! It's a car: of course it has headlights. It's a phone that advertises bluetooth as a feature: of course it has... Oh no, wait, it doesn't. It only has a faint whiff of bluetooth.

I agree, it makes absolutely no sense to lock down the bluetooth functionality in the way it is currently. Apple were one of the biggest proponents of Bluetooth a few years ago. And now they're only putting in some nobbled version of it into their flagship product. They have bluetooth in all of these amazing computers they produce, and yet it doesn't work with their own phone. It's plain stupid.

Bluetooth works absolutely fine on the iPhone. Nothing to complain about here! Next!

- So your using it to..... share music? It's easier using a computer.
- Use a ringtone? http://audiko.net/
- Send a picture? Email?

The bluetooth function is mainly used for headsets nowadays anyway.

oh, and the occasional bluejacker. lol.
 
Yet its not arrogant to assume that everyone has or wants access to email on their phone?
I think you missed my point that not everyone has a cellphone let alone one that supports MMS. Some people are perfectly happy with a simple cellphone without a camera, no polyphonic ringtones and a monochrome LCD screen.

It is more likely that even those people will have access to some sort of email via a computer of their own or through cyber cafes.
 
I think you missed my point that not everyone has a cellphone let alone one that supports MMS. Some people are perfectly happy with a simple cellphone without a camera, no polyphonic ringtones and a monochrome LCD screen.

It is more likely that even those people will have access to some sort of email via a computer of their own or through cyber cafes.

I personally would like to have the choice though, not have it dictated to me by Apple.

I think quite often when people are having the MMS/Email debate they overlook the fact that they are two completely different things in the first place. An MMS is more of a presentation than a simple page with a picture on it. It allows you the ability to include music/sound and video also, and to present it in an interesting way, i.e. timings for items, effects, etc.

Email simply doesn't have the same facilities. Sure its a method which lets us acomplish the sending of pictures, but that's not what MMS is all about.

Another point is that when I send said message I want people to receive it straight away, which is how it will work with an MMS. With an email there is no guarantee that the person I'm sending it to has email set up on their phone, let alone push email. I would say that only about 3% of people that I know have an email account set up on their phones, and they are the technically minded people. Now if you asked me how many people I know have an MMS enabled handset I'd have to say at least 70% bare minimum!

One last thing, if MMS was not such an important feature to us consumers then there wouldn't be so many people complaining about the iPhone not having it, or going on about it at every sniff of a firmware update. These forums prove how important it is for a lot of people.
 
Bluetooth works absolutely fine?

>>>Bluetooth works absolutely fine on the iPhone. Nothing to complain about here! Next!

>>>- Send a picture? Email?

>>>The bluetooth function is mainly used for headsets nowadays anyway.

Like I said in the original post, it doesn't work well enough for me, for a $1000 phone. Say I want to send wallpapers to my GF's phone...can't do it. I find this a bit less than the "absolutely fine" you claim, with nothing to complain about. Oh, and HER phone doesn't access email, so if I want to send her a picture...she has to wait to go home and check her email? This seems a step backwards, when I could easily MMS it to her. Also, as I said earlier, I RARELY have wifi to check email on my iPhone, and it doesn't have MMS...so am I missing something? Are you suggesting I need to sign up for some "access the internet" through my iphone data package? Remember, I am not in the states, I am a soldier overseas and all I have is basic 3G/Edge signal, using a basic SIM card and I buy prepaid minutes.
 
Are you suggesting I need to sign up for some "access the internet" through my iphone data package?


Do you have the data package? If so, you should be able to get email through your data package. Can you run Safari and surf the web? It should just work with your email, too. If you don't have a data package, how did you get out of that part of the contract?

Remember, I am not in the states, I am a soldier overseas...

Thank you for your service! I really appreciate it.:)
 
the thing that cheeses me off about this debate is that the solution is really very simple- if MMS, music/file transfer through Bluetooth, cut & paste and any other features that the iPhone lacks are what somebody is looking for, than the iPhone isn't the phone for them.

i mean, if you are going to spend anywhere from $200 to a $1000 for the iPhone (depending on size and subsidy or contract) and you haven't checked to see if it does the things you want it too, than i'm sorry, it just isn't Apple's fault. it's up to you, the consumer, to do your research before you drop the money on something that ultimately won't live up to your needs.

i understand people wanting a certain feature-set or not understanding why "common" features aren't included in the iPhone, but it is what it is. if you want something else, there's a million other cell phones out there...
 
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