iPhone's OS X Less than 500MB, Flash vs Hard Drive

[Bosunsfate]

No 3rd Party Support - Get Real

Enough of the complaints about 3rd party support.

For one, get the facts straights...there will be 3rd party products for the iPhone...

All we have to do is look at the iPod and see what life with the iPhone will be about.

The success of the iPod was not just the design, usuability, and the functions ...there was a large component due to 3rd Parties....

In two years time there will be 1000's of 3rd party products for the iPhone...

Enjoy the ride becuase its only getting better out there!

 

[Rocketman]

Exactly. By building a chinese wall (sandbox), or hell, like you say, running a seperate instance of OSX with access to all comms + storage, there would be no possibility of damaging the built-in or approved apps.

In fact, why not just sandbox unapproved (unsigned) apps, while signed apps are 'let in'?

I proposed something like this in another thread (I forget which one, there have been so many) and I really can't see how difficult it can be.

BTW, ATN is hereby adopted as my moniker for this device. Let's see how far this meme spreads. P'haps it will reach SJ, and he'll see how we view it.

Thanks everyone for your positive comments.

I do agree it would be handy for the world at large to "adopt" the term ATN=Apple Tablet Nano since it is literally descriptive of what it is. It could even appeal to general media and financial outlets since it does expose the vision of the device despite the closed releases of Apple itself.

I suspect Steve himself would choose not to confirm or deny things like this, but hey, I have been by his house before, perhaps he wants to invite me over for tea and chat. I would of course immediately insist he "fly a rocket" before I would "spill the beans".

Fun aside, this ATN (iPhone) is a new "platform", exactly like the Macintosh was a platform. Look how many Macs there have been and how many apps it has spawned. It is mindboggling.

I agree with Steve. This new announcement is one of those once in a lifetime things. He had had quite a prolific lifetime indeed!

Apple I: The first personal computer kit
Apple II: The first personal computer, became downright popular and dominated schools.
Macintosh: The first graphics centric, mouse pointing, consumer personal computer. Dominated the printing and media markets.
NeXT: Used for, among other things, to literally invent the "World Wide Web". Okay, and Doom.
iPod: As Steve said, not only reinvented the MP3 player but also the music industry itself.
iTunes: secure micro-transaction sales of songs, books, podcasts, TV shows, movies, internationally. Gift cards available in retailers worldwide.
"iPhone" (ATN): The -new- internet appliance with full desktop class applications. That's all.

Rocketman

 

[blueflame]

Make or break deal

The only make or break for me is the exclusion of ichat mobile? hwy did they not bundle aim, or video conferencing. I feel like apple has the exclusivity to do it right, and they just didnt. im just curious, were there legal reasons? there shouldnt be a physical reason, they have the camera, wifi and OS with hardware powerful enough to decode h.264. WHY didnt they ad video chat or any chat really?
Andreas

 

[Porchland]

The iPhone is definitely a foreshadowing of things to come for iPod. I think you could easily bet on the fact we will see a full on touch screen, widescreen iPod video this year.

I think you're exactly right. Death to the click wheel.

And with the technology obviously in place already with the iPhone and the Beatles Easter eggs at the Macworld keynote, I think we'll see a music event soon.

 

[Zadillo]

I think you're exactly right. Death to the click wheel.

And with the technology obviously in place already with the iPhone and the Beatles Easter eggs at the Macworld keynote, I think we'll see a music event soon.

Well, I think that is something that remains to be seen. There is something nice about the physical click wheel, and it may still be preferable in some cases.

I think Apple has taken the right approach though to come up with new touchscreen specific interfaces for the music playing on the iPhone (and presumably a widescreen video iPod of the future). There had been rumors about a "virtual clickwheel", but it's smarter to come up with the new interface elements they did.

 

[barnaby]

I'm still not convinced that the iPhone is running anything but an OS X lookalike. I doubt it's so much a question of what's left out as what's included. And when you start to build up what you need rather than strip down what you don't, I have no trouble believing they could get it down to well under 500 MB.

There is probably a substantial amount of OS X codebase there. The problem with having a separate system is that updates to one don't effect the other.

I've never had a cellphone with multitasking. Even my PDA doesn't do it. But the iPhone claims to be able to download email while browsing. That's not saying it'll be running universal binaries. But there's a lot under the hood they'll have in common.

This will be good news, because maybe we'll get updates to cover flow to do what the iPhone does.

 

[barnaby]

Thanks everyone for your positive comments.

I do agree it would be handy for the world at large to "adopt" the term ATN=Apple Tablet Nano since it is literally descriptive of what it is. It could even appeal to general media and financial outlets since it does expose the vision of the device despite the closed releases of Apple itself.

I suspect Steve himself would choose not to confirm or deny things like this, but hey, I have been by his house before, perhaps he wants to invite me over for tea and chat. I would of course immediately insist he "fly a rocket" before I would "spill the beans".

Fun aside, this ATN (iPhone) is a new "platform", exactly like the Macintosh was a platform. Look how many Macs there have been and how many apps it has spawned. It is mindboggling.

I agree with Steve. This new announcement is one of those once in a lifetime things. He had had quite a prolific lifetime indeed!

Apple I: The first personal computer kit
Apple II: The first personal computer, became downright popular and dominated schools.
Macintosh: The first graphics centric, mouse pointing, consumer personal computer. Dominated the printing and media markets.
NeXT: Used for, among other things, to literally invent the "World Wide Web". Okay, and Doom.
iPod: As Steve said, not only reinvented the MP3 player but also the music industry itself.
iTunes: secure micro-transaction sales of songs, books, podcasts, TV shows, movies, internationally. Gift cards available in retailers worldwide.
"iPhone" (ATN): The -new- internet appliance with full desktop class applications. That's all.

Rocketman

don't forget Pixar. He is the CEO of that too.

 

[Stella]

You have fallen for Steve's RDF, tragically.

Name me ONE , just ONE application on a smartphone that has crashed a cellular network. His quote is a pity-ful excuse. I've never had an app that forced the cellphone to crash in mid call.

MS Office interoperability - Virus checker.
Crap. ALL office suites on smartphones do need virus checkers for the reason you give. Smartphones do not need virus checkers full stop. The only viruses out there are very rare and hard to infect.

Your last point: sigh, once again, Apple shouldn't be comparing this against smartphones.

Apple don't stop 3rd party software / widgets on OSX just in case it may crash your computer. Its all about control, the usual, for Apple.

"You don't want your phone crashing or freezing in the middle of a call or text message just because you have loaded a new app into your phone".


MS Office interoperability: Virus checker anyone? 'nuff said.

Primarily it's a phone, and as such we want it to be rock solid without all the other bells and whistles mucking things up.

To the above poster, plenty of smartphones multi-task, nothing new there with iPhone.

 

[Zadillo]

You have fallen for Steve's RDF, tragically.

Name me ONE , just ONE application on a smartphone that has crashed a cellular network. His quote is a pity-ful excuse. I've never had an app that forced the cellphone to crash in mid call.

MS Office interoperability - Virus checker.
Crap. ALL office suites on smartphones do need virus checkers for the reason you give. Smartphones do not need virus checkers full stop. The only viruses out there are very rare and hard to infect.

Your last point: sigh, once again, Apple shouldn't be comparing this against smartphones.

Apple don't stop 3rd party software / widgets on OSX just in case it may crash your computer. Its all about control, the usual, for Apple.



To the above poster, plenty of smartphones multi-task, nothing new there with iPhone.

My Palm OS Treo Smartphone can't multitask to any degree that I've ever seen. I certainly can't do anything else with it while I'm on a call, and I can't switch to my web browser while using my GPS program, for example.

-Zadillo

 

[Rocketman]

You have fallen for Steve's RDF, tragically.

No, I agree, you are right. I have fallen for it.

Sorry.

I apologize.

Rocketman

 

[Asar]

You have fallen for Steve's RDF, tragically.

Name me ONE , just ONE application on a smartphone that has crashed a cellular network. His quote is a pity-ful excuse. I've never had an app that forced the cellphone to crash in mid call.

MS Office interoperability - Virus checker.
Crap. ALL office suites on smartphones do need virus checkers for the reason you give. Smartphones do not need virus checkers full stop. The only viruses out there are very rare and hard to infect.

Your last point: sigh, once again, Apple shouldn't be comparing this against smartphones.

Apple don't stop 3rd party software / widgets on OSX just in case it may crash your computer. Its all about control, the usual, for Apple.



To the above poster, plenty of smartphones multi-task, nothing new there with iPhone.

i dont know about crashing, but shielding has truth to it. i have a smartphone, and while running SNES emulator, the phone gives off a high pitch noise through the speaker, even when the phone is on silent! could be them controlling, could be safety, but bottom line, these issues do exist.

 

[uNext]

tHE IpHone is piece of attractive ****

My god people just keep finding excuses for the iphone.

There is nothing revolutionary like many of you thought. Mac os x lite wow
cant claim it an os and dont have 3rd party supoprt that every os have.

Come on the RDF owns you. Slap your self and wake up the iPhone is nothing impressive
and lacks many features, I really dont see how somebody can beta test for apple or even spend 600 bucks
for a crippled PHONE where its main feature is not even that. If it was it would be considered a smartphone with 3rd party support to enhance its phone features. Apple is trying to create a new genre of phones but all i see, a big hype and nothing spectacular
a jack of all trades but useless.

The no removable battery part kills me lol on a 600 phone lol

i can just see it.

customer walks in to apple store.......(END USER) my phones battery is not holding a charge and it dies quick.......(GENIUS)..OK we will have to send it out for repair at out state of the art iphone factory..(END USER) so what do i do? i cant be without a phone....(Genius)...no problem here is a lender....(END USER) but i need my contacts and important notes and messages how do i transfer it to tghe lender....(GENIUS) hmmmmmmm...

lol just plain stupid on apples part

let the excuses start.

 

[uNext]

Enough of the complaints about 3rd party support.

For one, get the facts straights...there will be 3rd party products for the iPhone...

All we have to do is look at the iPod and see what life with the iPhone will be about.

The success of the iPod was not just the design, usuability, and the functions ...there was a large component due to 3rd Parties....

In two years time there will be 1000's of 3rd party products for the iPhone...

Enjoy the ride becuase its only getting better out there!

Wow accesory and software is completely diffrent.
yes the ipod had major 3rd party support but on software o improve it?
did i miss something?

 

[Zadillo]

tHE IpHone is piece of attractive ****

My god people just keep finding excuses for the iphone.

There is nothing revolutionary like many of you thought. Mac os x lite wow
cant claim it an os and dont have 3rd party supoprt that every os have.

Come on the RDF owns you. Slap your self and wake up the iPhone is nothing impressive
and lacks many features, I really dont see how somebody can beta test for apple or even spend 600 bucks
for a crippled PHONE where its main feature is not even that. If it was it would be considered a smartphone with 3rd party support to enhance its phone features. Apple is trying to create a new genre of phones but all i see, a big hype and nothing spectacular
a jack of all trades but useless.

The no removable battery part kills me lol on a 600 phone lol

i can just see it.

customer walks in to apple store.......(END USER) my phones battery is not holding a charge and it dies quick.......(GENIUS)..OK we will have to send it out for repair at out state of the art iphone factory..(END USER) so what do i do? i cant be without a phone....(Genius)...no problem here is a lender....(END USER) but i need my contacts and important notes and messages how do i transfer it to tghe lender....(GENIUS) hmmmmmmm...

lol just plain stupid on apples part

let the excuses start.

Get over yourself.

Again, the iPhone is their first entry. Would you criticize the first Handspring Treo, or the first Windows Mobile smartphones (not to even discuss the current ones)?

All sorts of phones lack one thing or the other.

But to say there's nothing impressive at all about the iPhone is just willful ignorance. Is it perfect? No. But no phone is (and the smartphones of the world have plenty of deficiencies in various areas).

 

[bmoseley07]

Get over yourself.

Again, the iPhone is their first entry. Would you criticize the first Handspring Treo, or the first Windows Mobile smartphones (not to even discuss the current ones)?

All sorts of phones lack one thing or the other.

But to say there's nothing impressive at all about the iPhone is just willful ignorance. Is it perfect? No. But no phone is (and the smartphones of the world have plenty of deficiencies in various areas).

Thank you.

 

[bmoseley07]

I do agree it would be handy for the world at large to "adopt" the term ATN=Apple Tablet Nano since it is literally descriptive of what it is. It could even appeal to general media and financial outlets since it does expose the vision of the device despite the closed releases of Apple itself.

Rocketman

I don't think that name would catch on at all with SJ. ATN doesn't have even close to the ring that iPhone does or even iMobile, iTouch or iFeel. SJ doesn't like using acronyms and I doubt ever will if it's up to him.

ATN sounds too corporate, too MS, and too un-Apple-like to ever be seriously considered; that is, assuming you're being serious when you say you think it should be adopted.

 

[stcanard]

(END USER) but i need my contacts and important notes and messages how do i transfer it to tghe lender....(GENIUS) hmmmmmmm...

lol just plain stupid on apples part

let the excuses start.

(GENIUS) My god, I can't believe how thick you are <rolls eyes> First off the sim card stores your contacts, do you know nothing about how cell phones work? Then you just take this bloody thing home, sync it with your computer and all your notes will be back.

(GENIUS turns away muttering) This guy said he used to have a Treo, obviously not otherwise he would have these simple things figured out by now.

 

[EagerDragon]

The killer app for this phone will likely be in the next version of the hardware, a video phone!!!!!!!

People would be able to use iChat video. But it needs an iSight camera in the front. That is the ultimate social thing, not the crappy stuff of the Zune.

I hope the new iPod (no phone) keeps all of the rest of the functionality + video iChat - phone.

both the iPhone and the video iPod will sell like hotcakes (IMHO). Hope we see it soon.

 

[Porchland]

Well, I think that is something that remains to be seen. There is something nice about the physical click wheel, and it may still be preferable in some cases.

I think Apple has taken the right approach though to come up with new touchscreen specific interfaces for the music playing on the iPhone (and presumably a widescreen video iPod of the future). There had been rumors about a "virtual clickwheel", but it's smarter to come up with the new interface elements they did.

If I had to guess, I would say the next iPod lineup will look something like this:

iPod shuffle > 2 GB > $79 (same price, twice the storage)

iPod nano > 4 GB > $149 (price drop for 4 GB; elimination of 2 GB; keeps click wheel)
iPod nano > 10 GB > $200 (price drop)
iPod nano > 20 GB > $249 (new model, maybe a Beatles edition)

iPod > 50 GB > $300 (widescreen only)
iPod > 100 GB > $400 (widescreen only)

I'm not married to the specifics, but I think we're going to see slight bumps in the iPod nano, elimination of the current iPod, and the new iPod as widescreen only.

 

[Stella]

My Palm OS Treo Smartphone can't multitask to any degree that I've ever seen. I certainly can't do anything else with it while I'm on a call, and I can't switch to my web browser while using my GPS program, for example.

-Zadillo

Hint: Treos are not the only smartphones

Wow - Treo won't let you switch applications in normal use and not even whilst on a call? That is so retro.

No, I agree, you are right. I have fallen for it.

Sorry.

I apologize.

Rocketman

LOL.
A lot of your posts are very interesting and insightful BTW.

 

[Rocketman]

Balmer of Microsoft was on CNBC today with comments about iPhone. He basicly was aghast at the extraordinarilly high price of the device with a 2 year contract commitment.

He stated existng devices have dedicated keyboards which are "necessary for business customers" and that there are devices that provide key subsets of the functionality for about $100.

So the FUD has begun.

Yes the first Apple Tablet Nano (ATN) is a premium priced and premium features device with several innovative features.

Mr. Balmer also touted the introduction of Vista, predicted very brisk adoption rates and stated it will make possible new applications. Really? Which ones?

Balmer also touted the "improved" interface of Vista.

So we have a Balmer vs Jobs jabfest.

Microsoft stock is up 50% or so in 6 months ahead of the release of Vista. The market cap is around $100,000,000,000.

Rocketman

 

[Rocketman]

Any Internet link for that? Thanks.

Rocketman, you are the man and you rock!!! Many, many, many thanks indeed for your great help!!!

The video is named "No Baggage" and can be downloaded from

http://www.microsoft.com/business/peopleready/overview/default.mspx

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http://www.microsoft.com/business/peopleready/overview/default.mspx

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Rocketman