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Amazon this week announced plans to acquire Globalstar, the satellite company that powers Apple's satellite features on the iPhone 14 and newer and the Apple Watch Ultra 3. In turn, Amazon announced that it has signed an agreement with Apple to provide satellite connectivity for current and future iPhone and Apple Watch features.

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The transaction, subject to regulatory approval, is expected to close in 2027. At that point, Apple's features will be powered by Amazon Leo satellites.

Apple's current satellite features:
  • Emergency SOS via satellite
  • Find My via satellite
  • Roadside Assistance via satellite
  • Messages via satellite
All of the features are currently free to use in supported areas without Wi-Fi or cellular connectivity. Availability varies by country.

There were already five more iPhone satellite features or enhancements rumored to be in the works, even before Amazon announced this deal with Apple. At least some of the improvements may be part of iOS 27, which is expected to be available in beta starting in June and widely released in September this year.

Those enhancements are as follows:
  • 5G via satellite (may be exclusive to iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max)
  • Apple Maps via satellite
  • Photos support for Messages via satellite
  • Third-party apps in the App Store will be able to integrate Apple's satellite features
  • The ability to connect an iPhone to a satellite without pointing the device toward the sky
Amazon's announcement mentioned future features, too, so Apple's suite of satellite functions should expand even more over the coming years.

Article Link: iPhones to Get These New Satellite Features
 
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This could be precursor to Steve Jobs' long unstated goal of bypassing the telecoms. There was discussion in Apple early on to become an MNVO but it never came to be. Apple wanted to control the entire experience and the telecoms were the notoriously bad bottleneck. "What makes Apple special is that we make the whole widget" — Steve Jobs

If they could lease satellite bandwidth, Apple could sell connectivity subscriptions inside of Apple One for not just iPhones, but Watches, iPads and even Macs.
 
This could be precursor to Steve Jobs' long unstated goal of bypassing the telecoms. There was discussion in Apple early on to become an MNVO but it never came to be. Apple wanted to control the entire experience and the telecoms were the notoriously bad bottleneck. "What makes Apple special is that we make the whole widget" — Steve Jobs

If they could lease satellite bandwidth, Apple could sell connectivity subscriptions inside of Apple One for not just iPhones, but Watches, iPads and even Macs.

That only works if you have a good clear view of the sky. It doesn't work indoors, and doesn't work (or at all) well in vehicles.

Frankly, I don't want Apple to run the network.
 
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The latency can't compete with cell towers.

And the latency of cellular networks couldn't compete with copper wire phone lines.

Original internet satellites were in geostationary orbit while Starlink and now Amazon LEO are in low Earth orbit (only 550KM up), with latencies rivalling LTE cellular networks which is why we're seeing latency — now suitable for gaming — and bandwidth issues — not just text — already beginning to be solved. This technology is moving fast.
 
Why in the world are they even dicking around with Globalstar? Starlink is one of the greatest things humans have ever done, I can use it while flying near the speed of sound crossing the Pacific ocean. Why isn't apple doing everything it can to get it into our phones?
Perhaps because the tens of thousands of StarLink satellites will create enormous space junk problems, wreak havoc with ground based astronomy and even simple stargazing*, and will likely lead to a StarLink monopoly?

*Edit: see https://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=17&month=04&year=2026 and looking for heading "STARLINK DECLARES WAR ON COMETS"
 
I'll be honest - part of me took comfort in the fact that the literal satellites in orbit around Earth were not owned by major tech cos (Starlink notwithstanding). At that scale, it was reassuring that the hard assets were owned by a more diverse group. This concludes your global domination.

Anyway... fingers crossed for Weather via Satellite 🙂
 
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And the latency of cellular networks couldn't compete with copper wire phone lines.

Original internet satellites were in geostationary orbit while Starlink and now Amazon LEO are in low Earth orbit (only 550KM up), with latencies rivalling LTE cellular networks which is why we're seeing latency — now suitable for gaming — and bandwidth issues — not just text — already beginning to be solved. This technology is moving fast.
True. But it’s never going to beat fibre. Horses for courses, though. Fibre ain’t no help in the mountains.
 
Satellite features are nice if you’re in a pinch.

Someone already said it but full features won’t be free at some point. And satellite service has always been more expensive than the alternatives unless you live in a very rural area. Maybe one day satellite will be competitive with pricing.
 
not just latency, but available bandwidth. a single satellite covers a crazy big area. large area -> more UEs -> more traffic, but you have a finite amount of bandwidth.

let's get something straight: there's no free lunch in physics. if you want bandwidth, you need signal level and high signal to noise ratio. the antenna on the iPhone is tuned to work best with terrestrial cell networks, because
a: they're close (a few km away)
b: there's regulations that limit how much power your phone can radiate (to keep it from frying your cells)

now unless you want to add a massive antenna and/or a power hungry dsp, there won't be comparable reception with the same base station that orbits several 100km away from you. also, if you want to transmit to that thing, the weak signal from your phone has to be clear enough to isolate it from the background noise. this might only work if you're in the middle of a wilderness, where there's no RF contamination. otherwise the device will be limited to a low speed, simple modulation to get the message through.

in either way, whatever *higher* speed communication your iphone phone does isn't "satellite magic", it's the same LTE or 5GNR cellular stack, but in this case the base station is bolted to a satellite and has a massive antenna with lots of gain. this is referred as DTC, which stands for direct to cell.

Apple's original satellite services relied (and still rely) on specialized hw (the radio), a custom modulation scheme and there was a reason why one could just choose from a handful of different messages to send: those weren't transmitted as text, but as a few bits. basically every message was translated to a single number and only that bits were sent along with the coordinates of the device for the exact same reason: not enough bandwidth.

DTC is available on all devices, because there's nothing special in it. it's the same LTE as you have it on the ground, but it's a lot further away from you.

latency is also a big challenge as radio waves cannot move faster than they do right now. so transmitting to a distance 10-100x larger than to a terrestrial station will take 10-100x much time, and this also applies to the travel time of the response. and as mentioned, we have the inverse square law in play - so the transmitted signal strength will be reduced by the square of the distance. low signal strength, low SNR -> simpler modulation -> less throughput.

not to mention that it is the dumbest idea ever to have cell transmission to satellites unless there's no easier way (like terrestrial cell stations) available. either the terrain is very challenging or it is really in the middle of nowhere - otherwise in every developed country you'll have some sort of cell signal available.

don't get me wrong: everything that enables communication for folks who got lost and need help is absolutely phenomenal and very much necessary, but please don't expect to rely on this wherever you go if there's a better alternative available. simply put: there's not enough bandwidth available for this.
 
Nobody is trying to play call of duty 🎮 on satellite 🛰️ internet 🛜
but of course they will. And someone is going to bee somewhere in the wilderness, and it's not running smooth so we will see a thread on MR on how Apple sucks and how Apple is doomed 🙄 😱
 
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So...T-Satellite, which is T-Mobile branded Starlink DTC, is already available for $10/mo to anyone in the US. It works well in non-cell areas. I'd say it's like 3G or slow 4G. I'm in Search and Rescue, and many teammates are adding this. I have VZW as my main carrier, and T-Sat for out in the woods. Right now is already works with:

- iMessage (incl photos and low-res video)
- SMS (on T-Mobile)
- FindMy
- Apple Notifications
- Apple & Google Maps
- Apple Music
- Weather
- Accuweather
- CalTopo (incl Live Tracking)
- Gaia
- onX
- AllTrails
- National Park Service
- Compass
- Fitness
- FB Messenger
- Signal
- WhatsApp (incl calls)
- X (incl video)
- Yahoo Mail (which can host Gmail)

It's not fast, but you don't need to point to the sky, and having access to all of these apps is great. No need to wait for Apple to bring this if you're in the US or other select countries. You just need an unlocked phone and $10/mo.
 
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not just latency, but available bandwidth. a single satellite covers a crazy big area. large area -> more UEs -> more traffic, but you have a finite amount of bandwidth.
You should read up on the technology used by Starlink. They don’t blast out a signal in all directions like old communication satellites but they beam steer a signal to a circle on the earth surface. This means one satellite can simultaneously send/receive from multiple areas of the earth. They also fly lower so latency is much lower and can sometimes be lower if you are communicating to a location far away.
 
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