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cgratti said:
This is why I have my mac to listen to music on. I won't waste any $$ on this product. Why not just save $50 and buy this...
And it's made by Bose, the leader in sound....


bose is a leader in sound "sales". their stuff sounds good, but it has no low range and no high end, hence the phrase "if it ain't got no highs, and ain't got no lows, it must be a bose"


when home stereo stuff started to come on the main page earlier, i was hoping for a rackmountable, or stackable AV unit with wireless to replace my kenwood reciever that has been not great as of late.
 
"Fun"

Did the invitation say or hint at "breathtaking", or "mind blowing", "genre chattering"? No. It said "fun products".

I've been out of college for a little bit now, but if I got one of those hi-fi's when I was, I'd be pretty damn happy. Take it with me to the lake, beach, overnight campout (not for long term camping, just the overnight with a keg), in the quad (or common area), at a table (for getting signatures, it sure would get people to stop and take a look).

Really now, think about it from that perspective. It is a fun product. Yes, there are lots of other fun products in the same group. This is their fun product. That's all.

Leather case, ok, that's cheesy. Granted more environmentally sound than using the plastic covers, but still, I'd rather have one of the i-socks. That comes straight down to taste. Some people wanted that, and some people don't.

Mac Mini. Anything Mini is fun. Just look at a snickers bar. A regular snickers bar is good, but the smaller version is the fun size. The Mac Mini is a fun mac, because it has a small footprint so you can integrate it into different systems and do creative and, whoa... "fun" things with it.

Stop thinking and start having "fun".
 
nagromme said:
Look at the negative votes.... all because rumors, and rumors alone, gave people ideas that this particular event would bring something else?

iPod Hi-Fi would have been more "fun" without rumors to spoil it I think :)

It may be time to break out the dreaded Thread 500:
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=500

Negative votes today often mean massive sales tomorrow... weird!

Hello, newb here. I've been reading this board for a long time but never had the urge to post...

Until I saw this link. I love it. Obviously no one could have known what the iPod would become, but I was dieing from laughter reading it. AWESOME!

On Topic: Um, I'm not impresses with this new product. Apple is a computer company, not a speaker company. Stick to what you know. Creating true audiophile quality speakers take a lot of R&D, as does creating the phenomenal computers that Apple does.

Just stick to one thing and do it well.

Personally, I'm gonna stick with my tried and true wired connection from computer to receiver. :)
 
macidiot said:
Well I can hear at least 18khz. I used to be able to hear 20khz, but not so sure now. And believe me 18-20khz noise bugs the hell out of me. It's like a combination buzzing bug/screeching blackboard sound to me.

Thing is, its easy to have speaker response to 20khz. Just add a real tweeter. Bass is more difficult, since need physical cabinet volume for it.

The speaker specs you talk about are usually listed by lame speaker companies (usually Japanese). Quality speaker manufacturers typically don't do that.

Yes, but it WILL go to 20khz, but it will roll off at more than 3dB above 16khz.. That's what the specs are telling us.

For WHAT IT IS... It's not all that bad.
 
Another thing that ticks me off about this whole thing is that Apple went out of their way to make a media event out of it. Sure, do that for something huge, but for this? A simple "silent update" probably would have sufficed. If you ask me, they kind of made fools of themselves today...:(
 
Already not featured

someone previously quipped that it would be no time before the hifi was gone from the lineup...

well, take a quick look at the apple store home page - the hifi is missing. In fact the ONLY place there is a link to it is under the "new to the store" area. Earlier today, after the announcement, it was on the store home page with a pic and all.

quick q: if this is to replace my home system, where's the 5.1 input? :D
 
"The Hi-Fi is an over-priced speaker system that in NO WAY can replace a good home speaker system and is grossly over-sized to compete with the existing systems out there. It is hot looking, totally... but it is just another iPod speaker."

This needs to be the size it is to get a decent, non-distorted, sound. Any ported speaker system has certain "size" requirments in order to support a given speaker size. And a non-ported speaker system (as most computer speaker systems are (aside from the sub) , increases distortion and power requirments to get the same level of volume.

No problems with the size here.

I am, however, disappointed that Apple would summon the media to release products that could have been released on any given Tuesday.
 
laidbackliam said:
bose is a leader in sound "sales". their stuff sounds good, but it has no low range and no high end, hence the phrase "if it ain't got no highs, and ain't got no lows, it must be a bose"


when home stereo stuff started to come on the main page earlier, i was hoping for a rackmountable, or stackable AV unit with wireless to replace my kenwood reciever that has been not great as of late.

do you own, or have you owned a bose system of any kind to make those comments, or are you commenting based on what you read or have been told?

You'll find that typical bose 'lifestyle' systems lack a little in the mid-range area, not lows, or highs. :)

I have an old lifestyle system that i blast the **** out of. It has reasonable sound, nothing on any kind of audiophile system, but adequate for general listening. You can play their gear LOUD too.. which they are very well known for... :)

dont wanna turn this into a 'bose bashing' thread though! :)

I'm eager to hear the new ipod hi-fi...
 
Eaon said:
So, half the people hate it because they say it will sound like crap because it's too small. But, as so many have pointed out, the songs on your iPod are so compressed there's no point in playing them through anything better. So, who cares? College students will buy it. No space, gotta out-blast the neighbor.

The other half say "What, no radio?" Let's see. I have an iPod with thousands of songs on it that I already know I like. Why would I listen to the radio? Want to know if you like the latest Madonna song? You could either spend 10 seconds searching for it in the iTunes music store, and 30 seconds listening to the clip, or, assuming you just missed it on your latest Top 40 station, well you know they'll play it every hour, on the hour, so you can spend the next hour listening to 25 minutes of songs you don't want to hear, and 31 minutes of commercials for furniture stores and used cars, just to hear the 4 minute song. I'm sorry, who in the hell listens to radio anymore?

Many say "they copied something else and charge more for it". Um, iPod? "Just another MP3 player", they said. "Lame," they said. I'm not ready to call it out yet.

"Walah"?? Voilà! French. Learn it. Then you get the added benefit of understanding 2/3 of the speeches in the Olympic ceremonies, too.

Breakdance? I am so waiting to see some dude walking down the street with a hi-fi on his shoulder. I'll laugh so hard I'll cry, I just know it.

Oh ya, and "no wi-fi"? Airport Express. Duh. Why sell someone one product when you can sell them two? Buy one of each, for each room in your house, and you're set. That's what Apple's hoping for, anyway, not saying anyone commenting here today appears to be willing to do that (well, one person was, early on.)


Well. I'm in college right now. Even at my school, where many of the kids have money to play with, 350 for one speaker, no matter how fantastic that speaker is, is going to be a tough sell. Really. Really. Tough. So I don't think this is geared for the college market.

I think this is geared towards busy homeowner guy/girl who works full time and remembers working their ass off in the 70's at some crap summer job so they could buy an 8-track. "HiFi" really meant something back then, from what I understand, and branding this system as such will really appeal to people who have money to spend, but no desire to research and build a component based audio system. A lot of us are technically adept individuals, and therefore undaunted by purchasing separate components and hooking them up, but guess who might be put off by such a venture? You guessed it, Harry Homeowner with some money in his pocket, but not enough time to spend all day at Crutchfield's having some over the top system sold to him by an over-eager sales associate. This thing lets those people be cutting edge, or at least somewhat so, allowing them to get into the iPod phenomenon in the kind of adult way that shiny iPod armbands and music video downloads on the ITMS just don't. A toy for grown-ups, if you will. Ditto on the leather iPod cases. I agree, the price point seems INSANE. But some people like their bling, and they're willing to pay for it. Apple knows that. You all should too.

For example: a Subaru WRX is a hot car and in the right hands is probably quicker than many of the BMW models currently available. It's even been compared, favorably, to Porches. If you're 55 years old looking for a badass all wheel drive sports car, and you have a lot of money, guess which one you're buying? It's not all about the specs, it's about the image. Take these new products as a sign that Apple is determined not to be the next Dell or Wal-Mart. Hell, it doesn't even want to be Sony, any more than Porche wants to be Subaru. Whether this strategy will continue to work for them, it's too soon to say.
 
Not so bad...

Hey, if was in the market for this I would definitely consider this product. The existing iPod boxes are horrendous I can't believe the poor kids that fall for the JBL and Bose units that are really just pieces of overpriced junk riding the iPod connotation. I haven't heard the iPod Hi-Fi but I think that Apple got it right; someone needed to produce a quality audio product to match the scope of the iPod phenomenon. I personally was hoping for wi-fi features so will wait for rev B (or Z), BTW I haven't seen a spec on the wattage? If it can run on 6 D batteries it must be a bit challenged in that regard.
 
cxny said:
Hey, if was in the market for this I would definitely consider this product. The existing iPod boxes are horrendous I can't believe the poor kids that fall for the JBL and Bose units that are really just pieces of overpriced junk riding the iPod connotation. I haven't heard the iPod Hi-Fi but I think that Apple got it right; someone needed to produce a quality audio product to match the scope of the iPod phenomenon. I personally was hoping for wi-fi features so will wait for rev B (or Z), BTW I haven't seen a spec on the wattage? If it can run on 6 D batteries it must be a bit challenged in that regard.

I totally agree. I worked at the Apple Store for a while... even with my discount, I wouldn't buy one of those crappy speakers.
 
Cybix said:
do you own, or have you owned a bose system of any kind to make those comments, or are you commenting based on what you read or have been told?

You'll find that typical bose 'lifestyle' systems lack a little in the mid-range area, not lows, or highs. :)

I have an old lifestyle system that i blast the **** out of. It has reasonable sound, nothing on any kind of audiophile system, but adequate for general listening. You can play their gear LOUD too.. which they are very well known for... :)

dont wanna turn this into a 'bose bashing' thread though! :)

I'm eager to hear the new ipod hi-fi...
no, he's right. bose accentuates the mids because that's what most consumers define as "sounding good"...bose lacks soundstage, clear and punchy lows (as opposed to boomy subwoofer lows), and articulate highs. yes, they can play loud, but so what? people conflate loudness with sounding good. i'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy your bose system...but i agree with the criticism of the original post - bose is not quality sound.
 
the iWagon

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I'm sure it's been said already, but $99 for an iPod case?

How did all of the smart people who work at Apple decide that this was going to be well received?

It doesn't do much for people who are already turned off by Apples elitist image.

It's a shame that the occasional missteps come to overshadow the good things that have been.

Wow.
 
rockthecasbah said:
If you notice, in the unveiling of the mini (the next video) Steve calls Phil's MacBook Pro a "Powerbook." I guess even Steve hasn't gotten use to the new names :p

Nah, he was just being nice nough not to spit all over his guest. That's what happens when you say Mac Book Pro.

Powerbooks are wonderful.
 
After watching the Video Clips that CNet Provided, Is it Me or did Steve Jobs seem just a bit off today?

anonicon said:
Nah, he was just being nice nough not to spit all over his guest. That's what happens when you say Mac Book Pro.

Powerbooks are wonderful.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I also think he called the MacMini a MacBook Pro as well.
 
that's it?...

YYYAAAWWWNNN!!!!!!!!!..............

An intel chip, some stupid leather cases, and a product that is copying something that about 30 other companies make...

time to sell that Apple stock....
 
beatle888 said:
here here! can you imagine sitting there waiting for something innovative and inspiring and the all the sudden, "ladies and gentlemen, i give you (dramatic pause before the dramatic verbal flare similair to "the SHHUFFLE") the boombox..er..a..iPod Hi-Fi!!"

i wonder how silent the theater was and how fast he started talking after that announcement.:eek:

You are missing the point. This was never meant to be presented on its own. This would have been a 10 minute segment at Macworld if the product had been ready on time, but it wasn't.

It isn't really meant to be a super-innovative product either. The reason Apple is doing this is that they've obviously been selling a lot of iPod docked stereos through the Apple Stores. At some point, they checked their sales data and noticed that they were selling a lot more of these than they thought they would, so it just makes business sense to make their own version. As I said in a previous post: "It makes no sense to let customers walk out of your store with some other company's $300 peripheral when you can make it better yourself". That's it – that's the reason behind the iPod hi fi.

Of course no real audiophile is going to use one of these as his main system. No real audiophile would use an iPod as the source for an expensive rack system. The quality is just not there with compressed audio formats. But it's good enough for most people, and the kind of music that most people listen to (which is mixed to sound good on cheap equipment as it is).

$349 seems a lot, but I paid only a wee bit less than that for the boombox I had when I was 14 (and I bought it... I saved up the cash from my job). You could probably buy one of those Sony mini systems for maybe $150-300 more, and the sound quality won't be much better than the iPod hi-fi.

The people who buy these will be the same people who buy the current crop of similar iPod peripherals: kids who aren't particularly discerning audiophiles, grown ups who aren't either but who love their iPods (and there are a ton of these), rich people who want a small vanity system for their kitchen or conservatory (the same morons who buy those tivoli radios), and women.

As a rule women do not care about audio the way a lot of guys do. In fact they don't care about tech the way a lot of guys do – they want something that just works. Part of the secret of the iPod's success is its appeal to women. The other companies make these complicated, ugly gagdets that only a guy would buy.
 
anyone feel like something might have happened last minute? like MAYBE they saw the leaked ad for the oragami and decided to reneg and put something ULTRA SUPER MEGA STUPID out?

maybe all the multi iTouch weird podrific rumors affected their stratagy? I don't know.

Apple really needs to wow me. I'm just really let down. I have ideas for you apple. I could take you places. wisk me to cupertino. I want to be innovative for a living.

...stupid recording studio
 
Agathon said:
You are missing the point. This was never meant to be presented on its own. This would have been a 10 minute segment at Macworld if the product had been ready on time, but it wasn't.

It isn't really meant to be a super-innovative product either. The reason Apple is doing this is that they've obviously been selling a lot of iPod docked stereos through the Apple Stores. At some point, they checked their sales data and noticed that they were selling a lot more of these than they thought they would, so it just makes business sense to make their own version. As I said in a previous post: "It makes no sense to let customers walk out of your store with some other company's $300 peripheral when you can make it better yourself". That's it – that's the reason behind the iPod hi fi.

Of course no real audiophile is going to use one of these as his main system. No real audiophile would use an iPod as the source for an expensive rack system. The quality is just not there with compressed audio formats. But it's good enough for most people, and the kind of music that most people listen to (which is mixed to sound good on cheap equipment as it is).

$349 seems a lot, but I paid only a wee bit less than that for the boombox I had when I was 14 (and I bought it... I saved up the cash from my job). You could probably buy one of those Sony mini systems for maybe $150-300 more, and the sound quality won't be much better than the iPod hi-fi.

The people who buy these will be the same people who buy the current crop of similar iPod peripherals: kids who aren't particularly discerning audiophiles, grown ups who aren't either but who love their iPods (and there are a ton of these), rich people who want a small vanity system for their kitchen or conservatory (the same morons who buy those tivoli radios), and women.

As a rule women do not care about audio the way a lot of guys do. In fact they don't care about tech the way a lot of guys do – they want something that just works. Part of the secret of the iPod's success is its appeal to women. The other companies make these complicated, ugly gagdets that only a guy would buy.

your missing the point. apple could of released this with a JPEG on the front page of their site, and it would of received a better response as well.
 
I gotta admit it, as much as I hate to, dont want to, and am in denial:
This is sort of becoming a low point for Apple. Not low like 1995, like the slowing in rise of the "coolness" graph. Started off super high with iMac, got huge with iPod, but now i am getting a bit unimpressed.

MWSF was downright disappointing. I shouldn;t have to watch a webcast I saved from 2003 to cheers me up (WWDC to be exact). Apple is way innovative...but Steve was off, he didn't nail things down like he always does (read the article in Macworld about how he preps...dear God!), the HiFi basically is nothing new, the Mini is too expensive for its original function, nothing really "sweet" came out since October 2005...but that was just an iPod, last time the iBooks got a decent update, I was in a crib (ok, a stretch). Time for Apple to really kick it. Maybe this is just holding breath until April when Steve says, ha! all ye unworthy doubting shall repent, and then he announces like 30 new things. That would rock and make the year worth it. eh, thats my 2 cents. time for bed.
 
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