Maybe you're right. Regardless, I would actually probably buy it if it was completely hideously ugly. I like that sort of thing..... I was just wondering, because I assumed most people would go with the silver.
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Engraving and color choice, oops.
I engraved the mini as follows (with my nickname)
Dhuge's Apple iPod Mini
(my phone number digits)
I think I should have done something more clever! I also ordered blue, but the more and more I see green, the more I want it! Damn, blue is fine though. Go Penn State!
I engraved the mini as follows (with my nickname)
Dhuge's Apple iPod Mini
(my phone number digits)
I think I should have done something more clever! I also ordered blue, but the more and more I see green, the more I want it! Damn, blue is fine though. Go Penn State!
Hey, I put almost the EXACT same thing -- great minds think alike! [my name]'s iPod, then my phone number on the 2nd line. I didn't say iPod mini -- I guess the "mini" speaks for itself. ;-)
I figure I could put nothing, or something lame, or something functional that MIGHT get my iPod back to me if it ever gets snatched or lost. No shame in that!
I figure I could put nothing, or something lame, or something functional that MIGHT get my iPod back to me if it ever gets snatched or lost. No shame in that!
My local CompUSA got 12 pinks ones in today, but of course isn't going to sell them till Friday. They were expecting them to arrive last week, and expect more colors to be in stock before Friday.
Does anyone know if they will be giving away any promo stuff at Apple Stores on Friday?
Does anyone know if they will be giving away any promo stuff at Apple Stores on Friday?
Re: Do you notice something?
...or perhaps the thing is just so small there wasn't enough room for the word "mini"...Originally posted by Sir_Giggles
Look on the back of the mini and it will say iPod. It doesn't say "iPod mini".
Why? Because Apple will soon phase out the original iPod once 1" HD capacities exceed 20GBs. This is the beginning of the end for the regular sized iPods. HAHA. How perceptive of me.
Well I am running Mac OS X version 10.3.2. Since my system clock is set BY Apple everytime I connect to the internet (which is to say every time I turn it on) over a DSL connection running at 1.5 Mbps I fail to see how my systems clock could be off by 24 hours. My system clock right now says it is Wed 11:07 PM. The countdown clock on Apples website right now says 2 days 18:53 to go. Which would mean it will reach zero on Saturday at 6pm- not Friday.Originally posted by Skiniftz
The countdown is based on the clock in YOUR computer, therefore your computer clock is wrong.
You can have some fun if you alter the system clock time and watch the timer alter in real time from apple.com.
Once it reaches 0:00 then it just says "....
You want me to spoil the surprise?
I am quite certain that my macs clock is not off by 24 hours- but obviously someones addition is. Or are you implying that everyones clock is off by one whole day and only the countdown clock at Apple is correct? But then how do you explain Apple setting everyones clock to the wrong day? Should I go into work Saturday on my day off and insist it is Friday because Apple's countdown clock told me so? I'm sure managers everywhere will appreciate all the extra productivity Apple is generating by adding an extra workday to the year.
The Muvo2 4GB is $199. It is already cheaper than the Mini.
I think it is easy to confuse the short-term success of the Mini with a strategy.
Those who believe Apple should be dropping the hammer >>now<< to take its early market dominance and convert it to something more lasting are right.
And the Mini needs to move to $199 to show that commitment.
I'd expect that to happen by summer, but really now would've been a better time.
I hope Apple understands -- this time -- how to press its advantage rather than squandering it. The HP deal suggests they do; the $249 price suggests they don't.
And being proud of how many were sold while nice, is not exactly thrilling. $25 million in revenues and $500,000 in earnings are not going to change Apple's future.
Owning 40% of the music distribution business for the next 25 years would.
I think it is easy to confuse the short-term success of the Mini with a strategy.
Those who believe Apple should be dropping the hammer >>now<< to take its early market dominance and convert it to something more lasting are right.
And the Mini needs to move to $199 to show that commitment.
I'd expect that to happen by summer, but really now would've been a better time.
I hope Apple understands -- this time -- how to press its advantage rather than squandering it. The HP deal suggests they do; the $249 price suggests they don't.
And being proud of how many were sold while nice, is not exactly thrilling. $25 million in revenues and $500,000 in earnings are not going to change Apple's future.
Owning 40% of the music distribution business for the next 25 years would.
MY 2 Minis are HERE!!!!! I just tracked them and they showed out for delivery TODAY and my office called and said that I had 2 FedEx boxes on my desk!!!!! Now I am racing to get to my office to see them!!! Now work getting done today!!
Hmmm. Let me get this straight. So you are suggesting that Apple should now not only lose money on every song sold, but that now they should lose money on every iPod sold as well?? Lets look at this for a moment. Apple makes 20% margin on every iPod sold. They've already admitted to making less than that on the mini. But even if they were making 20% on the mini (which they are not yet) that means at 249.00 they are making a whole -drum roll please- 49.80.
Now if we drop the price to 199.00 you can see that they will essentially be losing money for every mini sold- Now how do they turn a profit? Off the iPod Music store?
Apple has already stated they don't make money off iTunes http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5092559.html?tag=mac.nn And it appears that the only reason they even keep investing in iTunes is to sell more iPods.Now I can see everyone saying 'well lets make it up in volume and eventually we'll make a profit'- Sorry to burst your dot-com bubble but that business model has already been proven not to work. And why would Apple want to pursue such a losing business model anyway? Consumers are already lined up out the door and down the block to buy iPods and mini's at realistic prices that DO help Apples bottom line. And seriously, is the competition really undercutting the mini by that much if at all? The 4GB Rio is 249.00, 4GB Creative Muvo2 is 299.00, Sony's (UGLY!) 256MB Network Walkman is 265.00 (Yikes!) This list goes on but you can see it here http://www.arstechnica.com/etc/mac/2004/mac.ars-01262004.html
I am positive that at this time 249.00 is a very good price point. And once the price on these new drives comes down Apple will lower their price accordingly. But there really is no need for them to follow other companies before them into a disastrous failure by selling millions of units at less than the price to produce them.
I really hate you right about now. I gotta wait until April before I can even see one in person. Bah.
I'm Pee-ohhed
I'm pissed. I will never again order a new apple product from a reseller, such as CDW.
My iPod mini was ordered January 17th. It's considered "backordered." They won't be shipping mine until sometime later next week.
I'm buying directly from apple next time.
I'm pissed. I will never again order a new apple product from a reseller, such as CDW.
My iPod mini was ordered January 17th. It's considered "backordered." They won't be shipping mine until sometime later next week.
I'm buying directly from apple next time.
Um, Raven, you are, well, just plain wrong.
Creative is selling an almost identical product (minus the Apple niceness) for $199. Creative makes no money from add-ons like remotes and docks (compared to Apple) and Creative makes no money from music sales.
So if Creative can sell the Muvo for $199 and make a profit, Apple can too. In fact, Apple would make more money even though I suspect the Mini has a BOM that is slightly higher than that for the Muvo2.
And you entirely miss the bigger issue:
Win the customer now, or lose him for years.
Only one player supports iTunes and iTunes only supports one player --> iPod. Buy something else today, never shop at iTunes. In fact, you will probably never convert later because anything you buy at another digital music shop will be WMA, which doesn't play on iPods.
This is a battle of epic proportions and Apple is playing it like a tennis game against a friend they like to compete with. It's hardly enough.
Try to grasp this --> With Apple's lead, they could actually defeat the competition despite the competition having scores of players vs. Apple's 4; despite the competition having many stores vs. Apple's few (their own, AOL -- IIRC, HP to come).
They could win, but they will lose unless customers are locked in now.
It is comical to believe the bigger prize is, say, 400,000 x $50 extra margin dollars from Mini sales right now ($20 million) when downloadable music is going to be a $20 billion industry by decade's end... And the store is going to make 10-15 cents per track sold....
Mark
Creative is selling an almost identical product (minus the Apple niceness) for $199. Creative makes no money from add-ons like remotes and docks (compared to Apple) and Creative makes no money from music sales.
So if Creative can sell the Muvo for $199 and make a profit, Apple can too. In fact, Apple would make more money even though I suspect the Mini has a BOM that is slightly higher than that for the Muvo2.
And you entirely miss the bigger issue:
Win the customer now, or lose him for years.
Only one player supports iTunes and iTunes only supports one player --> iPod. Buy something else today, never shop at iTunes. In fact, you will probably never convert later because anything you buy at another digital music shop will be WMA, which doesn't play on iPods.
This is a battle of epic proportions and Apple is playing it like a tennis game against a friend they like to compete with. It's hardly enough.
Try to grasp this --> With Apple's lead, they could actually defeat the competition despite the competition having scores of players vs. Apple's 4; despite the competition having many stores vs. Apple's few (their own, AOL -- IIRC, HP to come).
They could win, but they will lose unless customers are locked in now.
It is comical to believe the bigger prize is, say, 400,000 x $50 extra margin dollars from Mini sales right now ($20 million) when downloadable music is going to be a $20 billion industry by decade's end... And the store is going to make 10-15 cents per track sold....
Mark
Nah. The majority of songs that go on iPods now are from MP3s downloaded off the net, and from CD-rips. You're saying Apple should forego all profits on the iPods in some pipe dream that they will rule the downloads market?
One thing, we don't know what the future has in store. Second, the iPod is competitively priced. Third, Apple is going after a segment of the market that has money, and those are the same people who are more willing to buy their music, rather than pirating it off the net.
Can you explain how you lock in customers? Apple already has tremendous brand loyalty, so it's a matter of what percentage of the market actually downloads music rather than buying the CD. At last figure, the total market for music downloads is less than 1% of the total music market. So that means 99% of music on your iPod likely came off a CD.
rogo, please fact check before telling apple how to run itself
Itunes supports many players.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article....mous|34246826&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com:80/
As you can see from the list, iTunes has pretty decent support for other players. Now, whether or not those players can play protected aac or even aac files is another story and not really apple's issue. Although i think it would be good if apple could convince one other manufacturer to jump on the aac bandwagon.
But anyway, Apple proved the naysayers wrong with the ipod and I think they'll prove rogo and the new naysayers wrong with the mini.
Itunes supports many players.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article....mous|34246826&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com:80/
As you can see from the list, iTunes has pretty decent support for other players. Now, whether or not those players can play protected aac or even aac files is another story and not really apple's issue. Although i think it would be good if apple could convince one other manufacturer to jump on the aac bandwagon.
But anyway, Apple proved the naysayers wrong with the ipod and I think they'll prove rogo and the new naysayers wrong with the mini.
While I see your point, it isnt really true. Apple came along out of nowhere with the iPod. It is about what is current and the best. If someone came along tomorrow and had a better player than the iPod in all facets, then it would start to take away from the iPod's potential sales.
And again, the Reality Distortion Field of Steve Jobs has many brainwashed:
"You're saying Apple should forego all profits on the iPods in some pipe dream that they will rule the downloads market?"
No, in fact I never said that at all. You need to actually read the posts. Creative can make money at $199 without any hope at all of getting more money. Therefore, Apple can make money at $199 -- and it will get more money later from other sales.
And, no, it isn't a pipedream to rule downloads. It is there for the taking. I'm quite sure Apple will blow it; but people in the music industry don't understand why they are so insistent on doing so. I've spoken to more than a few...
"Can you explain how you lock in customers? "
With a proprietary DRM and a rare file format. Today, your iTunes downloads play only on your iPod. You buy the iPod and start buying music, you are locked in to the iPod indefinitely as you can't take your music to another player (well, you can, through two conversions that destroy its quality; I've heard the results of AAC --> CD Audio --> MP3 and they ain't at all pretty.)
"Itunes supports many players."
No it doesn't. Downloads play on iPods -- only. Period.
"But anyway, Apple proved the naysayers wrong with the ipod and I think they'll prove rogo and the new naysayers wrong with the mini."
I'm not a Mini naysayer. I think the Mini is an outstanding product. I think Apple Product Marketing needs to price the whole line far more rationally, however, as it makes no sense. And I also think that Mini at $199 is a Grand Slam; Mini at $249 is a solo homer.
My point -- which I'll reiterate one more time -- is that Mini is a chance to take over the world. And at $249 that chance is squandered. Oh, and when they do reduce the price to $199 this summer or fall, what will you all say then? If they can do it then, they can do it now. Yes, they'd forgo a few million in gross margin, but they'd also sell a lot more Minis. Not only is demand for this thing highly elastic, but $199 is a magic price point for electronics, $249 isn't.
"If someone came along tomorrow and had a better player than the iPod in all facets, then it would start to take away from the iPod's potential sales."
I don't know about that. Apple has the zeitgeist right now. And Apple is controlling 70% of the downloads market right now. And iPod is selling a ridiculous amount, even while being expensive.
There is something called the "tipping point" and while I openly question Apple's decision not to license the iPod DRM et al. much more liberally, they could actually rule the world with their closed universe, so long as they offer a multiplicity of players at multiple price points.
This battle to control music distribution is going to last 5 years or so and then end. The winners will be the "record labels" of the future. They won't sign Britney or Beyonce, necessarily, but they will be the distributors. That is a huge, huge prize.
Apple's current strategy is to get the most margin $$$ today that are possible and to charge more than the competition for the same features. This kind of strategy -- call it the Sony Way -- can work, but ultimately usually fails. The hardware becomes a commodity and the number of people who will pay a premium for the same features is small. This is actually clear when you look at Apple's computers -- also proprietary and relegated to a miniscule niche of the market.
But there is no reason Apple has to be the same way in music. Already, it has shown a surprising willingness to "open up." The HP deal was an absolute masterstroke. The Mini is a winningg product that translates the iPod experience to something much much more portable.
There should also be a flash iPod at $149 for 256MB to fill out the line. But in the meantime, the road to dominance is paved by getting people hooked on iPod/iTunes. Mini at $199 would lay a lot more asphalt than Mini at $249. And it's a mistake to view the superb pre-sales as validation of the higher price.
"You're saying Apple should forego all profits on the iPods in some pipe dream that they will rule the downloads market?"
No, in fact I never said that at all. You need to actually read the posts. Creative can make money at $199 without any hope at all of getting more money. Therefore, Apple can make money at $199 -- and it will get more money later from other sales.
And, no, it isn't a pipedream to rule downloads. It is there for the taking. I'm quite sure Apple will blow it; but people in the music industry don't understand why they are so insistent on doing so. I've spoken to more than a few...
"Can you explain how you lock in customers? "
With a proprietary DRM and a rare file format. Today, your iTunes downloads play only on your iPod. You buy the iPod and start buying music, you are locked in to the iPod indefinitely as you can't take your music to another player (well, you can, through two conversions that destroy its quality; I've heard the results of AAC --> CD Audio --> MP3 and they ain't at all pretty.)
"Itunes supports many players."
No it doesn't. Downloads play on iPods -- only. Period.
"But anyway, Apple proved the naysayers wrong with the ipod and I think they'll prove rogo and the new naysayers wrong with the mini."
I'm not a Mini naysayer. I think the Mini is an outstanding product. I think Apple Product Marketing needs to price the whole line far more rationally, however, as it makes no sense. And I also think that Mini at $199 is a Grand Slam; Mini at $249 is a solo homer.
My point -- which I'll reiterate one more time -- is that Mini is a chance to take over the world. And at $249 that chance is squandered. Oh, and when they do reduce the price to $199 this summer or fall, what will you all say then? If they can do it then, they can do it now. Yes, they'd forgo a few million in gross margin, but they'd also sell a lot more Minis. Not only is demand for this thing highly elastic, but $199 is a magic price point for electronics, $249 isn't.
"If someone came along tomorrow and had a better player than the iPod in all facets, then it would start to take away from the iPod's potential sales."
I don't know about that. Apple has the zeitgeist right now. And Apple is controlling 70% of the downloads market right now. And iPod is selling a ridiculous amount, even while being expensive.
There is something called the "tipping point" and while I openly question Apple's decision not to license the iPod DRM et al. much more liberally, they could actually rule the world with their closed universe, so long as they offer a multiplicity of players at multiple price points.
This battle to control music distribution is going to last 5 years or so and then end. The winners will be the "record labels" of the future. They won't sign Britney or Beyonce, necessarily, but they will be the distributors. That is a huge, huge prize.
Apple's current strategy is to get the most margin $$$ today that are possible and to charge more than the competition for the same features. This kind of strategy -- call it the Sony Way -- can work, but ultimately usually fails. The hardware becomes a commodity and the number of people who will pay a premium for the same features is small. This is actually clear when you look at Apple's computers -- also proprietary and relegated to a miniscule niche of the market.
But there is no reason Apple has to be the same way in music. Already, it has shown a surprising willingness to "open up." The HP deal was an absolute masterstroke. The Mini is a winningg product that translates the iPod experience to something much much more portable.
There should also be a flash iPod at $149 for 256MB to fill out the line. But in the meantime, the road to dominance is paved by getting people hooked on iPod/iTunes. Mini at $199 would lay a lot more asphalt than Mini at $249. And it's a mistake to view the superb pre-sales as validation of the higher price.
Are you sure that muvo 2 sells for 199$ I heard somewhere that is sells for 299$. Anyway I will say that the price is right for the mini for right now. There is no product competing in coolness and hip factor not even close and also not in functionality and also being the only player that supports the iTunes store is a big boost. I believe that a company should price a product to make as much money as possible. And in any case seeing the situation of the normal iPod where in UK you can are considered lucky if you can find any 15 or 20GB ones it seems like that they cannot make them quickly enough so no reason to sell them cheaper. the product sells and as long as capacity does not exceed demand then the price is fine.
Having said that it is only a matter of time until someone manufactures a comparable product. maybe not as cool or functional but good enough for most and a lot cheaper (see mac-windows). At which point Apple should try and do something to compete with that sort of product. They did not do something when win machines came around and i guess now they regret every second of it. So the iPods will have to go down in price only when a threatening offer appears. So far nothing comes close so iPod prices capitalise on their advantages and that is great.
Having said that it is only a matter of time until someone manufactures a comparable product. maybe not as cool or functional but good enough for most and a lot cheaper (see mac-windows). At which point Apple should try and do something to compete with that sort of product. They did not do something when win machines came around and i guess now they regret every second of it. So the iPods will have to go down in price only when a threatening offer appears. So far nothing comes close so iPod prices capitalise on their advantages and that is great.
Dont bitch til you spin it
The mini is ****ing amazing, I just got mine today. In one word: unbelievable. But one word doesnt do it justice, nor do the pictures of it. It is so freaking small and light. The finish is gorgeous and the price is not even a factor in my mind, it is so worth the price. Everything about it is perfect, just picture that Business Week with S.J. on the cover...it's smaller than that!
oh man, I already filled it with music, but I'm a runner and since when is 4 days of music too little to have with you in your pocket?....somewhere in your pocket...if you can find it.
The mini is ****ing amazing, I just got mine today. In one word: unbelievable. But one word doesnt do it justice, nor do the pictures of it. It is so freaking small and light. The finish is gorgeous and the price is not even a factor in my mind, it is so worth the price. Everything about it is perfect, just picture that Business Week with S.J. on the cover...it's smaller than that!
oh man, I already filled it with music, but I'm a runner and since when is 4 days of music too little to have with you in your pocket?....somewhere in your pocket...if you can find it.
rogo wrong again.
Rogo, maybe people are having a hard time understanding your rants becuase they are not accurate. As I said before, iTunes supports many players. You are possibly confusing iTunes Music store downloads with the term "iTunes". My post was pretty straight forward. So is this one. And as for you being a naysayer, I heard the same arguement from people such as yourself when the 1st ipod came out. "$399, nobody will buy that." or "$399. that's just a base hit, not a home run"
Please get over yourself and go buy a muvo for $199 while it's still on sale. Creative dropped the price from $299 becuase of apple's aggressive $249 price. Check out the creative site and see how its on sale for 40% off. I guess they had to put it on sale because they weren't selling very well. As opposed to apple, who isn't putting their product on sale because it is selling well.
Rogo, maybe people are having a hard time understanding your rants becuase they are not accurate. As I said before, iTunes supports many players. You are possibly confusing iTunes Music store downloads with the term "iTunes". My post was pretty straight forward. So is this one. And as for you being a naysayer, I heard the same arguement from people such as yourself when the 1st ipod came out. "$399, nobody will buy that." or "$399. that's just a base hit, not a home run"
Please get over yourself and go buy a muvo for $199 while it's still on sale. Creative dropped the price from $299 becuase of apple's aggressive $249 price. Check out the creative site and see how its on sale for 40% off. I guess they had to put it on sale because they weren't selling very well. As opposed to apple, who isn't putting their product on sale because it is selling well.
"I know it's a pain in the patootie...but downloaded songs (in the AAC format) could be burned to CD, reimported, then converted to mp3...which could then be used on other players."
I already addressed this. But in case you didn't read the post: It sounds like crap when you do this. Believe me.
"Are you sure that muvo 2 sells for 199$ I heard somewhere that is sells for 299$. "
Yes, I am sure.
"I believe that a company should price a product to make as much money as possible. "
Yes, you do believe that. And, actually so do I. But we have very different views on how to make as much money as possible. Your logic would currently justify a $299 price because very new of the pre-orders would've been canceled at that price.
"Rogo, maybe people are having a hard time understanding your rants becuase they are not accurate. As I said before, iTunes supports many players. You are possibly confusing iTunes Music store downloads with the term "iTunes""
And you are confusing semantics with relevance. Yes, I mean the iTunes Music Store, which is totally obvious from everything I've written. And that supports iPod only. Period.
"Please get over yourself and go buy a muvo for $199 while it's still on sale. Creative dropped the price from $299 becuase of apple's aggressive $249 price. Check out the creative site and see how its on sale for 40% off. I guess they had to put it on sale because they weren't selling very well. "
Yeah, get over yourself. The Muvo was out for about a week before the price was cut to $199. Creative realized their mistake; Apple hasn't.
I love how AppleHeads can't see the forest for the trees. I make totally valid points worthy of discussion and AppleHeads say, "Go buy the Muvo." It is the utter detachment from reality that is the hallmark of Apple's low single-digit market share.
I'm quite sure the iTunes Music Store will see its market share drop over and over and over thanks to brilliant decisions like short term maximization of iPod margins. The prize is selling music; not selling overpriced hardware -- no matter how good that hardware is.
As usual, the AppleHeads are under the RDF.
Enjoy and goodbye.
I already addressed this. But in case you didn't read the post: It sounds like crap when you do this. Believe me.
"Are you sure that muvo 2 sells for 199$ I heard somewhere that is sells for 299$. "
Yes, I am sure.
"I believe that a company should price a product to make as much money as possible. "
Yes, you do believe that. And, actually so do I. But we have very different views on how to make as much money as possible. Your logic would currently justify a $299 price because very new of the pre-orders would've been canceled at that price.
"Rogo, maybe people are having a hard time understanding your rants becuase they are not accurate. As I said before, iTunes supports many players. You are possibly confusing iTunes Music store downloads with the term "iTunes""
And you are confusing semantics with relevance. Yes, I mean the iTunes Music Store, which is totally obvious from everything I've written. And that supports iPod only. Period.
"Please get over yourself and go buy a muvo for $199 while it's still on sale. Creative dropped the price from $299 becuase of apple's aggressive $249 price. Check out the creative site and see how its on sale for 40% off. I guess they had to put it on sale because they weren't selling very well. "
Yeah, get over yourself. The Muvo was out for about a week before the price was cut to $199. Creative realized their mistake; Apple hasn't.
I love how AppleHeads can't see the forest for the trees. I make totally valid points worthy of discussion and AppleHeads say, "Go buy the Muvo." It is the utter detachment from reality that is the hallmark of Apple's low single-digit market share.
I'm quite sure the iTunes Music Store will see its market share drop over and over and over thanks to brilliant decisions like short term maximization of iPod margins. The prize is selling music; not selling overpriced hardware -- no matter how good that hardware is.
As usual, the AppleHeads are under the RDF.
Enjoy and goodbye.
Ummm does anyone have a couple of Prozacs they could give to my friend Rogo here- I think he just had a seizure.
Ok, well I hate to compare Apples to Oranges but since we've got certained individuals ranting about the Muvo2 lets just compare the two.
Mini: Annodized aluminum Muvo: Cheap grey&black plastic
Mini: 5 gorgeous colors Muvo: Cheap grey & black plastic
Mini: Firewire 400 & USB 2.0 Muvo: USB 2.0 only
Mini:AAC (16-320 Kbps), MP3 (32-320 Kbps), MP3, VBR, Audible, AIFF, and WAV Muvo: Mp3, WMA, & WAV
Mini: 5 line display Muvo: 2 line display
Mini: works with Mac or Windows Muvo: Windows only
Mini: size of a credit card Muvo: size of a, mmm, toy wooden block?
Mini: 0.5" thin Muvo over 3/4" thick
Mini: Easy to use elegant scroll wheel Muvo: Well let me just quote a Cnet review:
"The MuVo²'s four-directional toggle switch is the size of a shirt button, and its play/pause control is as big as a collar button. The cramped ergonomics take some getting used to, and we often found ourselves adjusting volume (by pushing up or down) when we meant to fast-forward or rewind (pressing left or right)."
Obviously nobody in their right mind is going to buy this piece of crap if they can get a mini for just 49.00 more. And why is it that Creative can make a profit (we're making a large assumption there) at 199.00 while Apple cannot do the same with the Mini? Well maybe it has something to do with the obviously higher quality of the Mini. Maybe it's because of the better case. Maybe it's the better software that powers it. Maybe it's the better scrollwheel. Maybe it has to do with the better ergonomics. Maybe it has to do with the much larger Research and Development costs that went into creating it. Or maybe Creative is just having a fire sale and dumping their remaining stock before everyone wakes up and realizes they could have gotten something so far superior in every respect instead.
Ok, well I hate to compare Apples to Oranges but since we've got certained individuals ranting about the Muvo2 lets just compare the two.
Mini: Annodized aluminum Muvo: Cheap grey&black plastic
Mini: 5 gorgeous colors Muvo: Cheap grey & black plastic
Mini: Firewire 400 & USB 2.0 Muvo: USB 2.0 only
Mini:AAC (16-320 Kbps), MP3 (32-320 Kbps), MP3, VBR, Audible, AIFF, and WAV Muvo: Mp3, WMA, & WAV
Mini: 5 line display Muvo: 2 line display
Mini: works with Mac or Windows Muvo: Windows only
Mini: size of a credit card Muvo: size of a, mmm, toy wooden block?
Mini: 0.5" thin Muvo over 3/4" thick
Mini: Easy to use elegant scroll wheel Muvo: Well let me just quote a Cnet review:
"The MuVo²'s four-directional toggle switch is the size of a shirt button, and its play/pause control is as big as a collar button. The cramped ergonomics take some getting used to, and we often found ourselves adjusting volume (by pushing up or down) when we meant to fast-forward or rewind (pressing left or right)."
Obviously nobody in their right mind is going to buy this piece of crap if they can get a mini for just 49.00 more. And why is it that Creative can make a profit (we're making a large assumption there) at 199.00 while Apple cannot do the same with the Mini? Well maybe it has something to do with the obviously higher quality of the Mini. Maybe it's because of the better case. Maybe it's the better software that powers it. Maybe it's the better scrollwheel. Maybe it has to do with the better ergonomics. Maybe it has to do with the much larger Research and Development costs that went into creating it. Or maybe Creative is just having a fire sale and dumping their remaining stock before everyone wakes up and realizes they could have gotten something so far superior in every respect instead.
Well said, Raven.
Very well said, Raven.
I still think they should endeavor to reduce the mini to $199. But it's understandable that during its introduction it is going to cost more. There's simply nothing else like it.
And on monday...I'm going to experience it for myself. CDW is shipping mine out tonight.
Very well said, Raven.
I still think they should endeavor to reduce the mini to $199. But it's understandable that during its introduction it is going to cost more. There's simply nothing else like it.
And on monday...I'm going to experience it for myself. CDW is shipping mine out tonight.
Yeeahah
Yeah!, i have an ipod mini on hold at my local apple store, i am so excited i will be there six on the dot to pick up my player, i am so excited
Matt
Yeah!, i have an ipod mini on hold at my local apple store, i am so excited i will be there six on the dot to pick up my player, i am so excited
Matt