iPod iPod nano software version 1.0.2

[retroneo]

The implication has always been that the new generation of iPods, run OS-X like the iPhone, (even though Apple has very carefully remained mum on this point). This kind of thing however, very strongly indicates that they are really just running some hacked version of...

Well, the Apple TV definitely runs OS X and unfortunately still doesn't localise it's dates...

 

[kasei]

Ok. Contacts was working with the previous version but now calendar and contacts will not sync. What's up Apple... You guys have been dropping the ball lately.

 

[AdeFowler]

steve jobs is wonderful... but you should be thanking the ipod dev teams instead...

If the iPod Development Team were that good, we wouldn't already be on our second update and still have issues

 

[fabianjj]

Video out through headphone jack

Wouldn't it be much cheaper to produce a standard 3,5 mm headphone jack than producing one capable of transferring video? Since the dock connector needs to output video anyways, and people in general doesn't care which port is used when the ipods outputting video by the tv(excdept for al of us who needs to buy new cables). Then requiring people to buy Apple's own cables to get it to work.

I don't think any other explaination than the financial one makes any sense at all.

 

[mac 2005]

I'm not seeing much of a difference with this update. In fact, iTunes still says "Syncing" while it is "synchronizing" my iPod Classic with my MacBook.

 

[fewture]

Can someone confirm that after 1.02:

1. sound is brighter
2. sound is less bassy

Also, whats the odds that there will be cheap ipod video docks from China/Hk on ebay soon? So we don't have to worry about $50 Apple cables?

 

[bilbo--baggins]

However, people who have the Apple AV cable that connected through the headphone jack can forget about it working with the new iPods. Video is now available only through the dock connector so you will either need the iPod Universal dock for s-video output, or one of the new AV cables from Apple that attach directly to the dock connector on the iPod.

I too can confirm that the Apple AV cable (connected to the headphone jack) does not work with the iPod Classic even with this update.

Shame, but I suppose at least it's for the sake of progress - ie. the new cables offer a choice of component video or composite video output, whereas the old cable was only composite.

I also worry about things tugging on the headphone jack damaging the socket - the new dock cables are obviously much more secure in that respect.

 

[MalcolmJID]

Just updated. Menus seem much snappier, but yet to try out the new sound.

 

[dmelgar]

I too can confirm that the Apple AV cable (connected to the headphone jack) does not work with the iPod Classic even with this update.

Shame, but I suppose at least it's for the sake of progress - ie. the new cables offer a choice of component video or composite video output, whereas the old cable was only composite.

I also worry about things tugging on the headphone jack damaging the socket - the new dock cables are obviously much more secure in that respect.

To clarify, the AV cable which I have connects to the iPod connector on the Nano, not the headphone jack. I would have thought that would work as did the manufacturer. But it does not, even after the update.

 

[Hattig]

I haven't played around with it completely yet but the first, major fix is that compilation artists no longer appear in the artists field!

Darn, that's something I hate about my Nano 1G, that when I browse my music *collection* by artist, I only get non-compilation artists. Is there a view that is ordered by Artist, Both Albums and Compilations?

 

[MrCrowbar]

Darn, that's something I hate about my Nano 1G, that when I browse my music *collection* by artist, I only get non-compilation artists. Is there a view that is ordered by Artist, Both Albums and Compilations?

I noticed iTunes seems to be bug ridden when you use compilations. I got a few compilations, and each one is split up into multiple albums with random numbers of tracks. and yes, I tried all kinds of sortings and checked tha "compilation" box.

As a side note, here's a nice shot of CSI miami, episode 2 of season 6. Obviously, someone does not know how to hold an iPhone.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

This thread has a lot of very helpful comments. I bet the iPod group is reading it.

Since Apple relies on a strong iPod ecosystem, hence the iPhone pre-announcement, it seems like video incompatibilities are more likely ralated to plug changes, chip changes and OS changes. OSX still is lacking many features of OS9, so let Apple know what old features you miss on new iPod OS builds.

Rocketman

I now note message #43

I'm glad to hear Apple is still working on improving the firmware... I might just have to get one now!

 

[Durendal]

A lot of these video theories (conspiracy and otherwise -- decode chip in cable, etc.) can be put to rest by noting that video output works on the 3rd-generation nano (that's the new one) using the s-video port on Apple's iPod Universal dock. In this case, all you need is Apple's existing iPod Universal dock and any generic s-video cable. I think I purchased my iPod Universal dock six to nine months ago and it works just fine for connecting my new iPod nano to my TV.

However, people who have the Apple AV cable that connected through the headphone jack can forget about it working with the new iPods. Video is now available only through the dock connector so you will either need the iPod Universal dock for s-video output, or one of the new AV cables from Apple that attach directly to the dock connector on the iPod.

It will work on the universal dock that has the infrared remote port on the front. It will NOT work with the older ones that do not have this port. Apple may well have anticipated their little chipping of cables and included one in the dock, or programmed and exception into the firmware.

 

[madmaxmedia]

It will work on the universal dock that has the infrared remote port on the front. It will NOT work with the older ones that do not have this port. Apple may well have anticipated their little chipping of cables and included one in the dock, or programmed and exception into the firmware.

There definitely seems to be some funny business going on.

If you read iLounge.com's story about the new update, they can get the Classic to display video on some of the external portable screen units, but only after first starting video out playback on the 'approved' Apple dock.

So that means video playback definitely can work on other dock devices, but only with this weird workaround that seems to trick the Classic into believing it's playing back through a 'proper' device.

 

[Hane]

eh

i still have the lame problem of my album artwork randomly being black. wtf

 

[ScubaDuc]

Thank you, (you all.. ) , for clarifying the video cable issue... I was loking for docks and I almost bought the kensington one... It always pays to read MacRumors....

I just bought my first iPod classic while in Chicago last week so I might have not been able to note all the improvement you guys mentioned in the updates except for the cover flow which does work smoother and compilations appearing together

My biggest gripe however is with iPhoto sync.

Perhaps I have not found the right approach and maybe I should make a new thread but in short I have three albums... when I import them in the iPod, they get "lumped'...

Does anyone have the same issue and maybe found a workaround?

 

[milo]

is the firmware enabling video through the headphone jack?

That's a hardware change, the new versions output video through the dock connector. The headphone jack thing is never coming back with these models. This has been known since the day these shipped, apple even has a compatibility support document that lists which cables and docks work with which ipods.

Does the TV Out work on the Nano now?

I have applied the update on my classic and now have the option to select TV out (On, Off, Ask).

Previously, this option was locked to Off, unless the iPod was plugged into an official Apple Universal Dock.

What are you trying to use to output video?

So does this finally fix the missing video out that classics were lacking from the last iPod generation?

It was never lacking, it just moved from the headphone port to the dock. There are some issues with older third party devices not getting video through the dock with the newer ipods (the old ones worked), I don't know if apple will resolve that or not, hopefully they will. They are working with third parties on compatibility with these.

And the new cable isn't $50. It comes in a package that is $49, but that includes an AC charger as well. They definitely should sell the two separately, which would make the price the same as before, $19, but it's not like it's 50 for just a cable.

 

[zwida]

If the iPod Development Team were that good, we wouldn't already be on our second update and still have issues

Can releasing hardware before it's ready really be blamed on the dev team?

 

[audioinside]

Still pissed about Apple Camera Connector incompatibility

One of the material reasons I jettisoned my iPod Photo, which worked great for backing up my DSLR images in the field, was that I was running low on storage capacity with only 60GB. 80GB seemed like a good bump and so I jumped on the Classic since the Apple Store's page advertising the Camera Connector initially showed Classic compatibility. (I'm not sure when they woke up to the incompatibility, but the page has now been corrected.)

I've heard rumors about bringing this feature back in Classic firmware updates, but 1.0.2 ain't it.

Anybody using Classic with flash card readers? If that works it would seem like my only Plan B at this point...

 

[tgildred]

My front lawn looks greener. Food tastes better.

My fungal infection has all but cleared up.

 

[Phil A.]

Here's a good technical reason:

I don't know this for a fact but this makes more sense to me: iPods are getting smaller but with more capacity. Apple removed the video encoding chip from the iPod and placed it in the cable to cut costs, and reduce the size of the iPod. This chip is not a DRM chip or anything like that - it's just a video decoder and D/A converter.

The new iPods now send the digital stream to the cable with the chip in it. The chip in the cable decodes the bits into the composite, s-video, component, etc. signal - depending on what cable you are using.

No conspiracy theory there folks. Think about it - Apple has a lot of accessory makers that pa them royalties now - they didn't change this just to tick them off. They did it to keep the iPod competitively designed and priced.

Nice theory but completely wrong, I'm afraid. If you turn on the video out in an "official" apple dock then move the iPod to an unofficial one without stopping the playback it will play the video out through the unofficial accessory.

 

[aaronh3]

Much Snappyer

Thankyou apple!

 

[ezekielrage_99]

I think Apple may tweak the firmware on the 3G nano further within the next 30 days to improve Cover Flow response. I expect a 1.0.3 firmware upgrade probably by the end of October 2007, if only to ensure full MacOS X 10.5 compatibility.

That's a good call, I think they will tweak the firmware a little more during the next few months.

There have been plenty of complaints about the performance of the new iPods and with Xmas just around the corner IMHO Apple will lift it's iPod game.

 

[defalkner]

Fixes and new problems...

The update is fantastic but ever since I put it on my ipod last night I had to do a full restore because itunes would not work, and now a new problem. My ipod discharges the battery every 12 or so hours when not in use. I charged it up before work today and came home - DEAD-. This morning before I went to work it was dead when I charged it up the night before. So now the battery completely discharges when off. HMMM anyone else have this issue?

Before I could let the ipod sit for 4-5 days on a full charge and have no worries that it would stay that way. This is weird man!

 

[ezekielrage_99]

The update is fantastic but ever since I put it on my ipod last night I had to do a full restore because itunes would not work, and now a new problem. My ipod discharges the battery every 12 or so hours when not in use. I charged it up before work today and came home - DEAD-. This morning before I went to work it was dead when I charged it up the night before. So now the battery completely discharges when off. HMMM anyone else have this issue?

Before I could let the ipod sit for 4-5 days on a full charge and have no worries that it would stay that way. This is weird man!

My G2 iPod Nano does the same thing, if I leave it for more than 5 days it's a dead as a doorknob.