Very nice update coverflow runs superbly and menu's are snappy. Hopefully it will solve the random crashes my Nano was having during video playback...
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iPod iPod nano software version 1.0.2
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It's because they aren't using OS-X
Sadly, Americans are particularly bad at even *knowing* that there are international standards, let alone following them.
I think this is mostly interesting from the standpoint of what OS the iPods are running however.
The implication has always been that the new generation of iPods, run OS-X like the iPhone, (even though Apple has very carefully remained mum on this point). This kind of thing however, very strongly indicates that they are really just running some hacked version of the old OS that only looks similar to what's on the iPhone.
If the localisation part of OS-X was installed, this stuff certainly would not be happening. Also, the problem with cover-flow is likely related to trying to make something that is easy to do with Core Animation, work on an OS that has none of the same underpinnings.
I noticed this also, even though I only have a nano.
Sadly, Americans are particularly bad at even *knowing* that there are international standards, let alone following them.
I think this is mostly interesting from the standpoint of what OS the iPods are running however.
The implication has always been that the new generation of iPods, run OS-X like the iPhone, (even though Apple has very carefully remained mum on this point). This kind of thing however, very strongly indicates that they are really just running some hacked version of the old OS that only looks similar to what's on the iPhone.
If the localisation part of OS-X was installed, this stuff certainly would not be happening. Also, the problem with cover-flow is likely related to trying to make something that is easy to do with Core Animation, work on an OS that has none of the same underpinnings.
Great update! The menus are unbelievably fast, quite a difference from the launch software that's for sure! Classic's amazing now, even Coverflow is good (though artwork is still slow to pop up sometimes, a hardware limitation not software one)
amen, brother.
I think you are both talking about the same thing. It's about the I/O speed of the hardrive and the limitations therein in both cases.
The problem with coverflow on the nano and the flash-based players is something else entirely as there is realistically no reason for the speed of the data read to affect things being nearly instantaneous in comparison and only having a max of 8Gigs of files t look at.
The smaller, flash-based iPods problem with coverflow is (was?) strictly a software problem to do with cacheing.
Apple cable chip *is* conspiracy theory
Not true, never has been, AFAIK.
The original poster probably just bought a cheap "Made in China" product that lied on it's packaging about being compatible. This is very common.
Think about it, ... if video out is only now being properly supported, and the nano is only out for a month anyway, how likely is it that a manufacturer could have made a compatible cable that this fellow already bought?
Also, the only cable that did work previous to this, was the one Apple makes and sells, so why didn't this guy buy one of those when he bought his iPod? Probably because he already had the other one, indicating that he probably bought it before the nano was even out.
Finally, Apple certainly did not tell any of it's accessory makers that it was changing the way video was streamed out of their devices, (they didn't even tell the pouch makers about the new form factors.) So how did this manufacturer find out the pin-outs and such, months before the nano was even revealed for the first time?
Sorry, but this idea that there is a "secret chip" in the cable that stops you from using non-Apple cables is just a myth.
Not true, never has been, AFAIK.
The original poster probably just bought a cheap "Made in China" product that lied on it's packaging about being compatible. This is very common.
Think about it, ... if video out is only now being properly supported, and the nano is only out for a month anyway, how likely is it that a manufacturer could have made a compatible cable that this fellow already bought?
Also, the only cable that did work previous to this, was the one Apple makes and sells, so why didn't this guy buy one of those when he bought his iPod? Probably because he already had the other one, indicating that he probably bought it before the nano was even out.
Finally, Apple certainly did not tell any of it's accessory makers that it was changing the way video was streamed out of their devices, (they didn't even tell the pouch makers about the new form factors.) So how did this manufacturer find out the pin-outs and such, months before the nano was even revealed for the first time?
Meh
this update is ok but no where near great.
i still have many problems:
coverflow still organises by artist and not album which i find annoying but even if you accept this it orginises then using the 'artist' rather than the 'album artist' so certian albums still appear multiple times because they have many artists but are not compilations. plus when you have hundreds of albums it is still slow as hell.
on TV shows, it still sometimes orders them by name rather than episodeID, this must be a bug because they seem to change between name and ID randomly
Movies sometimes list backwards but are still in normal order so clicking on something will result in a different moie being played.
sometimes, on videos when it gets to the end it just stops and doesn't return to the menu. so next time you watch it just flashes and goes back to the menu meaning you have to select it again.
- come on apple, i paid nearly £250 for this and it's breaking my heart
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160Gb iPod Classic
this update is ok but no where near great.
i still have many problems:
coverflow still organises by artist and not album which i find annoying but even if you accept this it orginises then using the 'artist' rather than the 'album artist' so certian albums still appear multiple times because they have many artists but are not compilations. plus when you have hundreds of albums it is still slow as hell.
on TV shows, it still sometimes orders them by name rather than episodeID, this must be a bug because they seem to change between name and ID randomly
Movies sometimes list backwards but are still in normal order so clicking on something will result in a different moie being played.
sometimes, on videos when it gets to the end it just stops and doesn't return to the menu. so next time you watch it just flashes and goes back to the menu meaning you have to select it again.
- come on apple, i paid nearly £250 for this and it's breaking my heart---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
160Gb iPod Classic
"The update also adds a third "Ask" option to the TV output category that lets users selectively turn on TV mode when attached to an authorized video-capable peripheral."
The TVOut option can now be set to On or Ask, but it still doesn't work with my non-Apple cable which was advertised to work with the Nano 3g. When you try to view video or photos, it says to plug in the video cable, which I already have.
Apparently the rumors about Apple locking it down are true. Sad if Apple is really doing this to milk more money for accessories rather than having a good technical reason.
I'm assuming this update is referring to video out through the headphone socket. I have the Apple AV connection cable which worked via the headphone socket on my 5G. I haven't yet updated my classic, but I'll try the cable again when I have.
Please post your results ASAP.
Anyone else please do the same. I will try to dig mine up once my classic is updated. This thing couldn't download any faster.
I can second Durendal's results. I set up my 5G iPod to my TV with a camcorder cable to my TV with the Right and Video connectors swapped and got good video and audio. Swapped out the 5G with a 3G nano with Ask configured on the TV Out settings, and all I got was the warning that I had to connect it to a dock connector, and the only option was to return to the previous menu.
Why buy a non-Apple cable? Are you serious? $50 for a simple cable? Thats ridiculously expensive, especially for a $150 iPod Nano.
Why would Apple change the pinout for video on the ipod connector from the previous ipod video if there wasn't some scheme to extort more money and lock the interface... in the same way that they've locked out apps from the iPhone. Apple seems to want to keep the money for themselves. $50 for a cable in simply insane.
On the other hand, the previous poster talking about a decoder chip being in the cable doesn't make sense. The iPod obviously decodes video, that how you can view it on the Nano. Its hard to imagine what complex function the cable could have to implement.
Big step forward. Kudos, Steve
steve jobs is wonderful... but you should be thanking the ipod dev teams instead...
It's just an update, you know
What are you doing, having sex while you update your iPod? Gee, people, calm down. No need for sacriligious profanity.
What are you doing, having sex while you update your iPod? Gee, people, calm down. No need for sacriligious profanity.
The TVOut option can now be set to On or Ask, but it still doesn't work with my non-Apple cable which was advertised to work with the Nano 3g. When you try to view video or photos, it says to plug in the video cable, which I already have.
Apparently the rumors about Apple locking it down are true. Sad if Apple is really doing this to milk more money for accessories rather than having a good technical reason.
This thread has a lot of very helpful comments. I bet the iPod group is reading it.
Since Apple relies on a strong iPod ecosystem, hence the iPhone pre-announcement, it seems like video incompatibilities are more likely ralated to plug changes, chip changes and OS changes. OSX still is lacking many features of OS9, so let Apple know what old features you miss on new iPod OS builds.
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I wasn't being critical of the iPods, I was just merely saying that coverflow isn't that enjoyable to use... It isn't nice to use on my computer either!
actually i do agree. coverflow is useless but look nice for "now playing" on your mac. Just essy to scroll names pm your ipod.
Hmmm, that sounds good enough that maybe I'll buy one. It was really keeping me from liking them. Now just to scrounge up the money...
Video output already works with Apple's iPod Universal dock
A lot of these video theories (conspiracy and otherwise -- decode chip in cable, etc.) can be put to rest by noting that video output works on the 3rd-generation nano (that's the new one) using the s-video port on Apple's iPod Universal dock. In this case, all you need is Apple's existing iPod Universal dock and any generic s-video cable. I think I purchased my iPod Universal dock six to nine months ago and it works just fine for connecting my new iPod nano to my TV.
However, people who have the Apple AV cable that connected through the headphone jack can forget about it working with the new iPods. Video is now available only through the dock connector so you will either need the iPod Universal dock for s-video output, or one of the new AV cables from Apple that attach directly to the dock connector on the iPod.
A lot of these video theories (conspiracy and otherwise -- decode chip in cable, etc.) can be put to rest by noting that video output works on the 3rd-generation nano (that's the new one) using the s-video port on Apple's iPod Universal dock. In this case, all you need is Apple's existing iPod Universal dock and any generic s-video cable. I think I purchased my iPod Universal dock six to nine months ago and it works just fine for connecting my new iPod nano to my TV.
However, people who have the Apple AV cable that connected through the headphone jack can forget about it working with the new iPods. Video is now available only through the dock connector so you will either need the iPod Universal dock for s-video output, or one of the new AV cables from Apple that attach directly to the dock connector on the iPod.
Does anyone have one of those external screens with iPod docks? The Classic broke compatibility with these units, I am just wondering if maybe the update fixed it (doubt it though...)
EDIT- iLounge found some interesting results-
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ne...sic-102-updates-change-video-cover-flow/11611
EDIT- iLounge found some interesting results-
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ne...sic-102-updates-change-video-cover-flow/11611