iPod touch 3g an epic fail in the making?

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  1. ZunePodTouch macrumors newbie

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    The iPod touch now has a serious competitor in the form of the Zune HD, so Apple really need to making the 3G a compelling upgrade. Sadly it seems that the best Apple could come up with is a camera module. Is this going to be enough to stop buyers moving over to the Zune HD?

    In terms of features the Zune HD is ahead in most areas...

    Design: Both about equal, although many people will prefer to non scratch back of the Zune HD

    Touchscreen: Equal. Same technolgy

    Display: Zune is clear winner here with OLED technology, great viewing angles and incredible clarity

    Processor and graphics: Zune well ahead here thanks to the Tegra

    Battery life: The combination of OLED screen and Tegra chipset means the Zune will offer significantly better battery life than the iPod.

    Software: The client and device software of the Zune HD look to be top notch.

    Apps: iPod touch will have an advantage here for a while, but Microsoft has an army of developers porting applications from the appstore to the Zune HD platform. App parity will likely not take long.

    Price: The confirmed price of the 16GB Zune HD is $50 lower than the 2G 16GB iPod Touch. Is Apple expected to lower the price of the 3G touch?
     
  2. old-wiz macrumors G3

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    Considering that no one has seen an iPod Touch 3G, how can you be sure it won't be better than the Zune?

    Does Microsoft have a working app store? music?

    What about all the current iPod Touch/iPhone users? Do you seriously think they will dump their iPods to get a Zune, which would require them to re-purchase all of their apps and music?
     
  3. r.j.s Moderator emeritus

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    What about the fact that the Zune still doesn't work on Macs?
     
  4. James L macrumors 6502a

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    You're totally right. You should buy a Zune.
     
  5. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    You've got an interesting post, but its going to be incredibly difficult for Microsoft to get anywhere near as many apps as Apple unless they manage to sell a huge number of players. At the very least they need to sell 2-3 million before Christmas.

    DRM free music from the iTunes Store will play on Zunes.
     
  6. RKO macrumors 6502

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    Yep I reckon you're sold on the Zune too.
     
  7. r.j.s Moderator emeritus

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    Maybe, but unless there have been new developments that Google is not showing to me, there is no way to get the music on the Zune if you have a Mac. Unless you resort to BC or virtualization.
     
  8. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Zune has lost the war. Someone please alert Redmond.
     
  9. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Good point. I guess you mean Microsoft not Google though ;).
     
  10. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Agree. OP, how can you compare the Zune HD to something that is not yet for sale nor do we know the specs?

    True.

    With a Mac, is it possible to simply drag MP3 files from the Mac to the Zune like other MP3 players?
     
  11. r.j.s Moderator emeritus

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    No, I meant Google. I was searching for a way to sync them.

    From what I found, no.
     
  12. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Well, that sort of leaves out the Mac using crowd.

    So is the Zune HD something that Microsoft is trying to increase market share? Or is it something that Microsoft is letting die a slow death?
     
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  14. r.j.s Moderator emeritus

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    It is supposed to be the line's savior, but it may just be going out with a bang.
     
  15. randomusername macrumors 6502

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    That just made my day. You expect people to buy the Zune HD over the iPod Touch? It's an iPod! Look at the iPod Nano and Classic. There are tons of better products out there, but none of them come close to selling as much as Apple sells.


    iPods have been getting scratched forever and people don't seem to care.

    I'll give you that.

    Wrong. If you look at the device software, it's actually pretty bad. Here's how I look at how well software is designed. How intuitive would it be without the colors, cool fonts, and animations? The Zune HD is pretty poor when it comes to intuitiveness. The software keyboard doesn't have enough space or any space dividing keys and the landscape keyboard could be much wider. The web browser lacks copy/paste, tabbed browsing, and the ability to share links. When watching a video, navigation controls take up the entire screen (forward/backwards, volume up/down) and you can barely see the video when the iPhone OS has just two boxes for navigation, giving you a lot of room to see the video playing. You have to go into a separate menu to find a song based on it's first letter when the iPhone/iPod Touch has the letters already there in the "All Songs" menu. On iPod Touch to get to a category (podcasts, albums, artists, all songs) it requires one or two touches but the Zune HD requires you to slide, slide, slide along the top until you get to where you want.

    There are many more examples of things like these. What I'm saying is the cool animations and menus and now playing screens are flashy and nice but they're there at the sacrifice of functionality and intuitiveness.

    Apple will almost definitely discontinue the 8GB model and have a 16GB model at $199 or $229, a 32GB model at $299, and a 64GB model at $399 (the Zune HD doesn't have a 64GB model).

    Apple has nothing to worry about.
     
  16. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Agree with the pricing.

    However, Apple has to continue to innovate and update the iPod line to remain competitive. Many other companies want to take away their market share.
     
  17. gatepc macrumors 6502

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    I don't agree with you. I think its going to be an epic win! I could care less about the camera but what is SUPER important to me is the app store and I don't think ANY other company (EVEN MS) is going to catch up to the app store anytime soon. Also just the speed improvements and more ram added to the device is a huge deal for me. The only thing I like that the zune has and the touch probably won't is the OLED screen but that alone is not going to make me buy a zune over a iPod Touch. Not to mention I don't even think they have macintosh software available lol. To me the iPod Touch is more of a PDA then an iPod and the apps in the app store are essential for making it into a PDA something the zune just can not do yet.
     
  18. 1283956 macrumors newbie

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    why would u need to rebuy all ur music?
    even if he couldnt move them he can just get them for free -.-
     
  19. gatepc macrumors 6502

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    Some people prefer to buy music legally thats why, rather then steel it.
     
  20. seb-opp macrumors 6502

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    The OP's argument is entirely pointless. 'iPod' is now synonymous with 'MP3 player' and has dominated the market for years. The reason for this is because it is a fashion accessory. The average person is not interested in specs, but buys an iPod because they are cool, and on top of they come in a range of price points so cost is not an issue. And as the iPod has been dominant for several years, people are unlikely to switch to a different brand because of the hassle of having to ditch iTunes and start using other software.

    Most people won't care that the Zune allegedly has better specs. There have been so many music players in the past which were 'better' than the iPod but never caught on. Specs don't matter at all the the average user, all they care about is image and basic usability.
     
  21. SpaceKitty macrumors 68040

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    I couldn't tell you what OLED is and neither could at least half of the people who own an iPod so why should OLED matter?

    Half of the things you mention, don't matter to someone buying a music player.

    I simply want mine to hold lots of songs and that's it.

    After all this time, I still only knew one person who owned a Zune. He didn't buy it, someone at his school was giving them away. :eek:
     
  22. creon macrumors 6502

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    I really hate how people say 'epic fail'. I hate it so much that I disregarded the whole rambling on about the iPod Touch and proceeded to just comment about his ridiculously immature way of approaching a topic.

    Tip to the OP: Next time you are about to plead a case make sure you stay away from the following maxims: noob, epic fail, and owned.
     
  23. Mexbearpig macrumors 65816

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    I don't care what the zune has that is better than the iPod touch that no one knows much about. Nothing IMO will ever beat an Apple product.
    Am I missing something? And with an update soon, battery will probably be improved.
    IMO I dont trust any Microsoft OS
    Yes, like the 1G upgrade to the 2G, they will probably double the capacity at the same price. So I think it will be $30 more for the Zune HD if this happens?
     
  24. Eric5h5 macrumors 68020

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    I find your attempt at astroturfing as sad as it is laughable.

    --Eric
     
  25. svndmvn Guest

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    epic fail because MS decided to discontinue all the other Zunes and is still not selling them out of the US?
    MS has had something like 8 years to catch up with Apple regarding iPods and about 2 regarding the touch and you, OP, seriously think it's all about specs especially OLED/HD?
    Even Creative/Sony probably have better products than MS's.
    Apple will just see numbers grow which is pretty much a win in my book.
     

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