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My 10 year old son has been craving one of these for a while. I told him no because of the A10 processor—it just doesn't make sense to me. Last week, I began reading the Fadell book, Build, and was inspired by the introduction. There, he says that his grandfather helped him save the money to buy an Apple ][ when he was 12. I told my son I had an idea: for every Swift Playground he completed, I would give him some money to save up for a new Apple device...

Yesterday I broke the news to him. He is super smart (started reading when he was less than 3yr), but his mind doesn't understand how quickly "while supplies last" is. He thinks there will still be some by the time he saves his money. He asked my mother, his grandma, if he could help her clean houses to make some money. He said that she would give him $20 for each house he helps clean, so he did the math and was so excited yesterday at the possibility of finally getting one.

He doesn't know it, but grandma went ahead and gave us the money yesterday to order one and put it up without telling him. He is going to help her clean, save his money, work on Swift Playgrounds, and when he sadly thinks they are all out of stock, there'll be one waiting for him.

It might not make the news like the introduction of Tony Fadell's book, but I can't wait to surprise him with it. He has a brilliant mind to be 10, and I hope that continues the spark that tech puts in his eye--that he will do good with it far more than I ever hope to.
Cute and fun story.
It’s gonna be a real shame when it turns out that iOS 16 drops support for it and you just sent $200+ down the toilet /J
I kid of course… but really if I were you, I would seriously consider sending that back and opting for a 2020 SE which can be found for about the same price from most retailers.
I get it, your kid is 10, no need for the fanciest stuff, but seriously you’re basically buying him something that’s dead on arrival.
The 2020 SE not only has a much newer processor, much better battery, bigger screen for about the same price, but since it’s a phone, three years or so from now when he’s 13/14 going into highschool, you can slap a SIM card in it and connected to your plan without having to purchase an entirely new device. Not to mention that it’s probably going to get another four years or so of updates, compared to the iPod touch which could easily lose support this fall.
Remember, Apple introduced the seventh iPod touch, and then killed the sixth generation software support a week later. It’s happened.
 
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Why not update the internals a bit and sell this as an iPad micro for $129? would sell millions
You know it’s already selling for $199? They can’t update the internals and lower the price, that would be counterintuitive to their mission, which is to make as much profit as possible.
I think they pushed that 2012 design about as far as it will go, the battery just isn’t good enough for the newer processors and making a whole new design would basically jack up the price by a couple hundred dollars which… At that point it’s just an iPhone SE
 
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there goes the public freaking out over discontinued product.. time to resell for much higher price cuz that's all people do LOL
 
Trouble is storing for a long time period the battery will croak. Had new 160GB disk drive units and batteries were dead when tried to bring them to life a couple of years ago.
The iPod modding scene is pretty healthy with tons of options for converting old iPods to flash storage and replacing their batteries. Pretty easy to replace now.
 
I agree with you, but what about older iPhones that are unboxed?
As amazing as the iPhone is, they are just mass-produced items with a limited shelf life.

Outside of niche collectors, how many people actually want an old 3G? The everyman isn't going to pay a high price for old gadgets. That money is better spent on a newer device.
 
My 10 year old son has been craving one of these for a while. I told him no because of the A10 processor—it just doesn't make sense to me. Last week, I began reading the Fadell book, Build, and was inspired by the introduction. There, he says that his grandfather helped him save the money to buy an Apple ][ when he was 12. I told my son I had an idea: for every Swift Playground he completed, I would give him some money to save up for a new Apple device...

Yesterday I broke the news to him. He is super smart (started reading when he was less than 3yr), but his mind doesn't understand how quickly "while supplies last" is. He thinks there will still be some by the time he saves his money. He asked my mother, his grandma, if he could help her clean houses to make some money. He said that she would give him $20 for each house he helps clean, so he did the math and was so excited yesterday at the possibility of finally getting one.

He doesn't know it, but grandma went ahead and gave us the money yesterday to order one and put it up without telling him. He is going to help her clean, save his money, work on Swift Playgrounds, and when he sadly thinks they are all out of stock, there'll be one waiting for him.

It might not make the news like the introduction of Tony Fadell's book, but I can't wait to surprise him with it. He has a brilliant mind to be 10, and I hope that continues the spark that tech puts in his eye--that he will do good with it far more than I ever hope to.
I want to say something, and I REALLY hope you won't be offended - he sounds like me. EXACTLY like me. I was reading by the time I was 2, and I could write before I started nursery (preschool). I went through the school reading scheme, such as it was, within 2 weeks in Reception (Kindergarten), and I was allowed to sit in the book corner and read on my own. I was the kid my peers always asked for spellings if the teacher was busy (I don't recall we had teaching assistants back then) - but, despite that, I was told I was dyslexic. I had literally NONE of the characteristic traits of dyslexia - I could spell words most of my peers couldn't (dyslexics, as you probably know, spell phonetically (eg 'phone' spelt 'fone', 'know' spelt 'no' or enough spelt 'enuf'). One of the major issues for dyslexics are 'silent' letters.

Obviously, I wasn't - but my mother just went along with what Sister Kevin (yep, a nun called Kevin; Kevin Arthur Russell) told her (something I've never really quite forgiven her for - she knew what I was reading at home). I HATED that school (I don't know if I'd have been better at a state school, because I was never given the opportunity to find out).

I have zero concept of time. What's he like with other things - like organisation? How is he in lessons at school? What I'm trying to say is - have you ever considered the possibility he could have Asperger's...? I have Asperger's, ADHD and dyspraxia. I had to wait until I was 35 to find that out (Asperger's wasn't a thing in the '70s and, even now, all of the above are STILL considered to be 'boys' things').

If me suggesting that upsets/offends you, then I sincerely apologise but, being autistic/neurodiverse isn't something to be ashamed of (Einstein had Asperger's (or he'd have definitely been diagnosed with it had it been a thing) he was also severely dyslexic) - it's neurotypicals which have the problem - and they refuse to change. I'm a square peg - I have no problem with being a square peg, but it's impossible being a square peg when society only offers round holes, and expects us to lose our corners (or at the very least become hexagonal/octagonal) - and the problem with hammering a square peg into a round hole, isn't that the hammering is hard work, it's that you're destroying the peg. I'm a very destroyed peg.

I'm only suggesting this because I don't want your lad to suffer like I have; due to the way society has treated me, I now have CPTSD.

I'd suggest an iPad mini, but they're considerably more. (£479 for a 64GB wifi only model, presume the £:$ exchange rate is taken as parity). I want one (I also want to replace my iPad Pro) - purple's my favourite colour. Is there anyway you could make a deal with him...? If he manages to save up £240, that you'd give him the rest (that said, I do think 64GB is rather paltry, never understood why Apple did away with the 128GB size). Just don't let him see the Pencil...

Unfortunately, on closer inspection, the iPod touch has disappeared from the UK Apple Store, so he may already be SOL (as it'll likely be the same in the US (if that's where you are)).
 
I really don’t see this holding that much value in the future. It has an ancient design and chip. Plus, it’s nowhere near as attractive as it’s predecessors. Apple was smart to let it go out with a bang instead of slowly fading away. That’s one way to push product!
 
Everyone's acting like this was the last "iPod" when there has been an "iPod" on the market for years. If you want an iPod Touch and can't get one anymore, just buy a 7 / 8/ SE / X / 11 / 12 / 13 and don't put a sim card in it. It's the same thing!
 
If I bought iPod touch today I'd keep it boxed and never unbox it and sell it 10 years later. Probably a good plan. Not really sure. I've noticed that it's a hit or miss. I certainly regret unboxing and using the first iPhone.
Imagine all the first movers had left their iPhones in the box …
 
Technically, sure. But in about three days, they will all be on Ebay for about four times the price.
 
Everyone's acting like this was the last "iPod" when there has been an "iPod" on the market for years. If you want an iPod Touch and can't get one anymore, just buy a 7 / 8/ SE / X / 11 / 12 / 13 and don't put a sim card in it. It's the same thing!
Not a single one of those phones have a headphone jack though. And yes, as a music player attached to a sound system that headphone jack is valuable to have.
 
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I'm torn. I almost bought one, just for being a dedicated music player. But last month, I bought a iPod classic with 256 gigs, SSD, new big battery, brand new screen, custom colors. It's great. the only thing thats not good about it is it doesn't have blue tooth. Still, I have an iPhone se 2 I'm replacing this fall with either a 13 mini or a 14 pro, and I can just use this iPhone as an iPod touch with blue tooth if I want.
 
My 10 year old son has been craving one of these for a while. I told him no because of the A10 processor—it just doesn't make sense to me. Last week, I began reading the Fadell book, Build, and was inspired by the introduction. There, he says that his grandfather helped him save the money to buy an Apple ][ when he was 12. I told my son I had an idea: for every Swift Playground he completed, I would give him some money to save up for a new Apple device...

Yesterday I broke the news to him. He is super smart (started reading when he was less than 3yr), but his mind doesn't understand how quickly "while supplies last" is. He thinks there will still be some by the time he saves his money. He asked my mother, his grandma, if he could help her clean houses to make some money. He said that she would give him $20 for each house he helps clean, so he did the math and was so excited yesterday at the possibility of finally getting one.

He doesn't know it, but grandma went ahead and gave us the money yesterday to order one and put it up without telling him. He is going to help her clean, save his money, work on Swift Playgrounds, and when he sadly thinks they are all out of stock, there'll be one waiting for him.

It might not make the news like the introduction of Tony Fadell's book, but I can't wait to surprise him with it. He has a brilliant mind to be 10, and I hope that continues the spark that tech puts in his eye--that he will do good with it far more than I ever hope to.
The best thing is you are teaching him the value of work!
 
I have hard time seeing an iPod touch retaining or rising in value. The only thing unique about it is that it's the last version of the product line. There are millions of iOS devices in circulation that can do everything the iPod can do, and there will be millions more in circulation in 10 years.
Another factor is the dwindling number of apps it will run and of course the end of OS updates, whenever that happens.
 
I recall long before the iPhone I had an iPod touch , when I took it on holiday with me everyone was blown away by the touch interface , I even showed them Top Gear episodes on it , oh what great days they were :)

Now everyone's so jaded
The iphone came out several months before the ipod touch.
 
End of an era. Crazy. Any other product wouldn’t be quite as sentimental, but it’s crazy to think about Apple not selling an iPod.
 
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My 10 year old son has been craving one of these for a while. I told him no because of the A10 processor—it just doesn't make sense to me. Last week, I began reading the Fadell book, Build, and was inspired by the introduction. There, he says that his grandfather helped him save the money to buy an Apple ][ when he was 12. I told my son I had an idea: for every Swift Playground he completed, I would give him some money to save up for a new Apple device...

Yesterday I broke the news to him. He is super smart (started reading when he was less than 3yr), but his mind doesn't understand how quickly "while supplies last" is. He thinks there will still be some by the time he saves his money. He asked my mother, his grandma, if he could help her clean houses to make some money. He said that she would give him $20 for each house he helps clean, so he did the math and was so excited yesterday at the possibility of finally getting one.

He doesn't know it, but grandma went ahead and gave us the money yesterday to order one and put it up without telling him. He is going to help her clean, save his money, work on Swift Playgrounds, and when he sadly thinks they are all out of stock, there'll be one waiting for him.

It might not make the news like the introduction of Tony Fadell's book, but I can't wait to surprise him with it. He has a brilliant mind to be 10, and I hope that continues the spark that tech puts in his eye--that he will do good with it far more than I ever hope to.
Good for you and your son! When I was his age, my parents gave me my dads old iPod touch 2nd gen. They had it set up so i couldn't browse the web or anything, but I loved using that thing to explore the world with google earth and listen to foreign music on internet radio stations.
 
A LOT of companies rely on the iPod Touch for all sorts of things. From POS to remotes to controllers to scanners. At $199 it's a great value for a single application device.

The iPhone SE will work in its place, but it's twice the price and considerably larger. I expect the touch will rise in price until it's just below the iPhone SE at around $400. If you already have a case or fitting for an iPod Touch it's just easier to replace it with something that already fits instead of moving to the iPhone SE.
 
My 10 year old son has been craving one of these for a while. I told him no because of the A10 processor—it just doesn't make sense to me. Last week, I began reading the Fadell book, Build, and was inspired by the introduction. There, he says that his grandfather helped him save the money to buy an Apple ][ when he was 12. I told my son I had an idea: for every Swift Playground he completed, I would give him some money to save up for a new Apple device...

Yesterday I broke the news to him. He is super smart (started reading when he was less than 3yr), but his mind doesn't understand how quickly "while supplies last" is. He thinks there will still be some by the time he saves his money. He asked my mother, his grandma, if he could help her clean houses to make some money. He said that she would give him $20 for each house he helps clean, so he did the math and was so excited yesterday at the possibility of finally getting one.

He doesn't know it, but grandma went ahead and gave us the money yesterday to order one and put it up without telling him. He is going to help her clean, save his money, work on Swift Playgrounds, and when he sadly thinks they are all out of stock, there'll be one waiting for him.

It might not make the news like the introduction of Tony Fadell's book, but I can't wait to surprise him with it. He has a brilliant mind to be 10, and I hope that continues the spark that tech puts in his eye--that he will do good with it far more than I ever hope to.
Wow that is a great story! Your son sounds like has quite a future ahead of him!
 
My 10 year old son has been craving one of these for a while. I told him no because of the A10 processor—it just doesn't make sense to me.
Seriously? Holy ****. You're actually deciding what you buy for you kid, depending on what makes sense to you? You ever thought that maybe kids see the world and things differently? Whats next, you wont buy him pencils for school because you write everything on computer so it doesnt make any sense to you?
 
Seriously? Holy ****. You're actually deciding what you buy for you kid, depending on what makes sense to you? You ever thought that maybe kids see the world and things differently? Whats next, you wont buy him pencils for school because you write everything on computer so it doesnt make any sense to you?
What’s wrong with a parent being smart about their kid blowing $200 on a device that may not be supported by the end of next year?

The iPod touch is a terrible buy. It has a 6 year old processor, 25 gb storage when you start it up and the battery life is atrocious. I know, I sold mine after about a week.
 
As amazing as the iPhone is, they are just mass-produced items with a limited shelf life.

Outside of niche collectors, how many people actually want an old 3G? The everyman isn't going to pay a high price for old gadgets. That money is better spent on a newer device.
When they first came out, for sure. They were NOT ubiquitous at all b/c...
1) Only AT&T agreed to play ball with Apple there
Some refused to switch to AT&T, while others did so begrudgingly to try the iPhone
2) They were quite expensive (more so than today)
3) IIRC, no phone plans subsidizing them (at least what we have in the USA)

... as such, iPhones at the time were also status symbols. Nowadays, everybody, their kids, and their pets have one. There are very affordable low end models now (heh.. never thought I'd hear "low end" with Apple stuff, :p but yeah, I get it's all relative), but with so many generations in, it's easy to just give your old phone to somebody else.

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Yeah, it depends on how you look at the pricing. $200 to $400 for a "piece of history", a device that has nostalgia, small form factor, and the "Apple-ness" and quality you'd expect isn't too shabby.

OTOH, I have plenty of better ways to $200 to $400 on tech and stuff. For gaming, $300 gets me a (Nintendo) Switch. Don't get me wrong, I've been enjoying Apple Arcade so far, but they're still 2 very different platforms for gaming. I have no interest in a Play Station 5, but I know some who are still trying to get one. For phones, my Google Pixel 4A screen is too small (specifically, too narrow) for my likings. I've been sticking with it until the Pixel 6 or 6 Pro gets discounts/sales. At this point, may as well see what the Pixel 6A offers (and use that money towards a new device).

I'm reminded that by also skipping the IpT6, that was $$ towards the iPad I have now.
 
Why not an se, it's cheaper? I could never justify buying an iPhone 11 for a kid!
Cheaper? It's still a $400+ phone. It isn't cheap by any means. Once you're in that territory, you need to seriously assess value. Not just how to spend as little as possible. It is better to spend $500 on something that is A LOT better than its $400 alternative.
 
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