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iPod touch Released

Very cool. I will think about getting one when next updated as I would really like a bigger disk size. I wouldn't mind if it were slightly larger if it had 40GB of storage space. Still very nice. I'm happy that Apple introduced this while still keeping the "Classic".
 
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If they had put a decent sized h.d. on it, say 80 g.b. (or even 64 g.b. of NAND) I would have been first in line, but 16 g.b? Give me a break. I might spring for the 160 g.b. Classic, though, at least enough room to store a few videos, and being able to output them to tv is cool.
 
I guess I'm one of the rare ones with a small music collection? Anyway...I watched the Apple video of the touch and I have to say I'm pretty excited and can't wait for it to arrive in a few weeks :D This is probably a stupid question but would the videos for my 5G be the right size for the touch? in terms of screen size
 
Still a toss-up for me... iPod Classic 160 or iPod touch.

Argh...

I'm kind of surprised Steve went with a price point where the better touch is the same price as the iPhone.

I'm also surprised they didn't put more storage on the touch and the iPhone...

C 'est la vie.

As for getting by, I've got a 1GB 1st Gen iPod Shuffle and a 1GB 1st Gen iPod Nano, and each of those has been pretty decent.
 
acerbas said:
If they had put a decent sized h.d. on it, say 80 g.b. (or even 64 g.b. of NAND) I would have been first in line, but 16 g.b? Give me a break. I might spring for the 160 g.b. Classic, though, at least enough room to store a few videos, and being able to output them to tv is cool.
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Sad part is I could back up my entire HDD, and STILL have enough room for music and videos on the thing. :eek:
 
To the complainers

1. A multitouch screen takes up a good amount of space.
2. The battery life is bearly descent on the iPhone, with FLASH.
3. A HDD iPod with OSX would drain battery extremely fast.
4. Apple has aesthetic standards.
5. Apple is trying to get rid of moving parts.
6. The iPod is much more durable this way.

These are a few of the reasons why Apple only released a 16 GB Flash iPod.
I have a 4GB iPhone and have 679 songs and 7 videos, with 122 MB to spare. I'm going to eventually purchase the 160GB Classic to store all of my music.

Why complain? They are doing they best they can with what the industry has to offer.
 
The storage cap doesn't bother me at all. I've survived with my iPod Mini for the last few years. 16GBs will work until something bigger becomes available. I can't get an iPhone where I live, so I'm stoked about the touch.

But since it is OSX based, what other apps will it run? I saw the iCal icon, but couldn't see what the others were during the keynote. Will it do Address Book, games... maybe Mail later on? I'm interested in what else it'll do besides music, movies, and wireless iTunes... what about bluetooth headphones?
 
i dont think you guys understand. This iPod, wait, I mean PDA, is 8mm thin! Thats .31 inches! AMAZING. I know, i know, 16gb is not much storage. But how often are you at the gym working out and you say, "Hmmm...I really want to watch Spiderman 2 right now, but my ipod cant hold 10 full-length films." I mean come on. I have a ton of movies on my 5gen but they dont need to be there constantly. When i go on a road trip, i will sync the ones i want. My music, i choose the playlists i want (even though all my songs will fit). We should be happy about this, guys. I know I am...hence my ordering lol. I think most of you will come around, besides, you cant surf the net on the iPod Classic hahaa :apple:

btw, i called Apple, no bluetooth.
 
how is this wifi thing going to work? will it prompt you to log-in if you are close to a network? can you download stuff from a web-page to your ipod?

the other thing is third-party apps... if the iphone didn't have them because of AT&T - why can't the ipod touch have them?

I think I would like using it to give powerpoint style presentations - I'd hook it up to a projector (it sure would beat lugging around a laptop - but then again I'd have to lug around a projector... anyway - maybe someone will invent the projector dock).

Oh well... I am in the market for a new iPod... my first gen 5G still works great, but I figure it's time to treat myself.

-to
 
Yea, still deciding between an iPod Classic, or iPod touch. Funny thing is that the Classic has 10 times the storage space, for 50 dollars less for each model.

In the end, I think it comes down to "do i want a true music and video player? or do I want something cool to impress my friends?"

Leaning towards the touch though considering I probably only listen to 10 gigs of my music at a time, but not sure about videos.
 
The thing that appeals to me about the I-pod Touch is that it costs so much less to own than the I-Phone during the first year of ownership. The initial cost for the I-pod Touch is $100 less than the I-phone and the annual operating cost is at least $720 less ($60 per month x 12 months).

That's an $820.00 savings for the first year of ownership!

The only thing ones sacrifice is the phone application which one can acquire for $260 with a plain vanilla cell phone.
 
cepler said:
16 GB is insufficient, would have been nice to see this in a hard drive based larger size unit ~80 gig. Oh well.
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It's a flash based drive.

It would be a hell of a lot thicker if it had a hard drive in it.

Overall, I'm impressed with the updates, the iPhone price drop is HUGE. You pay 100 more dollars to get an iPod with Phone capabilities.

I think we all saw this coming, an intermingling of the iPhone and a touch screen iPod.

What pisses me off is how the iPod is now the iPod classic. Sure it doesn't have touch screen but it has up to 160 gbs of storage. That's 10x more then the 400 dollar iPod touch!

Apple is offering tons of options at this point. I would buy an iPhone rather than just a iPod touch, a 100 difference, that is amazing.

I'm sure lots of people are furious over the price-drops after dropping 700 dollars on the high end iPhones.
 
twoodcc said:
it's nice and all....but i've already got my iPhone
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see this is my dilemma, i really like the ipod-touch, but with an 8gb iphone, is there any need for this? i am gonna pick up a nano, and, if they arrive at target within in the next week, an classic also, but a touch? whats the advantage of it if i already have an iphone?
 
Also, just to put the size capacity in perspective, I just looked at my iTunes Scrubs folder. I've got the entire season 6 downloaded and the whole thing is just 5.5GB. That's 22 episodes (20 plus minutes each episode). That's like 7.3 hours of video and leaves a little under 2/3rds (for the 16GB model) of the storage free for music (if my math hasn't failed me... it has been a long day).

I don't keep my whole library on my iPod, I just load up what I want to listen to for a few days at a time.
 
kermit4161 said:
Also, just to put the size capacity in perspective, I just looked at my iTunes Scrubs folder. I've got the entire season 6 downloaded and the whole thing is just 5.5GB. That's 22 episodes (20 plus minutes each episode). That's like 7.3 hours of video and leaves a little under 2/3rds (for the 16GB model) of the storage free for music (if my math hasn't failed me... it has been a long day).

I don't keep my whole library on my iPod, I just load up what I want to listen to for a few days at a time.
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That's what most people do, in iTunes you can select it to only sync stuff that you haven't played yet, because if you import everything at once, your drive is going to be filled up.

The iPod touch has a long future ahead of it, it is flash based, it will get thinner, more battery life, more UI enchancements, crap like that. AND let's not forget the touch screen and all the other fine and dandy stuff Apple has put into it.

The iPod classic continues to get more storage space but remains the same with the scroll wheel and all.
 
acrahm said:
see this is my dilemma, i really like the ipod-touch, but with an 8gb iphone, is there any need for this? i am gonna pick up a nano, and, if they arrive at target within in the next week, an classic also, but a touch? whats the advantage of it if i already have an iphone?
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None. Why would you even consider a touch if you have an iphone. Don't buy products just because you can, I know we are all Apple fans here but you shouldn't sell your soul to the corporations completely!
 
I found the touch to be the least exciting of the announcements today. It would be a fine product, in my opinion, if it had a hard drive, or *maybe* if the phone didn't exist.

As it is now, I think if you can live with 8 GB storage, get a nano instead. Huge savings, and a really tiny player.

If you want to carry every bit of music, podcasts, video, etc. the iPod Classic is an absolute gem. You'll have everything in your pocket.

The one area I think the touch might fit is if you *really* have a big need and desire for decent video on the go, like you're going to really use the video features all the time. Then the beautiful touch screen might be worth it for you, unless you have a phone.
 
Liquidog said:
I can't be bothered to read all 13 pages of "It's not big enough!" so I apologize if this has already been covered, but has anyone considered that there may be more than one reason to use flash memory? Everyone's talking about slimness, and how they could care less, but honestly, if getting the device slimmer was the only benefit of using an expensive solution like flash, then Apple wouldn't have done it. There are three main benefits to using flash:

1) Slimness. Go ahead and whine about how it doesn't matter, but when you have a company that builds it's entire appeal on slick and cool, it matters. A lot.

2) Battery life. Spinning a hard drive, however small, eats up more battery power than flash does. And we all know that Apple's been slammed in the past on battery life. They're not going through that again.

3) Last but not least, UI responsiveness. Don't you just love that solid feel of a hard disk iPod, when you select an option and you can actually feel the drive spinning to access whatever it is you want? Well guess what. That lag would completely ruin the much-touted touch interface of the touch. Imagine you've spent millions engineering this touch sensitive interface that is polished, fast, and beautiful. Then you match it up to something that basically creates a second of lag behind most of the actions that a user would take. That destroys the slickness, the "elegance," as apple is so fond of saying, of the device. It completely cripples the main selling point, which is not, even if many think it is, "wow this can hold a lot of stuff!" That was the original selling point for the original iPod: your music library in your pocket. When's the last time Apple used that line in it's marketing? 5 years ago?

The product line is changing, people. It's not about carrying every little file and song and video you have. It's about connectivity and hardware/software. Apple knows that anyone who's spending 250+ on a multimedia device probably has at least one computer and broadband internet access. So much of the content that people want is online, which is why wifi is such a big deal with the new iPod. It's all a part of services and entertainment moving online, ala google's web apps. The new iPod is a bridge between the stance that the user should have all the files, and the stance that everything you really want is online. When the original iPod was introduced, online content for entertainment purposes was in its infancy, so the device had to be able to store all of the user's content - and the more, the better. Now, there's a lot more online, and connecting to that is more important. Also, people talk about capacity like they're expecting these tiny devices to keep up with their desktop drive capacity. We're entering an era of absurdly cheap 500gb hard drives, and they're only going to get cheaper and bigger. It would be folly for Apple to attempt to keep up with that kind of storage arms race when storage is no longer the main selling point of their product. Regardless of internet forums like these, Apple is right, from a business standpoint, to choose the priorities that it has: size, connectivity, slickness/user interface.

Just my .02.
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Excellent Post! I can't believe the bitchin going on in this thread about capacity. You hit it right on the nose with response time and battery life.

I would much rather have 16GB of fast SLC flash memory with a 0.3ms response time than a stupid clunky 1.8" HDD with a 15ms+ access time and 1/4th the speed of the flash memory.

Most of the people complaining about capacity:

1) Are total newbies and do not even understand why they can't
buy a 160GB flash memory Ipod.

2) Aare one of they never-happy crowd who would be bitching about
the "crap battery life", "stuttering", and high price tag of a 160GB hdd ipod touch.

Im so SICK OF HEARING ABOUT CAPACITY! BUY A FRICKEN CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
 
Artofilm said:
I like how everyone complains on how they wanted a iPhone w/o the phone....
The iPhone was only 4GB and 8GB, and it was meant to be an everything phone.

I bet ppl would have complained if they introduced a large capacity ipod touch, because it would cost too much money..
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Actually I expect people would be complaining because the battery life would be about nil. A full-screen iPod with wi-fi and a hard drive would have, what, maybe 4 hours listening time or the ability to watch up to 5 youtube videos? :D

The 16GB version is going on my Christmas list. THEY FINALLY BROUGHT BACK THE NEWTON!! :p
 
i'm too lazy to read through all 24 pages of this post, regardless here are my thoughts.

There are three things that get me excited about the ipod touch
1. it has wifi
2. it is running a stripped version of osx
3. empty spaces on the home screen

even if we don't see any apps from apple in the near future remember that there are already native 3rd party apps running on what appears to be an identical OS on the iphone

Streaming all your songs over wifi from your computer at home doesn't seem that far fetched. Heck I don't see why you wouldn't be able to stream low-res h.264 content over 802.11g.

if it can stream youtube videos, why not content from apple? it could sync purchase information from the itunes store -- i can dream can't i?

Also has anyone considered that this thing would be the most badass remote for your computer ever. screen sharing with your home computer, apple tv control etc.

the ipod is finally becoming much much more than just a music player and i'm excited that apple is gradually integrating osx into its entire product range.
 
Bregalad said:
iPod Touch is a fantastic unit, but why oh why isn't there a hard drive version?
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Let's defuse this question once and for all:

- Go to apple.com
- Go and compare specs of iPod Touch and the HD-based iPod Classic
- Notice that iPod Touch has less battery-life than Classic does.

Now, keep in mind that HD in the Classic eats a lot more power than the flash in Touch does. So that means that the "other stuff" in Touch consumes so much power that the total power-consumption is high enough to offset the benefit of Flash.

With that in mind, what would happen if Apple put HD in the Touch? Well, the device would be heavier and thicker than it is right now. Some people might complain, but no big deal, right? It has HD with loads of space after all. But in addition to size and weight, their battery-life would go way down. So the device would be bigger, heavier and have less battery-life than it does today. Of course Apple could put bigger battery in it, but then it would be even bigger and heavier.

In short: flash was their only option. 32GB of Flash would have been too expensive, so we get 16.
 
A $299 Phoneless iPhone: 8g iPod Touch vs. 4g clearance iPhone

(Ok, I reposted this here because I tried the iphone price decrease forum (thinking there would be iphone owners) but only found a bunch of disgruntled customers who shelled out an extra $200 dollars. Sorry for the mistake.)

Contrary to the title of this thread, the 4g iPhone is not yet discontinued, its for $299 on the clearance page, which is the same price as the 8g ipod touch. While the iPod touch seems nice, the iPhone has more functionality even without the phone.

So, what do I and everyone else buy when faced with this choice (assuming no sim-unlock?

Tradeoffs (bold is winner, pardon formatting):

iPod Touch____iPhone
8 gigabytes______4 gigabytes -------8 gigabytes means much more video
unlocked_________locked ------------Touch doesn't worry about unlocking/software upgrades/support
Wait 3-4 weeks___Ships tomorrow ---'nuff said
________________Camera
________________Bluetooth ---------Only minor use without cellphone
________________Embedded email --Very convenient
________________More apple & 3rd p. apps --could iPod touch be getting these?
Higher video output


Lots of thing to weight, but I think the primary questions (beyond the personal of storage space) are:

1.) For those who have unlocked their phones, what is it like, and what is support/software updates/etc. like on a “pirated” phone?
2.) What is the situation on apps? Do people think Apple apps such as email will be put on ipod touch eventually, or ported over by third-parties? What about third party apps?

I think that if it was just an issue of sacrificing 4 gigabytes, I could live with 2 gigabytes of video transferred every 2-4 days, and those that need more space would be considering a 16 gig ipod touch/8 gig iPhone, so that isn’t the overwhelming issue.

The biggest question for everyone making this decision is are the extras on the iphone (ships tomorrow, many apps for a better internet device (arggg, put this on the ipod touch), a camera, and Bluetooth for those who need it worth the trouble of dealing with a hacked iphone and the fear of a software update or bad support making it useless (yikes)?


Personally, I guess I want an phoneless iPhone, and don’t know whether an iPod Touch or hacked iPhone best fits the bill.
 
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