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iPod touch Released
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Related to "touch should have a HD!"-argument... I just read the review of the new Nano and classic on Ars Technica. Their primary complaint of the two devices was that the UI is sluggish. And they said that the UI on the classic is noticeably more sluggish than the UI on the Nano is. What's the difference between the two? Nano has flash, classic has a HD. That's just about only thing that could cause the UI to be more sluggish on the classic than on the nano.
And looking at the touch, it seems to me that doing that UI with HD would be even harder to do. The UI is even more complex than the one on nano/classic.
that's their right.
Because their complaints are not based on reality. touch with HD is simply not doable. Or it would be doable, but it would mean compromises that would make the device utterly pointless. Large device with sluggish UI and poor battery-life? Why not get an Archos instead?
Well, according to reviews, video on the nano works quite well, so it should work even better on the classic....
I am. I'm not buying touch because of hype. I looked at the features it offers, the capabilities it offers and the prices they offer it at, and noticed that it would not only do excellent work at replacing my iPod, it would also replace my internet tablet. two devices in one, what's not to like?
I HAVE already "gone with the competitor": I have a Nokia 770. And it seems to me that the touch would do a better job at doing the things I use 770 for. And it would be a lot better iPod than my Mini is. Of course I could consider the new Archos. But it's roughly twice as big (not pocketable at all, so I couldn't take it with me), wouldn't work with my iTunes-purchases or iTunes, has nowhere near the fit and finish the touch as. So if I do a comparison like that, and notice that touch wins, does that mean that I'm being "driven by hype"? That seems like a rational comparison to me.
You read my post wrong. Yes, I can surf the web with the 770, but it's awkward. I can't carry the 770 with me, since I'm already carrying my cell-phone and iPod with me, and I do not have the room for it. And I can't watch video on my iPod. So my current setup has several shortcomings that I would like to fix. And now they are releasing an iPod that fixes just about all the complaints I have about my current devices.
Well, no-one NEEDS an iPod. You don't NEED one either, you just WANT one. And I'm not going to claim that I have a real need for touch. mp3-players are in the end luxuries, they are not something we absolutely NEED. But that said: like I already said, my current devices do not do the things that I would want them to do. my iPod does not play back video. I can't carry my 770 with me wherever I go. I COULD carry touch with me, it DOES play back video, and it has an excellent web-browser.
In short: with the touch I could do things I currently could not do. That is a fact.
I never owned a Newton. Only PDA I have ever owned was a Psion Revo (excellent device BTW). And I haven't really been waiting for reincarnated Newton. What I have been waiting for was video-capable iPod. I was going to get the 5.5G iPod on august, but I told myself to wait, since they were long overdue for an upgrade and rumors of imminent product-launch were everywhere. So I waited for the new iPods instead. And now that they released their iPods, it seems to me that the touch serves my needs (or rather, wants) the best. No, it does not have metric assload of storage, but it has ENOUGH storage. I like the big screen and the UI. The WiFi is a great bonus that finally sealed the deal, when I realized that I can replace one of my existing devices with it. I do not want to have gazillion devices all around the house.
For what function? PDA-functions? I wasn't looking for a PDA. If touch offers some PDA-functions, great! If it doesn't, no problem, since I wasn't looking for a PDA. And the other iPods have even LESS such functions.
Well, I have WiFi at home (where I currently use my 770). City of Helsinki has free WiFi, so I can connect at my workplace and everywhere else in downtown Helsinki (I don't use my 770 there because carrying three devices with me is not really realistic). I seem to be able to find at least one free WiFi-AP where-ever I go, so I don't really see the problem with this. Of course, if I absolutely need to get online where there is no free WiFi, I could use my phone. I don't normally surf the web with my phone because it sucks at it.
It sure seems like it.
Like I said: I used to have ALL my music on my Mini. But then I noticed that it actually makes my music-experience less enjoyable, since when I shuffle through them, it brings up songs that I'm not that interested in hearing. So I created the playlist that holds just the songs I actually listen to, and I synced that to my Mini. Next time I shuffled through them, I didn't touch "next" at all.
And if it had laggy UI as well? Hell, if you are fine with a device like that, why not get a Zune instead? It has bigger screen than the iPod classic has.
We already have people saying that they will NOT be giving their money to Apple. Don't you think that Apple would LIKE them to give their money to them? I bet that Apple would just LOVE to kill the classic right away, but they can't. Touch with HD would not work, and flash doesn't have the capacity yet. So they are stuck with classic for a while longer.
Bigger size, more weight, less battery-life, laggy UI.... All those characteristics would make the device that much worse.
What makes you think that this is an easy problem?
It's already up to my standards.
And no-one is forcing you to do so.
But the thing is that those people make it sound like adding a HD in the is as simple as just slapping it in. And in reality it's nowhere like that. There are significant drawbacks in adding it in there, but those people still just say "so it would be a bit bigger, big deal". But it's not as simple as that.
Well, if you wait until next year, you should e able to buy a touch with superior capabilities (more storage, more features etc.).
And looking at the touch, it seems to me that doing that UI with HD would be even harder to do. The UI is even more complex than the one on nano/classic.
that's their right.
Because their complaints are not based on reality. touch with HD is simply not doable. Or it would be doable, but it would mean compromises that would make the device utterly pointless. Large device with sluggish UI and poor battery-life? Why not get an Archos instead?
Well, according to reviews, video on the nano works quite well, so it should work even better on the classic....
I am. I'm not buying touch because of hype. I looked at the features it offers, the capabilities it offers and the prices they offer it at, and noticed that it would not only do excellent work at replacing my iPod, it would also replace my internet tablet. two devices in one, what's not to like?
I HAVE already "gone with the competitor": I have a Nokia 770. And it seems to me that the touch would do a better job at doing the things I use 770 for. And it would be a lot better iPod than my Mini is. Of course I could consider the new Archos. But it's roughly twice as big (not pocketable at all, so I couldn't take it with me), wouldn't work with my iTunes-purchases or iTunes, has nowhere near the fit and finish the touch as. So if I do a comparison like that, and notice that touch wins, does that mean that I'm being "driven by hype"? That seems like a rational comparison to me.
You read my post wrong. Yes, I can surf the web with the 770, but it's awkward. I can't carry the 770 with me, since I'm already carrying my cell-phone and iPod with me, and I do not have the room for it. And I can't watch video on my iPod. So my current setup has several shortcomings that I would like to fix. And now they are releasing an iPod that fixes just about all the complaints I have about my current devices.
Well, no-one NEEDS an iPod. You don't NEED one either, you just WANT one. And I'm not going to claim that I have a real need for touch. mp3-players are in the end luxuries, they are not something we absolutely NEED. But that said: like I already said, my current devices do not do the things that I would want them to do. my iPod does not play back video. I can't carry my 770 with me wherever I go. I COULD carry touch with me, it DOES play back video, and it has an excellent web-browser.
In short: with the touch I could do things I currently could not do. That is a fact.
I never owned a Newton. Only PDA I have ever owned was a Psion Revo (excellent device BTW). And I haven't really been waiting for reincarnated Newton. What I have been waiting for was video-capable iPod. I was going to get the 5.5G iPod on august, but I told myself to wait, since they were long overdue for an upgrade and rumors of imminent product-launch were everywhere. So I waited for the new iPods instead. And now that they released their iPods, it seems to me that the touch serves my needs (or rather, wants) the best. No, it does not have metric assload of storage, but it has ENOUGH storage. I like the big screen and the UI. The WiFi is a great bonus that finally sealed the deal, when I realized that I can replace one of my existing devices with it. I do not want to have gazillion devices all around the house.
For what function? PDA-functions? I wasn't looking for a PDA. If touch offers some PDA-functions, great! If it doesn't, no problem, since I wasn't looking for a PDA. And the other iPods have even LESS such functions.
Well, I have WiFi at home (where I currently use my 770). City of Helsinki has free WiFi, so I can connect at my workplace and everywhere else in downtown Helsinki (I don't use my 770 there because carrying three devices with me is not really realistic). I seem to be able to find at least one free WiFi-AP where-ever I go, so I don't really see the problem with this. Of course, if I absolutely need to get online where there is no free WiFi, I could use my phone. I don't normally surf the web with my phone because it sucks at it.
It sure seems like it.
Like I said: I used to have ALL my music on my Mini. But then I noticed that it actually makes my music-experience less enjoyable, since when I shuffle through them, it brings up songs that I'm not that interested in hearing. So I created the playlist that holds just the songs I actually listen to, and I synced that to my Mini. Next time I shuffled through them, I didn't touch "next" at all.
And if it had laggy UI as well? Hell, if you are fine with a device like that, why not get a Zune instead? It has bigger screen than the iPod classic has.
We already have people saying that they will NOT be giving their money to Apple. Don't you think that Apple would LIKE them to give their money to them? I bet that Apple would just LOVE to kill the classic right away, but they can't. Touch with HD would not work, and flash doesn't have the capacity yet. So they are stuck with classic for a while longer.
Bigger size, more weight, less battery-life, laggy UI.... All those characteristics would make the device that much worse.
What makes you think that this is an easy problem?
It's already up to my standards.
And no-one is forcing you to do so.
But the thing is that those people make it sound like adding a HD in the is as simple as just slapping it in. And in reality it's nowhere like that. There are significant drawbacks in adding it in there, but those people still just say "so it would be a bit bigger, big deal". But it's not as simple as that.
Well, if you wait until next year, you should e able to buy a touch with superior capabilities (more storage, more features etc.).
Evangelion, you do understand that this is just your opinion and you really don't need to make profound posts to justify your stance or 'prove' that your take on the matter is better than Leo's? almost everything you've said has already been repeated several times in this thread which Leo has ignored 'several' times so you won't really make any difference.
This is very unnecessary and please understand that this difference of opinion turned feud is making this thread very difficult to follow.
This is very unnecessary and please understand that this difference of opinion turned feud is making this thread very difficult to follow.
Well, it's not my intention to make the other person "see the light". But I'm practically forced to respond when I'm basically told that "the touch is useless, and anyone who buys one is driven by hype". Well, it's not useless to me and the specs more than meet my needs. True, it might not meet the needs of someone else, but it does meet my needs. And just because my needs are different from someone elses needs, does not mean that I'm being "driven by hype". And I feel compelled to respond when people think that adding a HD to the device is as simple as slapping it in there.
And it seems that most people don't think it's a crappy product. It's currently the best-selling iPod on Amazon.com, sitting at spot #6 in the Electronic-category.
And it seems that most people don't think it's a crappy product. It's currently the best-selling iPod on Amazon.com, sitting at spot #6 in the Electronic-category.
Just saw this (416GB SSD) posted on dailytech... How many are willing to pay upwards of 1500+ for this in the touch?
does anyone know the actual release date?? would it be fair to say it will be in stores before the shipping date [september 28]?
If it turns up in stores earlier than Sept 28th, I want to cancel my preorder from Apple! Having said that, I have asked a few stores around here and they expected the ipod touch in October
the stores that i have asked have no idea they said they dont find out until the day it comes in..my cousin happens to work at a apple store and confirmed these previous statements made by other employees...i hope it comes out before the shipping date, i cant wait any longer!!!
but then again we are on different continents so who knows
Having said that, I did ask JB Hifi and Myers which are non Apple stores around here so they probably wouldn't know
true, well hopefully it will come out before the shipping date. My theory is that they are ust trying to build their revenue sales over the internet and maybe it will be in stores when ppl can no longer cancel their orders
yep, I expect the new pods to arrive in stores no sooner than October over here in UK, I haven't asked anyone yet ... just my hunch
grr .. can't wait that long!
I was told by an executive at Carfone warehouse that the iPhone will not reach the UK until December........ fact.
Carphone Whorehouse know nothing 
Having said that I won't be surprised if they're correct, even if they're announced this month at the Paris event. Launching a phone is a lot more complicated process than an iPod.
Having said that I won't be surprised if they're correct, even if they're announced this month at the Paris event. Launching a phone is a lot more complicated process than an iPod.
As an FYI, based upon the screenshot in the Apple manual for the iPod Touch, the capacity of the 16 GB version is 14.64 GB.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/iPod_touch_Features_Guide.pdf
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/iPod_touch_Features_Guide.pdf
16GB = 16,000,000,000 bytes, I'm sure.
That comes out to 14.9GB. I wonder where the other ~300MB went. System software, I'd imagine.
This has nothing to do with formatting, but that's another topic for another thread.
It all comes down to money with any company. Apple was more than capable to release a 16GB iPhone but decided to start low with the 4GB and 8GB models. I'm positive that before XMas, a 16GB model will be out and many many people will upgrade their iPhones for the bigger storage. I will.
Just like with digital cameras, the ability to release bigger megapixel cameras exists, but they wait and hold off so they can sell lower megapixel cameras awhile to make people want to upgrade in a year.
Japan has always been way ahead of us on this aspect, they don't waste time releasing these products and getting the money for them now and improving them as they move along.
You're off your rocker on this one, buddy.
Sure, Apple could release a 16GB iPhone, but that flash memory ain't cheap, so it would drive the price of the phone up. They could've upped the resolution on the camera, too, but that would've also driven the price of the phone up.
They could've included a 160GB HDD and a battery that gives you a week of talk time, too, but then you'd be stuck with something that's roughly the size and weight of a brick.
When you build something to have the features and the dimensions of something like the iPhone or the iPod touch, the design is full of compromises. That's a fact of life.
car dock
i'm just waiting for the high end cars to offer a seamless dock for ipod, something that matches the design. Heck if you are spending more than 50k they should just throw in an ipod too.
i'm just waiting for the high end cars to offer a seamless dock for ipod, something that matches the design. Heck if you are spending more than 50k they should just throw in an ipod too.
'Tiny' memory on the ipod touch
Thanks to the tech-heads who have explained why there is no HD in the touch. Until now I thought Apple had made an embarrasing typo on their website and missed out a zero.
I think the 160GB, the ipod touch and some velcro will make a killer combination...
Thanks to the tech-heads who have explained why there is no HD in the touch. Until now I thought Apple had made an embarrasing typo on their website and missed out a zero.
I think the 160GB, the ipod touch and some velcro will make a killer combination...
actually it is cheap apples parts come from all over the owrl including parts from toshiba and other over sea companies if my memory serves me right it costs about 80.00 to make a 30 gb ipod or was it 4.00...i cant rememeber dammit..either way apple is banking over 100% prophit on each ipod they sell
Wow!
Really like that I can get onto macrumors with this. Picked mine up at the mall of America in Minnesota. They had plenty of both sizes.
Still learning how to type on it though!
Really like that I can get onto macrumors with this. Picked mine up at the mall of America in Minnesota. They had plenty of both sizes.
Still learning how to type on it though!