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and thank god for that! ....
by the way are these long posts royalty free? because we can sell some of these as novels and make some money ...
didnt you just buy a MP?? how the hell can you then afford a touch!??!?! lol i feel so poor
Refurb?
Even though $299 is really tempting, I think I'd rather wait for the refurbished Touch.
Anyone have any thoughts on when this will be?
Even though $299 is really tempting, I think I'd rather wait for the refurbished Touch.
Anyone have any thoughts on when this will be?
I have a question that may seem stupid, or may be redundant...but I couldn't find it on Apple's site.
If I pre-order the iPod Touch, will they take my money out of my account when I pre-order? Or will it be taken out when they ship in late september?
If I pre-order the iPod Touch, will they take my money out of my account when I pre-order? Or will it be taken out when they ship in late september?
I am sorry but I have to disagree. For myself I have been a struggling Newton user for a long time and, as such, have been silently hoping Apple would come out with a PDA-like device for a long time. Is the iPodT that device? As with most things that is up to interpretation, thus debate. However I am not the only one who has viewed the iPodT as a Newton-like device, and I still stand by it.
So what did I use my Newton for? Generally its use centered around notes, e-books, games, calculator, calendar, and contacts. I wanted additional internet, thus mail, connectivity on the Newton but it was cumbersome at best. So does the iPodT fulfill, for myself, what the Newton (either MP 130 or 2100) did? In my opinion it does as it has calendar, contacts, calculator, internet connectivity and therefore email. Is it odd that a note application is missing from the iPodT? Yes, but as has also been mentioned the iPhone has this function so why not the iPodT? I feel it will. So what is missing? Ah, yes, ebooks. Well, this application, via an onscreen widget, has apparently already been written for the iPhone, albeit third party. So will the iPodT have it such an option? Of course nobody knows, but I would think that odds are it will sooner than later. As a Newton lover, who never used a Newton to program, I feel that I win by purchasing an iPodT.
So what about the other features of the iPodT? For myself, beyond the Newton issue, it is only gets better and better that I can carry around my most used songs and audiobooks on the iPodT. For me, to date, I have ~6 GB of music on my 60 GB iPod Photo (5G?). And, like others, I can easily trim this down to my most listened to, thus favorite music and books, as well as selectively pick the pictures I want. And when I do this I am left with an iPodT playlist that has 770 songs (3.70 GB), audiobooks folder with 316.3 MB, and an iPodT album with 308 pictures that equates to 231.8 MB of space. As such, with a managed set of items, I seem to top out at 4.165 GB if I added correctly. It feels good to know that I have ~11 GB of space for my incoming iPodT. Now, I know that others have hundred of GB’s in their library and, as such, I understand their arguments about space limitations for the iPodT. For myself, while I would always love to have more space, I seem to have ~11 GB to add in movies and more music and pitures. Thus the iPodT, both from the Newton and music/video player points of view, is not a bad buy for myself. Am I an “idiot” for buying an iPodT now? Only I can decide that for myself, yet I held out a long time from buying a video iPod as it was just not what I was looking for. And, now, with the iPodT I have much more of what I would like to own. Do I want more space in the iPodT? Of course. Is there a risk in buying a Rev. B device (I consider the iPhone the Rev. A). Again, yes. Will I upgrade later when a newer iPodT (or other item) comes out? That depends as I am selective on what I buy.
I suppose, then, that I just do not see buying an iPodT as a bad decision depending on what the buyer is after…
Always…
Firstly I just want to say I enjoyed reading your post as it was very well reasoned and thought out.
You and I are in the same boat in wanting a media player that also doubles as a PDA-like device. The iPod touch, out of the box, comes pretty close. The only apps I would want to make it a perfect device are a notes app, rss reader and mail app. Some widgets like weather would also be good. Other than that, I wouldn't mind some games and some other productivity tools but they'd just be bonuses.
So, I am going to buy the touch and hope that those apps will be added either officially by Apple or by the 'underground' app community (as long as it is fairly safe to do so without bricking my ipod).
In the mean time I will enjoy the touch for what it is, as even if it never has those apps such as mail, RSS and notes, it would still be a pretty great device.
I really love the look of it, and think it is a great product, except for the capacity. While I wouldn't have a problem limiting my music to 8gb, its sort of hard to fit too much video in there.
That leads me to the 16gb, but I hate to spend $400 for the thing since it just came out.
That leads me to the 16gb, but I hate to spend $400 for the thing since it just came out.
Not a stupid question, as I wondered myself...
I can confirm they take the money straight away, as mine went out of the bank yesterday (and it's not shipped yet, it's due to do so on the 28th)
I got a 16GB one, too. But I think I can get about 30 hrs of video in 8 GB ripping at the native resolution and at 450 kb/s. This is based on one movie I've ripped that's 1 hr 45 min long and came in at 450 MB. I dunno 'bout you, but I can't see myself watching more than 30 hrs of video on a 1-week vacation ... considering that I never have had a medium to watch any before.
So for me, I don't think the capacity is going to be an issue. True, it might be a pain to switch out content, but everyone sleeps, and it can easily be done the night before I want to use the new content. That's why I don't understand all the whining that's going on this forum (not saying you're whining).
16 gigs is really 13-14 gigs or so due to the system files. My iPod Photo is a 30 gig but its max capacity has always been around 27-28 gigs.
Maybe not to you. But read the almost 40 pages here and you'll see there's a point to that for lots of people who won't be forking their money over to Apple.
For the same reason the new Nano, now better than what you currently have, suits your needs just fine for less money but is not a valid replacement to you: not having the added functions and large screen that have now been made available.
And the Nano has the storage you want. You're not buying it for the same reasons I'm not buying the Touch. Is it really that hard to understand?
Again, you're using hyperbole to make a point. Pretty weak. I've read lots of legitimate complaints and not a single tamper tantrum. If anyone is throwing tamper tantrums, those are the people who are here so indignant that anyone would be questioning the judgment of Steve, the infallible one. There's a point in complaining: letting the market know needs are unfulfilled so they might decide to correct that. Now what is exactly the point of telling the complainers to stop complaining?
Nope. Would not. I've had a need for capacity for a long time and haven't upgraded because everyone knew a large screen iPod was coming and because the existing screen size did not justify the addition of video capabilities. So, I would have continued to wait. I have no need to buy every single release just to say I have the latest.
Uh... no. No, I didn't. Matter of fact, I've been here defending the fact that this is a forum and people should be able to say what they think. Maybe you just thought so because you were offended by someone saying the product you're about to spend a lot of money on is substandard. It's no judgment on you, so no need for that. The complaint is directed at Apple.
You're not serious, are you? I mean, do even the staunchiest defenders of Apple here discount the fact they feed on hype? If anything, it's a compliment to Apple. I work in Marketing and any company would kill to be able to generate the kind of hype that make people line up the day an overpriced product is launched just so they can be the first ones to buy it. If people weren't hype-driven and wanted, for example, an iPhone because rationally it fulfills their needs, they'd buy it on day two and not on day one when they have to stand in line for hours to do it. I'm a loyal fan of Apple, have owned and will own many of their products over time, but buying their products is as rational a decision as buying a car is. You consider the benefits, but what makes you go with them versus a competitor is not completely rational. The way they value design is a testament to that. You know what else is a testament to hype? Your post. Because you just told everyone the Touch will replace some of your current products that already fulfill your need. Meaning you have no need for it, since you already have devices that tend to your needs separately, but you'll fork over $400 anyway, just because of how cool you think it is.
That is true in many instances. I tend to disagree on this one because as it is, this product to me is clearly overpriced. Much like the iPhone clearly was. And the market has already corrected that, much like it should with the Touch, not necessarily pricewise, but most likely with added capacity. The way things are, I think the Touch was released as is just to make it appear more reasonable to spend $400 on the iPhone, and I'm not buying into it.
Sole reason? I also never said that. One big reason? Absolutely.
My point exactly about why people shouldn't say everyone who wants better capacity is well served with the Classic.
It wasn't.
Ok, I'll give you this one in part. If you've been waiting for a Newton-like device and you don't mind the fact that you'll be severely limited in official software for that function, again for marketing and not technical reasons (as in steering you toward an iPhone purchase) or the fact that you'll also be severely limited in where you can freely connect to the web with WiFi, then this is for you. If you've been well served by the Nano not for the reason that you'd like something cheap and small to use at a gym, for instance, this is for you. Now, if you have a large library and you're saying anything in the line of "well, I'll learn to manage my taste better," or "this will be good because it'll actually teach me how to be more selective," then you're absolutely being restricted by the technology and hype is the only explanation to why you'd spend so much money on it. Let me be clear that when I say hype I also include the mere "cool factor."
You're a huge fan of hyperbole, aren't you?
Again, conveniently discounting the fact that everyone here wishing there was a high capacity Touch knows that, and would be fine with a heavier/thicker/more expensive HDD version.
If they listen to the market, it's the same thing, and it's exactly the point of voicing complaints. And don't tell me to not complain here. It's a forum. If you disagree and you think they did great, why don't you send Jobs a love letter instead of saying it here? Quite the same thing, isn't it?
Absolutely no difference between how much you complaion about their computer lineup and how much people here are complaining about the iPod lineup, as much as you want to paint your complaints as rational and measured and ours as tamper tantrums.
And they might not be off the mark. Your assumption, though, is that these decisions are made merely on technical reasons, and not on marketing ones, some of which directly involve the fact they want people to buy substandard so they'll spend twice upgrading later. If you're such a big fan of Apple, why do you think they're incapable of fitting a larger drive on a Touch? They've solved bigger problems than that brilliantly over time. Others they choose not to, for less than technical reasons.
Not in which you think legitimate complaints make some people whiners and some (namely you) not.
Exactly why you shouldn't buy substandard counting on being able to upgrade when the product is finally up to standards.
Look, this is getting to the pointless stage. It's a forum, not the Leo and Evangelion Debate Bonanza. You love the thing and will fork over $400 for it, I think it's substandard and won't. People who want capacity have voiced their opinions and will continue to voice them by failing to hand their money over to Apple. We're clearly not a small minority. I do hope sales disappoint not because of a dislike for Apple, but because maybe that will make them release a better product. History shows sales probably won't disappoint, nor will they release a different product even if they do. But I can hope. This is around page 40 now, so time to move on. To everyone else, sorry for the long responses.
longest. post. evar.
Anyway, I've had the longest 2 days of my life. All of my free time I spend deciding this:
iPhone or iPod Touch
The thing is, I have no intention of paying a monthly fee, I'd just buy the iPhone, activate it, and use it as an iPod/email/camera machine. It would be worth an extra 100$ to have a camera, and if/when a SKYPE client comes out, the extra 100$ bucks would be worth having a hardware speaker/mic as well.
My delema is that I am nervious about the activation "hack" as it seems to be less than 100% perfect, and considering 400 dollars is a lot of money I hesitate taking such a big chance, even though that is what I'd prefer to have (iPhone minus phone).
So, I'll probably stick with the Touch.
Anyway, I've had the longest 2 days of my life. All of my free time I spend deciding this:
iPhone or iPod Touch
The thing is, I have no intention of paying a monthly fee, I'd just buy the iPhone, activate it, and use it as an iPod/email/camera machine. It would be worth an extra 100$ to have a camera, and if/when a SKYPE client comes out, the extra 100$ bucks would be worth having a hardware speaker/mic as well.
My delema is that I am nervious about the activation "hack" as it seems to be less than 100% perfect, and considering 400 dollars is a lot of money I hesitate taking such a big chance, even though that is what I'd prefer to have (iPhone minus phone).
So, I'll probably stick with the Touch.
Do they always do this (charge early)? Maybe if we're really lucky, it means that they're actually going to start shipping sooner than later...
just to say that if both iphone and ipodT are made under the same platform, we will see third party accesories such as mic's and softwares that will let the ipodT be just like the iphone.
Here's hoping
But I doubt it, I've never seen Apple do anything Early or Late.I suspect they do that to guarantee your rightful place in the queue.
Here's hoping
I suspect they do that to guarantee your rightful place in the queue.
the thing is....they said they'll ship by 28th. They can't possibly ship all of them in 1-2 day span. So they'll have to start early, 20th or so maybe?
I was leaning towards a 4g iphone, but decided that twice the space (at the same price) plus the reliability and warranty support of the touch made it an easier deal, plus an ok camera and microphone weren't that important (I can use my normal phone or real camera)
NOTE: for those who are looking to buy online, wait until a few days before the 28th. You'll still almost certainly get it the same time, and warranty support begins on date of purchase, not when it is shipped or when you recieve it. For those who buy it today, and it breaks in the next year and 3 weeks, you'll be kicking yourself.
been following this thread, just thought i'd throw my 2 cents out there.right now i have a 1 gig 1st gen nano, i can manage with that. I have a library of about 3.3 gigs music and 900 megs of video, not too much. i think the ipod touch would be perfect, plus it has wifi, and if i want more videos i can go youtube. lol there would really be no point, well at least at the moment, to get any ipod over 20 gigs. lol thats the size of my hard drive. 2001 dell lol
plus i saw this app that allows you to stream music to your iphone/touch over wifi from your computer, sounds cool.
anyway thats just me, im sure people with much larger libraries than mine are upset at the capacity of it. But its bound to increase in storage. Every ipod model available started off at first with small storage but increased eventually. and with technology taking off the way it is.... lol you wont have to wait long.
plus i saw this app that allows you to stream music to your iphone/touch over wifi from your computer, sounds cool.
anyway thats just me, im sure people with much larger libraries than mine are upset at the capacity of it. But its bound to increase in storage. Every ipod model available started off at first with small storage but increased eventually. and with technology taking off the way it is.... lol you wont have to wait long.
The purchase date IS the ship date. Apple only bills you on the day it ships, so that is when the warranty starts.
I take it back on this even being a good choice for those looking for a Newton-like device. Now we find out the Calendar is read-only. Score one more for the Touch being subpar, or if you prefer, just a ploy to push people toward thinking $400 is reasonable for the iPhone:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/apple-confirms-ipod-touch-cannot-add-appointments/
Based on stuff like this, I wouldn't count on them adding Mail any time soon either. Preserving the iPhone probably won't let it happen. Be ready to use third party apps that will likely be disabled with every software update.
Ah, and as we can see on the Macrumors main page, there's now a single-plate HDD at 120GB. Sounds like an HDD Touch with decent storage wouldn't have to be such a brick after all.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/apple-confirms-ipod-touch-cannot-add-appointments/
Based on stuff like this, I wouldn't count on them adding Mail any time soon either. Preserving the iPhone probably won't let it happen. Be ready to use third party apps that will likely be disabled with every software update.
Ah, and as we can see on the Macrumors main page, there's now a single-plate HDD at 120GB. Sounds like an HDD Touch with decent storage wouldn't have to be such a brick after all.
There will never be an HD-based touch - too much power drain. Toshiba's upcoming 32 GB flash memory is a much better bet for January.