iPod touch Ipod touch seems finished

super michael

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Its been almost 2 years now and yet no information about a new Ipod touch 5th generation. I think in like 2 or 3 months it be 2 years since the Ipod touch 4th generation first came, the Ipod touch 4th generation that came out last year does not count since only the colour was changed.

I am waiting for a Ipod touch 5th generation, I hope that it get release along side the Iphone 5. Here is the chart how its release

Iphone 1 > Ipod touch 1
Iphone 2 < Ipod touch 2 (note, Iphone 2 is really Iphone 1 just called 2nd generation.)
Iphone 3 > Ipod touch 3
Iphone 3gs >> Ipod touch 3
Iphone 4 > Ipod touch 4
Iphone 4S >> Ipod touch 4

So going by that the chart, when a Iphone is number only, then Ipod touch get a new generation, but when a Iphone has a number and letter like Iphone 3gs and Iphone 4s, then there is no new generation of Ipod touch.
 

serkan

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Its been almost 2 years now and yet no information about a new Ipod touch 5th generation. I think in like 2 or 3 months it be 2 years since the Ipod touch 4th generation first came, the Ipod touch 4th generation that came out last year does not count since only the colour was changed.

I am waiting for a Ipod touch 5th generation, I hope that it get release along side the Iphone 5. Here is the chart how its release

Iphone 1 > Ipod touch 1
Iphone 2 < Ipod touch 2 (note, Iphone 2 is really Iphone 1 just called 2nd generation.)
Iphone 3 > Ipod touch 3
Iphone 3gs >> Ipod touch 3
Iphone 4 > Ipod touch 4
Iphone 4S >> Ipod touch 4

So going by that the chart, when a Iphone is number only, then Ipod touch get a new generation, but when a Iphone has a number and letter like Iphone 3gs and Iphone 4s, then there is no new generation of Ipod touch.
Actually nice touch :D I think the Sep/Oct there will be a 5G ipod touch . But ı hate that there is a too long time :( 2 years was too long also. :(
 
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goosnarrggh

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Its been almost 2 years now and yet no information about a new Ipod touch 5th generation. I think in like 2 or 3 months it be 2 years since the Ipod touch 4th generation first came, the Ipod touch 4th generation that came out last year does not count since only the colour was changed.

I am waiting for a Ipod touch 5th generation, I hope that it get release along side the Iphone 5. Here is the chart how its release

Iphone 1 > Ipod touch 1
Iphone 2 < Ipod touch 2 (note, Iphone 2 is really Iphone 1 just called 2nd generation.)
Iphone 3 > Ipod touch 3
Iphone 3gs >> Ipod touch 3
Iphone 4 > Ipod touch 4
Iphone 4S >> Ipod touch 4

So going by that the chart, when a Iphone is number only, then Ipod touch get a new generation, but when a Iphone has a number and letter like Iphone 3gs and Iphone 4s, then there is no new generation of Ipod touch.
There was never an "iPhone 1" or an "iPhone 2".

There was an "iPhone" released in June 2007. They added a 16GB variant in February 2008, but it was really the same generation. Then there was an "iPhone 3G" released in July 2008.

In terms of specifications, I would place the chronology more like this:

iPhone (Jun 2007) > iPod (Sept 2007)

iPhone 3G (Jul 2008) < iPod touch [2nd reneration] (Sept 2008) -- the 2nd generation iPod touch was actually a slightly faster machine.

iPhone 3GS (Jun 2009) ~ iPod touch [3rd generation] (Sept 2009) -- other than a camera, the 3rd generation iPod touch was extremely similar to the iPhone 3GS.

iPhone 4 (Jun 2010) > iPod touch 4 (Sept 2010) -- although both had retina displays, the iPhone 4 is built with better quality panels than the iPod touch 4, and the cameras were also higher quality. iPhone 4 also has more RAM.

iPhone 4S (Oct 2011) >> iPod touch 4 (Sept 2010) -- you name it: camera, display, RAM, CPU... the iPhone 4S has the iPod touch 4 beat.
 
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ixodes

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Sometimes I think Apple deliberately uses their bizarre naming conventions just to be illusive and confuse those who don't follow Apple as closely as most of us do. It's just another one of their odd ego driven practices. They make me laugh :)
 
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goosnarrggh

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Sometimes I think Apple deliberately uses their bizarre naming conventions just to be illusive and confuse those who don't follow Apple as closely as most of us do. It's just another one of their odd ego driven practices. They make me laugh :)
There was a perfectly logical reason behind the naming of the iPhone 3G -- it was the model that added support for 3G cellular technology.

However, cellular radio technology moves more slowly than cellular handset release cycles. So the next year, when "4G" cellular radio technology still hadn't completely settled down into a broadly implemented standard, Apple was stuck with previous practices that didn't make sense anymore.

Don't you love how Microsoft managed to pull "7" out of a hat for its current generation of operating system?

Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 3.11
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows Me
EOL for "classic" Windows.

Then you following the lineage of the Windows NT kernel, you see that there was never a version 1, 2, or 3.0. Windows NT suddenly came into existence at version 3.1 alongside "classic" Windows 3.1. The progression magically became:

Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 3.5
Windows NT 3.51
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000 (Supposedly Windows 5?)
Windows XP (Supposedly Windows 6?)
Windows Vista (Supposedly Windows 6.5?)
Windows 7

Apple is not alone in incomprehensible product numbering.
 
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0000757

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Iphone 1 > Ipod touch 1
Iphone 2 < Ipod touch 2 (note, Iphone 2 is really Iphone 1 just called 2nd generation.)
Iphone 3 > Ipod touch 3
Iphone 3gs >> Ipod touch 3
Iphone 4 > Ipod touch 4
Iphone 4S >> Ipod touch 4

So going by that the chart, when a Iphone is number only, then Ipod touch get a new generation, but when a Iphone has a number and letter like Iphone 3gs and Iphone 4s, then there is no new generation of Ipod touch.
This is incorrect. The correct form is shown below

iPhone (First Generation) + iPod touch (First Generation)

iPhone 3G (Second Generation) + iPod touch (Second Generation)

iPhone 3GS (Third Generation) + iPod touch (3rd Generation)

iPhone 4 (Fourth Generation) + iPod touch (4th Generation)

iPhone 4S (Fifth Generation) + ---

They have released an iPod touch model update. There probably wasn't one for the iPhone 4S release because other than the dual core A5X, there's not really anything new to add.

Chances are that the Sixth Generation iPhone will also help introduce the Fifth Generation iPod touch.

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There was a perfectly logical reason behind the naming of the iPhone 3G -- it was the model that added support for 3G cellular technology.

However, cellular radio technology moves more slowly than cellular handset release cycles. So the next year, when "4G" cellular radio technology still hadn't completely settled down into a broadly implemented standard, Apple was stuck with previous practices that didn't make sense anymore.

Don't you love how Microsoft managed to pull "7" out of a hat for its current generation of operating system?

Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 3.11
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows Me
EOL for "classic" Windows.

Then you following the lineage of the Windows NT kernel, you see that there was never a version 1, 2, or 3.0. Windows NT suddenly came into existence at version 3.1 alongside "classic" Windows 3.1. The progression magically became:

Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 3.5
Windows NT 3.51
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000 (Supposedly Windows 5?)
Windows XP (Supposedly Windows 6?)
Windows Vista (Supposedly Windows 6.5?)
Windows 7

Apple is not alone in incomprehensible product numbering.
Actually, the 7 is because of this

1 = Windows 1.0 (Self Explains)
2 = Windows 2.0 (Self Explains)
3 = Windows 3.0/NT 3.1/NT 3.5 (Self Explains)
4 = Windows 95/98/ (Uses the MS-DOS 9x system) & NT 4.0 (NT 4.0 obviously)
5 = Windows 2000/XP (Both are NT 5.0)
6 = Vista (NT 6.0)
7 = Windows 7

That's what the idea was. It was based off of the kernels used.
 
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tehpea

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The iPod touch 4 definitely seems finished. They're removing features that could potentially work on it from iOS 6 (Siri, Flyover), possibly trying to push iPhones or preparing for a new Touch.
 
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RedCroissant

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I don't see how Apple would abandon a major product like that. The iPod is what drove their major comeback. And especially with their desire for ease of use for all of their products, I don't see why a new iPod touch wouldn't be announced sometime this year.

Maybe their goal is to use a retina display in a newer version that would also utilize smaller icons like the ones in the iPod nano. My Nano has 16Gb of storage(minus the os of course), which is more than half the amount of storage I have available on my iPod Video fifth generation. And it's about 1/8 the size.

So if they do intact alter the style of the iPhone, then they might also be doing a major redesign of their iPod line.
 
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Virinprew

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Its been almost 2 years now and yet no information about a new Ipod touch 5th generation. I think in like 2 or 3 months it be 2 years since the Ipod touch 4th generation first came, the Ipod touch 4th generation that came out last year does not count since only the colour was changed.

I am waiting for a Ipod touch 5th generation, I hope that it get release along side the Iphone 5. Here is the chart how its release

Iphone 1 > Ipod touch 1
Iphone 2 < Ipod touch 2 (note, Iphone 2 is really Iphone 1 just called 2nd generation.)
Iphone 3 > Ipod touch 3
Iphone 3gs >> Ipod touch 3
Iphone 4 > Ipod touch 4
Iphone 4S >> Ipod touch 4

So going by that the chart, when a Iphone is number only, then Ipod touch get a new generation, but when a Iphone has a number and letter like Iphone 3gs and Iphone 4s, then there is no new generation of Ipod touch.
Your understanding is all wrong. But someone have corrected it already. Not gonna repeat.
Back to the topic, I think it will get an update somehow. Because it is the important gateway to iOS, especially for young generation. The reason that it saw no update last year is the fact the there was no competition and not enough component to share from iPhone 4s. This year update, they can use iPhone 4s's component and can advertise that it is faster.
 
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super michael

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There was never an "iPhone 1" or an "iPhone 2".

There was an "iPhone" released in June 2007. They added a 16GB variant in February 2008, but it was really the same generation. Then there was an "iPhone 3G" released in July 2008.

In terms of specifications, I would place the chronology more like this:

iPhone (Jun 2007) > iPod (Sept 2007)

iPhone 3G (Jul 2008) < iPod touch [2nd reneration] (Sept 2008) -- the 2nd generation iPod touch was actually a slightly faster machine.

iPhone 3GS (Jun 2009) ~ iPod touch [3rd generation] (Sept 2009) -- other than a camera, the 3rd generation iPod touch was extremely similar to the iPhone 3GS.

iPhone 4 (Jun 2010) > iPod touch 4 (Sept 2010) -- although both had retina displays, the iPhone 4 is built with better quality panels than the iPod touch 4, and the cameras were also higher quality. iPhone 4 also has more RAM.

iPhone 4S (Oct 2011) >> iPod touch 4 (Sept 2010) -- you name it: camera, display, RAM, CPU... the iPhone 4S has the iPod touch 4 beat.
Thanks for correcting me, I always get the Iphones version confused. I really hope there will be a Ipod touch 5th gen.
 
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osmanouzun

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I am sure there will be an iPod Touch coming out along with the 6th gen iPhone. As usual, the iPod Touch will continue to be an entry-level iOS device serving as an iPhone-substitute (drug :)) for teenagers who will switch to the "real thing" once they've had enough, need more, or "grow-up".

I guess :apple: doesn't want to reveal too much about the upcoming 6th iPhone by mentioning details about the next-gen iPod Touch - after all these two have always shared a lot.
 
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iEvolution

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I am actually pretty confident that the iPod Touch will get a upgrade this year, what I'm scared for is the removal of the iPod Classic.

If the screen dimensions change on the iPhone, I think the touch will get it as well.

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I am sure there will be an iPod Touch coming out along with the 6th gen iPhone. As usual, the iPod Touch will continue to be an entry-level iOS device serving as an iPhone-substitute (drug :)) for teenagers who will switch to the "real thing" once they've had enough, need more, or "grow-up".

I guess :apple: doesn't want to reveal too much about the upcoming 6th iPhone by mentioning details about the next-gen iPod Touch - after all these two have always shared a lot.
I love this elitist attitude iPhone users have, like the iPod Touch is a kid's toy and the iPhone is a adults toy. The main thing that separates the device is the phone functions/specs...the iPod Touch just about anything the iPhone can run so I fail to see how people continue to act like the iPhone is some how more adult oriented.
 
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mlmwalt

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I love this elitist attitude iPhone users have, like the iPod Touch is a kid's toy and the iPhone is a adults toy. The main thing that separates the device is the phone functions/specs...the iPod Touch just about anything the iPhone can run so I fail to see how people continue to act like the iPhone is some how more adult oriented.
I agree. I've had my Touch for almost 3 years and it is awesome. And to a degree, it was a bridge to the iPhone for me, but I was going to be getting an iPhone regardless at some point. I still use my Touch every day. It is a tank in an Otterbox. It literally goes everywhere with me, probably more than my 4s. And once it dies, I'll get a new one.
 
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One thing that would be great is to increase the screen size. Given that they have the kinks worked out for larger Retina (iPad) So the upgrades should be:

1. Larger display area
2. Same processor as iPhone (even if there's an upgrade to the current one)
3. Better cameras (same LEDs as iPhone)

I've stated before as a long term dev wanting to make specialized business apps, Apple needs a 'pocket' tool that business people can use. iPad is awesome, but doesn't fit in the pocket.

People need to stop thinking of the IPT as a toy...
 
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sracer

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I continue to believe that the current iPod Touch will be the last generation. Apple won't kill/discontinue it, but they'll put it in a "steady state" like the iPod Classic. They'll continue to make new ones and support them, but won't be upgrading it.

I would love to be mistaken. I would receive no joy in being correct. I have a 64GB 4G iPod Touch (w/CookieCase Premium) and although I have an iPhone 4, I still enjoy my iPod Touch. It's a fun little device. It was an invaluable travel companion on my two trips to Romania. The camera is so quick that it took photos of shots I would've missed had I had anything else. Plenty of room for all of the apps, music, books, documents, and videos that I'd want and need for weeks of travel.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind a spec bump in RAM, CPU, and camera quality/resolution.
 
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ric275

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Dude that table is terrible! And yes its almost certain there will be a new iPod touch this year alongside the iPhone 6th gen.
 
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Technarchy

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The iPod touch will probably get a refresh with specs similar to the iPhone 4S, but with the larger screen of the iPhone "5/6"

The main reason is games. The iTouch is a great portable gaming device, and it will need to get a spec bump to keep up with the newer titles.
 
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NathanA

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[snip]

5 = Windows 2000/XP (Both are NT 5.0)
6 = Vista (NT 6.0)
7 = Windows 7

That's what the idea was. It was based off of the kernels used.
(I'm veering off-topic, yes, but...) More or less close, but what is really confusing to me is that Windows 2000 is NT 5.0, XP is actually NT 5.1, Vista is NT 6.0, and Windows 7 is ...NT 6.1.

Yes, this is what the internal version numbers actually are. All of the Windows 7 files are stamped as version 6.1. Which makes sense, since Windows 7 is largely a fixed-up Vista...what Vista should have been to begin with. But then why give the marketing title one version number, and the actual internal revision number something else?

-- Nathan
 
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0000757

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(I'm veering off-topic, yes, but...) More or less close, but what is really confusing to me is that Windows 2000 is NT 5.0, XP is actually NT 5.1, Vista is NT 6.0, and Windows 7 is ...NT 6.1.

Yes, this is what the internal version numbers actually are. All of the Windows 7 files are stamped as version 6.1. Which makes sense, since Windows 7 is largely a fixed-up Vista...what Vista should have been to begin with. But then why give the marketing title one version number, and the actual internal revision number something else?

-- Nathan
Not sure, and I did know that. I guess after 6.0 they started doing Numbers. It does make sense because 7 is NT version 6.1. Windows 8 is NT Version 6.2. Windows 9 will probably be 6.3.
 
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moonman239

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The iPod touch will probably get a refresh with specs similar to the iPhone 4S, but with the larger screen of the iPhone "5/6"

The main reason is games. The iTouch is a great portable gaming device, and it will need to get a spec bump to keep up with the newer titles.
I didn't even think of that.
 
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The iPod touch will probably get a refresh with specs similar to the iPhone 4S, but with the larger screen of the iPhone "5/6"

The main reason is games. The iTouch is a great portable gaming device, and it will need to get a spec bump to keep up with the newer titles.
That's an excellent point, Apple would be giving up a few 100 million user base, and game devs could look at that and say the Android is the place to be.

I'm also sure Google would love to have and extra 200 million users.
 
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myrtlebee

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Yeah, people need to lay off the it's for teens and kids BS. Seriously, it doesn't make you any more mature to essentially have a phone attached to an iPod Touch that costs more. Big whoop. Some of us don't want to pay for data and services we'd never use.
 
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