iPod touch iPod Touch: State of the Jailbreak as of 09/24/2007

[thegrue]

Only because of tax.

You can't hold Apple responsible for the Governments monetary policies. the iPhone is one of the cases where there isnt much of an Apple tax by buying in the UK

Price before VAT in the UK is £220, about $440. An Apple tax of £20 that is somewhat justified by how much more expensive it is to do business in the UK.

Slightly off topic, but I can't believe how much you guys put up with over there. Not only do you get price-raped on EVERYTHING, but it's turning into a 1984-esque police state at an alarming speed. Or does it just seem that way from the outside?

 

[Arisian]

way to stay on topic guys

 

[grinthock]

I love how so many Touch threads degrade into discussions about iPhone price and provider crap -- go start another thread.


Personally I want to see the jailbreak for a few reasons -- one of them is "Mail"

Why would Apple not put the Mail app along with a few others on the Touch? Same hardware, same OS, no reason why they could not...

 

[Project]

I love how so many Touch threads degrade into discussions about iPhone price and provider crap -- go start another thread.


Personally I want to see the jailbreak for a few reasons -- one of them is "Mail"

Why would Apple not put the Mail app along with a few others on the Touch? Same hardware, same OS, no reason why they could not...

Because it's an iPod. You know, a personal media player. The only anomalies are contacts and calendars, which have been on iPods for ages.

Your last argument is like saying Logic Pro and Logic Express run on the same hardware and the same OS, so why is one 3 times cheaper with less features. Or how I have to buy PPV events when it runs on the same channel on the same box on the same frequency. Its called product segmentation.

 

[awmazz]

Because it's an iPod. You know, a personal media player. The only anomalies are contacts and calendars, which have been on iPods for ages.

Which iPod do you mean by 'it's an iPod'? Get with the 2001 trend will you please - iPods are just mp3 players! They don't have video!

Your last argument is like saying Logic Pro and Logic Express run on the same hardware and the same OS, so why is one 3 times cheaper with less features. - Its called product segmentation.

Great! So let me pay extra to buy the full featured iPod touch 'Pro' then! Oh, wait a minute. they. don't. sell. them.

Your analogy would be more accurate if it were not being able to buy Photoshop unless you pay for it bundled in with InDesign or something else you don't want or need (say, a phone). Otherwise you're stuck with just the stripped down Photoshop Elements. No way can you buy Photoshop standalone - ie, the iPhone without the phone.

So let me buy the iPhone without the phone which Steve Jobs said it was (Photoshop without InDesign). Where is it? Currently there's no such product on the market, despite Mr Jobs proclaiming to the world three weeks ago that's what he was holding in his hand.

EDIT: So tell me to just go buy an iPhone instead and just not use the phone. Again - they. don't. sell. them. here.

 

[TonyHoyle]

Because it's an iPod. You know, a personal media player. The only anomalies are contacts and calendars, which have been on iPods for ages.

So why does it have a browser? Ipods don't have browsers.

ipod doesn't define any particular feature set - the iphone is an ipod too, according to steve jobs.

 

[Project]

So why does it have a browser? Ipods don't have browsers.

ipod doesn't define any particular feature set - the iphone is an ipod too, according to steve jobs.

Erm, the web is a form of media.

Great! So let me pay extra to buy the full featured iPod touch 'Pro' then! Oh, wait a minute. they. don't. sell. them.

Yes they do. Its called an iPhone.

Your analogy would be more accurate if it were not being able to buy Photoshop unless you pay for it bundled in with InDesign or something else you don't want or need (say, a phone). Otherwise you're stuck with just the stripped down Photoshop Elements. No way can you buy Photoshop standalone - ie, the iPhone without the phone.

Huh? My analogy was with Logic Pro/Logic Express. Apples own product and another example of their product segmentation through software strategy.

So let me buy the iPhone without the phone which Steve Jobs said it was (Photoshop without InDesign). Where is it? Currently there's no such product on the market, despite Mr Jobs proclaiming to the world three weeks ago that's what he was holding in his hand.

Getting a bit picky now aren't we? Clearly, the iPhone without the phone part is a euphemism for the iPod/media part of the phone without the communications abilities (Mail or phone)

EDIT: So tell me to just go buy an iPhone instead and just not use the phone. Again - they. don't. sell. them. here.

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It is being rolled out, albeit slowly. Patience is a virtue.

 

[parrotheadmjb]

Because it's an iPod. You know, a personal media player. The only anomalies are contacts and calendars, which have been on iPods for ages.

Your last argument is like saying Logic Pro and Logic Express run on the same hardware and the same OS, so why is one 3 times cheaper with less features. Or how I have to buy PPV events when it runs on the same channel on the same box on the same frequency. Its called product segmentation.

Its not like were mad they didn't write a mail or map application we are mad that it is writen but not included, they actually spent time and money to take those features away, and if its just an ipod then why is there safari, wifi, a calculator, a video player, youtube, but no scroll wheel?

 

[sblasl]

I'd say that this is not going anywhere. Apple intended for it to have the features that it wanted you to have at this point in time. Should they elect to add additional features they will when they want to.

There were tons of folks working to hack/unlock the iPhone, now there are what, 2 or 3 people? The braintrust for the iPhone have moved on.

This thing is locked up tight for many months if not longer.

 

[awmazz]

Great! So let me pay extra to buy the full featured iPod touch 'Pro' then! Oh, wait a minute. they. don't. sell. them.

Yes they do. Its called an iPhone.

I would have thought putting it in bold and punctuating each word would have made it as clear as possible. Obviously not, so I'll repeat myself again:

They. Don't. Sell. Them.

We can analogise about product segregation or whatever until the cows come home, but when you suggest buying the iPhone for the features you want/need, the fact is simple regarding this point of view - they. don't. sell. them.

There is NO production segregation with only ONE product. There is ONLY ONE touch screen product from Apple on the market and it is called the iPod Touch (the 'Logic Express' version). NO OTHER OPTION. So even if I wanted to buy the 'Logic Pro' version with the whizz-bang phone I don't want or need, it's not available AT ALL.

Getting a bit picky now aren't we? Clearly, the iPhone without the phone part is a euphemism for the iPod/media part of the phone without the communications abilities (Mail or phone)

Describing the iPod touch as "an iPhone without the phone" is not a euphemism. It's a commercial product claim made by the head of the company in front of assembled media and consumers - at the launch of the product. And a false one.

It is being rolled out, albeit slowly. Patience is a virtue.

April 2008? One year is not slowly, it's vaporware.