Some are saying a 3G, 16GB iPhone will be launched at Apple Expo Paris (Sept 25) for Europe, and it would fit nicely in the $599 price slot.
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Some are saying a 3G, 16GB iPhone will be launched at Apple Expo Paris (Sept 25) for Europe, and it would fit nicely in the $599 price slot.
Has anyone seen any photos/video of people adding entries to Address Book and Calendar? Is it the same as the iPhone?
That will work, but it is just the act of going through and logging in. You know how lazy we are getting these days. I will probably go in and get a new touch but I just don't want to get one and then they come out with some cool upgrades and next thing I know my touch is too small, if I get an 8gb. It is kinda annoying that they didn't do a HDD version of the touch, but oh well I can't listen to or watch my 70 GB of media that I have on my 5.5 gen iPod all at one time. 
So I guess this will be pure current like media device, and boy will it be nice.
Christopher
So I guess this will be pure current like media device, and boy will it be nice.Christopher
interesting comparison.
i too would like the dock on there. :\ doubt we'll see it though.
i guess its a good thing that its called iPod: its come a long way since its inception.
i too would like the dock on there. :\ doubt we'll see it though.
i guess its a good thing that its called iPod: its come a long way since its inception.
I agree with those who think the lack of Contacts, Mail, and Notes is disappointing. I also wish it had some form of IM capability (yes, you can't do SMS TXT messages since it's not a phone, but the iPhone has Yahoo IM doesn't it? That isn't tied to being a phone, it could/should be part of any Wifi device ... I wish the Touch and iPhone both had a good built-in IM client that supported AIM/iChat, Yahoo, and GoogleTalk/Jabber). And, of course, I continue to wish for a nice ssh client. Even a $200 Sidekick has an ssh client.
And saying "you can do Mail via Safari" isn't adequate. For one, you could do POP with Mail and read your messages off-line (I don't know if the iPhone's IMAP client supports off-line reading, via caching of messages, but that would be similar to using POP); you can't do off-line reading of messages via webmail. For two, there are lots of people who find webmail to be a poor substitute for a good solid mail client, and then on top of that you're going to make them do webmail in a tiny screen?
I also continue to find the lack of support for bluetooth peripherals to be bad enough with the iPhone, but it's even more annoying that the Touch doesn't have bluetooth at all. What about stereo bluetooth earphones? What about bluetooth keyboards for chatting (via web since the Touch doesn't have it built in), notes taking, etc. Or even wireless syncing to your desktop (even without wifi sync, bluetooth sync seems like a natural capability).
FreedomInput is even about to come out with a Bluetooth thumb keyboard that's about the side of a credit card. Having that in a folio/booklet type case with an iPhone or Touch would make for a perfect little micro-laptop. If only bluetooth peripherals were supported.
And saying "you can do Mail via Safari" isn't adequate. For one, you could do POP with Mail and read your messages off-line (I don't know if the iPhone's IMAP client supports off-line reading, via caching of messages, but that would be similar to using POP); you can't do off-line reading of messages via webmail. For two, there are lots of people who find webmail to be a poor substitute for a good solid mail client, and then on top of that you're going to make them do webmail in a tiny screen?
I also continue to find the lack of support for bluetooth peripherals to be bad enough with the iPhone, but it's even more annoying that the Touch doesn't have bluetooth at all. What about stereo bluetooth earphones? What about bluetooth keyboards for chatting (via web since the Touch doesn't have it built in), notes taking, etc. Or even wireless syncing to your desktop (even without wifi sync, bluetooth sync seems like a natural capability).
FreedomInput is even about to come out with a Bluetooth thumb keyboard that's about the side of a credit card. Having that in a folio/booklet type case with an iPhone or Touch would make for a perfect little micro-laptop. If only bluetooth peripherals were supported.
This whole "I want mail on my iPod" nonsense is, well, nonsense.
People, this is an iPod. A portable MP3 player. Yes, it has evolved since the 1st generation, 5GB iPod of 2001.
And yes, now it has a wifi and a web browser. But this is not a PDA. They are not claiming it is. It's simply an iPod with wifi so that you can access the web to download tunes songs.
Why is Safari on there, you ask? Because without it, you wouldn't be able to access most paid wifi networks like the ones at cafes, etc. Many of them require a web browser to make that happen.
Get over the email nonsense.
People, this is an iPod. A portable MP3 player. Yes, it has evolved since the 1st generation, 5GB iPod of 2001.
And yes, now it has a wifi and a web browser. But this is not a PDA. They are not claiming it is. It's simply an iPod with wifi so that you can access the web to download tunes songs.
Why is Safari on there, you ask? Because without it, you wouldn't be able to access most paid wifi networks like the ones at cafes, etc. Many of them require a web browser to make that happen.
Get over the email nonsense.
iPhone's headset has a button to control its iPod. I guess this isn't happening with iPod touch
Have they said this isn't happening? It seems like a good idea, given all the kvetching about the lack of a click-wheel.
What would be the reason to buy a Touch if you can get an iPhone w./same capacity + more features at the same price? It's broken into the mainstream that you can spoof/unlock the phone.
That $599 makes more sense, esp. in light of the 8GB price cut.
Give it a few weeks folks. According to Gizmodo, the iPod Touch uses the same binaries as the iPhone. iPhone apps coming...if not from Apple, from the community. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/ipod-touch-runs-same-applications-as-iphone-296837.php
Also possibility of it including Bluetooth. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/ipod-touch-has-bluetooth-support-296938.php
Also possibility of it including Bluetooth. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/ipod-touch-has-bluetooth-support-296938.php
I'm still kinda confused...
So, really, what we're seeing here is a careful partitioning of capabilities by platform -- if you want phone capabilities, you can't get (uncrippled) web or 3rd party apps, but if you don't want phone, you can have the full web and wi-fi.
The 2nd gen iPhone will get 16 GB, the wi-fi, and maybe OSX, but not full Safari. Maybe it'll get rid of the recessed headphone jack, too.
Does that sound about right?
- Browser: The iPhone's is crippled, but the iPod Touch's is full-featured?
- WiFi: The hardware is the same, but the iPhone's isn't yet supported in software for the same feature set that the iPod Touch's is?
- OS: iPod Touch is definitely OSX, but iPhone may not be?
- Third Party Apps: No for both, but the Touch's OSX may mean that 3p apps are a future possibility?
So, really, what we're seeing here is a careful partitioning of capabilities by platform -- if you want phone capabilities, you can't get (uncrippled) web or 3rd party apps, but if you don't want phone, you can have the full web and wi-fi.
The 2nd gen iPhone will get 16 GB, the wi-fi, and maybe OSX, but not full Safari. Maybe it'll get rid of the recessed headphone jack, too.
Does that sound about right?
If the iPod Touch is "just a music player" I don't see the advantage of it over say, the iPod Classic. You might make the argument about iTMS being on it, but I don't think that is a killer app for many people. Right now with the iPod Touch having relatively low storage, and few extra "goodies" other than the iTMS store and Web Browser, I can't help but think its a bit of a white elephant. Maybe its more of a test bed for where iPod is going once Flash Memory gets cheap enough for it to replace the iPod classic.
As an iPhone owner (no, I'm not bothered by the $200 price drop), I've already asked my wife to get me the 80Gb iPod Classic for Xmas, I have no need for the Touch. The 80Gb should be a nice replacement for my aging 40Gb 4G iPod.
1. The Browser is no different.
2. Why do you think WiFi on the iPod and iPhone are different?
3. OSX is the OS on the iPhone, and the iPod Touch.
4. Third party apps remain speculation for both iPod Touch and iPhone.
I don't get why you think web on the iPhone is "crippled"?
I'm still not sure what you are on about, apart from maybe the recessed headphone jack which was a boneheaded decision by Apple.
No, not at all. You're highly confused.
Too harsh.
Anyway, I was ready to get the Touch when it first launched but I think I'm going to wait till Rev 2 because no matter what the bump I'll be able to fit all my music as I have like 18 gbs so that would fit into 24gb or 32gb if they are generous/prices fall on memory enough. I wish they hadn't gone flash but que sera, the os load times must be great and no delay before your music starts playing. Hopefully someone puts a mail app and a notes feature on there because as someone said that would basically make this the Newton 2007
. Plus then I won't have to go anywhere near AT&T and I'll be able to do all the things I'd want the iPhone for.If I were O2, I'd want the Euro iPhone to be available before the iPod Touch is available to avoid the touch cannibalising iphone sales. Apple Expo Paris seems a possible announcement date, but I'm not convinced they will.
I'm torn between the touch and iphone. If they don't announce a uk release date for the iphone soon I'll just have to order a touch...
video playback specs
in the specs for the iTouch (as well as both the new nano and classic), it lists "H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0"... the iPhone can only do "H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3".. of note, both the iPhone and iTouch share the same specs for the Low Complexity profile. Level 3 at 2.5 Mbps would offer much better quality, especially when viewed on a computer or with an iPod connected through the new component cables. Hopefully we'll see the iPhone's specs updated to match the new iPods, along with upgraded quality for content in the iTunes Store. (of course, i'm still waiting [increasingly impatiently] for HD.)
in the specs for the iTouch (as well as both the new nano and classic), it lists "H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0"... the iPhone can only do "H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3".. of note, both the iPhone and iTouch share the same specs for the Low Complexity profile. Level 3 at 2.5 Mbps would offer much better quality, especially when viewed on a computer or with an iPod connected through the new component cables. Hopefully we'll see the iPhone's specs updated to match the new iPods, along with upgraded quality for content in the iTunes Store. (of course, i'm still waiting [increasingly impatiently] for HD.)
What I seriously wonder is, the iPhone and iPod touch are very similar. It'd be neat to have the icon shortcuts to weather etc. on the main home screen of the iPod. I'm wondering if it'd be possible to take those files from the iPhone and add them to the iPod touch?? I have an iPod touch on order. They said it'll be here on Sept. 3rd or sooner. I mean, I don't want to hack my iPod and yes, it's not really needed, but it'd still be neat though. 
From what I read, it's the same screen and shell (just smaller dimensions). So should be.
Interesting. Unless the new iPods are using some sort of hardware-assist H.264 decoder chip not included in the iPhone, I don't see why it couldn't do decodes of this kind of content.
However, you'll be waiting a while for HD in your pocket. Even the Apple TV needs a GPU and a ULV Intel chip to decode 720p at 24fps (barely). It'll be a year or so before HD H.264 decoders get to the size/power requirements necessary to implement them in portable devices.
i'm not looking for HD in my pocket.. just HD available on iTunes, with an iPod compatible version encapsulated within the one download. play on an HD capable computer, view the HD version; play on an iPod or lower-end computer, view the SD version.
sorry, didn't want to get off topic, but i just thought it was important to point out that we don't need HD ipods to purchase HD content. hope apple is listening.
As for moving apps over from iPhone to Touch, that should be interesting. Mail might be a stretch, depending on how those contacts are stored and the APIs necessary to get to them. I'd imagine Apple changed just enough in the contacts to make them incompatible with the iPhone ones. Or they didn't change a thing... Apple is banking on most users won't be hacking their iPods.
I find this hard to believe. Jobs has openly stated that 3G is not ready for iPhone. The chips are too big and he doesn't feel the technology is fully ready. I don't see him changing dimensions of the phone just for Europe so it can be 3G. If we see a 3G iPhone, I am guessing it will be at Macworld with 16 or more GB of storage. Even that seems unlikely though.