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iPod Updated

msjr said:
The cases are not more environmentaly friendly as far as I know, but they are much safer for the iPods, particularly if you want to store one when you go on holiday for example.
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Dude! so you wouldn't take your new nano on holiday with you :confused:

I don't think apple will have moved to this packaging if it was less enviromentally friendly, and in the keynote presentation Steve did mention they where in fact better for the enviroment.

I'm sure the plastic is recyclable!
 
Indeed, I am sure the plastic is recyclable, didnt think of that.

Still, the case I think is handy to hang on to.

And I would certainly take my ipod on holiday, but the hard case would be useful protection in transit.
 
For music people these updates are great!!

I have been waiting for a 80GB version for almost two years and for music people this is a great update. My 60 GB has been full for a year and I hate having to manually change out music. The widescreen versions that will come later are not needed for music people. Yea i might add a few images fo video but I can't imagine sitting around watching TV shows or movies on an iPod. I have a 12" powerbook if I want that for traveling and at home my 50" plasma does just fine thank you.

Music iPods are for the masses while movie watching is literally just a small slice. Especially since you can get DVDs for less and you get so much more.

My 80GB was shipped today with engraving!!! :p ;) :D :)
 
Zune Info From Microsoft

Zune starts with a 30GB digital media player and adds a twist. You can wirelessly share selected full-length sample tracks, playlists, pictures or your home-grown tracks directly from Zune to Zune.1 You can listen to the full-length songs that you receive up to three times in three days, flag the ones you like and easily buy them the next time you sync up. You can discover new music in the Zune Marketplace, and show off your favorite pictures and videos on the big, bright screen. Zune has all that and a built in FM tuner, too. Let your inner DJ run wild.

Features: ? Wireless Zune-to-Zune sharing. Zune lets you spontaneously share selected full-length sample tracks of your favorite songs, homemade recordings, playlists or pictures with friends wirelessly, device to device.1 You can listen to any song you receive up to three times in three days. And if you like a song you hear and want to buy it, you can flag it right on your device to easily find it later.
• Your own personalized Zune. Zune is easy to use and easy to love. You can choose one of three base colors, each combined with a distinctive double-shot finish created by the overlay of one color on another. The player also can easily be customized with your favorite pictures.
• Large color screen. Zune comes with a bright 3-inch LCD video screen that works in portrait or landscape mode. Your music, video and pictures never looked better.
• 30GB player. Zune stores up to 7,500 songs, 25,000 pictures or 100 hours of video.2 You can make playlists on the go and watch a slide show while you’re listening. Watching video in landscape mode gets the most out of the vivid display.
• Zune Pass. Downloads or a subscription? It’s your choice. A Zune Pass subscription gives you “all you can eat” access to discover and explore the Zune Marketplace.
• Built-in FM tuner. With the built-in FM tuner you can listen to local FM radio stations or tune in to programming while you’re at your local health club, for example. Advanced tuning capabilities allow you to see the name of the song currently playing on selected frequencies.3

Accessories: ? You can choose from a full line of accessories to outfit your Zune. Three Zune Accessory Packs provide complete solutions for Zune in your car, in your home or while you travel. Individual accessories are also available.

Additional
Information: ? Online music store. You can browse the huge selection of music designed to work seamlessly with your Zune in the Zune Marketplace. When you find new music that you love, it’s simple to buy it and sync it on your player. The Zune Marketplace works with the Microsoft® Points program so you can purchase music online without a credit card.
• Import your music. Zune software can automatically import your existing music, pictures and videos from iTunes and Windows Media® Player in a variety of formats, including your existing playlists and song ratings, as permitted by the online service from which it was purchased.4
• It only gets better. As Zune evolves, your device can be easily updated. The Zune software on your PC5 will let you know when updates are available for download. And with built-in wireless capability in each player, the future is filled with possibilities.5

EDIT: EMPHASIS ABOVE
 
Figures it's just 30 or 80 gigs now, when 60 is a perfect size for me. 30 is too little, 80 is more money than I want to spend.
 
"Figures it's just 30 or 80 gigs now, when 60 is a perfect size for me. 30 is too little, 80 is more money than I want to spend."


response: Yes but the 80 is cheaper than what the 60 used to be. Can't be too big!
 
This is not the last release before Christmas, right?

Is Apple waiting for Zune to be released and then trumping??

If these updates are for the Xmas period it doesn't look enticing enough.
 
bloodycape said:
Now lets see a 30gig ipod that does video decently, with some sorta of gapless playback or a 8gig nano for the same price? Hmm hard choice. Yeah right gapless(even it is software based?) and large space wins all the time. Now if they add more of a eq option and built in fm(with recording) I would for sure get one.

Now can someone confirm if gapless is true gapless or software based? I know with rockbox on the ipod you get true hardware based gapless but with this it is not clear.

Another question how is battery of video improved but not audio? And I am under the impression a brighter screen means worse battery life so in turn it could mean under real life situations video playback is more like 2.5-3 hours?
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The new nano has gapless as well as the iPod. Video is probably improved because they made either the screen or the playback method more efficient. The new battery life should be even with the brigher screen.

Mac Dummy said:
That's right, the 5G 60Gb was $369 normally, and with the Educational discount it was $349, and the 30Gb was the same way $269 vs. $249. I least I think that's right?
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That sounds about right. But the nanos used to have EDU pricing, that's gone now.
 
30 & 80 would everyone elsee agree thats a pretty big gap.. i think give them till the begining of the year i think they will come out wiht a 60 & 100 iPod Full Screen thats my prediction.
 
weev said:
This is not the last release before Christmas, right?

Is Apple waiting for Zune to be released and then trumping??

If these updates are for the Xmas period it doesn't look enticing enough.
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No kidding. The updates are garbage. The Zune looks pretty darn interesting though. It looks like everything the iPod update SHOULD have been.
 
joshwest said:
30 & 80 would everyone elsee agree thats a pretty big gap.. i think give them till the begining of the year i think they will come out wiht a 60 & 100 iPod Full Screen thats my prediction.
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I would have thought they'd bump up both models, and go from 30/60 to 40/80.

I like this update - It did several things I been waiting for as a longtime ipod owner. Higher capacity, longer batter life, lower prices, gapless playback, new iTunes eye candy, better library organization among other things...

I for one am glad they didn't come out a wide-touch-screen-pod and focused on some fine tuning instead. All of the extras Apple rolls out are nice, but the ipod is still first and foremost a music player to me.

My first iPod was a 2nd generation. 20GB, 6 hour battery, $500. Hard drive & battery size have quadrupled and it costs $150 less!
 
Well I just did the deed. I went over to ebay and bought a 4th generation 20 gig iPod for $101. Why pay 2.5X more for 10 extra GB I don't need and useless video playback? If they aren't even going to try to improve that - then I'll just go with their last pure music player.

Plus this way when they do come out with the true next generation, it'll be much easier to unload a 4th generation at the price I paid than it will be to unload a 5th or 5.5 generation after buying it new.

Thanks Apple! Your useless update forced me to save $150!! I would have done it much sooner had I known you'd sit on your thumbs for over a year.
 
I disagree

The updates are great for the majority of iPod users who really use it for what it was originally intended for...MUSIC. That's why Apple sells so many more Nanos than the video versions. Yes price is one but IT'S THE MUSIC STUPID. These upgrades, along with the new iTunes 7 are amazing. I for one have been waiting for an 80GB version for almost two yesrs. I like all my music with me and my 4th Gen 60 has been full for so long. I skipped the 60 5G since it only was a video upgrade with no storage increase.

This was very smart of Apple. They will release your bigger badder video Gen 6 probably at Maworld in January and it will be GREAT but not needed for us music geeks who don't need the video or want to watch films on something so small.


It is the ZUNE that is a joke..Apple will have wireless when it is killer!!
 
I was at the Apple store yesterday, and they still had not received the new iPods, though the prices on the shelf reflected their imminent arrival.

I did get a chance to take a look at the new Nano's and I love the new/old (mini) look. I'd really like to have that 8GB, but just can't warrant paying $250 for 8GB when I could pay $250 for a 30GB iPod (even though I already have a 30GB iPod) regardless of size.
 
Gapless Works On Existing Base Of Music On 5G iPods After 1.2 Install Immediately

Just wondering if anyone has noticed if gapless works on the 5G iPods after the 1.2 update install automatically or will we have to re-download all of our gapless albums for it to work? I have almost all gapless albums but haven't yet tested it. Will report back after test if no one else does. :)

Did the test. It works flawlessly with the existing base of songs on the iPod. Amazing! Best update in the history of the iPod. It's a miracle! :eek: :cool: :D :)
 
Multimedia said:
Just wondering if anyone has noticed if gapless works on the 5G iPods after the 1.2 update install automatically or will we have to re-download all of our gapless albums for it to work? I have almost all gapless albums but haven't yet tested it. Will report back after test if no one else does. :)
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Works fine for me - no re-download/rip necessary for any of the gapless albums I've tested so far. I can't believe it's taken this long, but I'm finally in musical heaven. ;)
 
I'm gonna get the 80GB when i'm in Hong Kong. It will give me loads of space for the movies i'm gonna out on it:)
 
nemaslov said:
It is the ZUNE that is a joke..Apple will have wireless when it is killer!!
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I dunno if I'd be so quick to call the Zune a joke, especially in light of the WEAK iPod update Apple is going into the holiday season with. The Zune will offer several features that iPod owners have been drooling for for years. If Microsoft markets the product properly, the Zune's sales could rival the traditional iPods this season. The Zune definitely beats the current iPod on features. Function and quality remain to be seen.

Of course, after iPod releases its long delayed (I don't buy that "it can't be delayed if it isn't announced" garbage, that's just semantics, we all know they wanted the widescreen out this season and couldn't get it done so they slapped together a stopgap update instead) widescreen iPod, the Zune will get left in the dust. But who knows for sure when Apple will have it ready? January?? Seems too soon after the holidays to me. Might alienate the millions that purchase one in November/December.
 
The New iPod Lineup Is NOT WEAK - It's Stronger Than Ever And Incredible Added Value

Apple Shmapple said:
I dunno if I'd be so quick to call the Zune a joke, especially in light of the WEAK iPod update Apple is going into the holiday season with. The Zune will offer several features that iPod owners have been drooling for for years. If Microsoft markets the product properly, the Zune's sales could rival the traditional iPods this season. The Zune definitely beats the current iPod on features. Function and quality remain to be seen.

Of course, after iPod releases its long delayed (I don't buy that "it can't be delayed if it isn't announced" garbage, that's just semantics, we all know they wanted the widescreen out this season and couldn't get it done so they slapped together a stopgap update instead) widescreen iPod, the Zune will get left in the dust. But who knows for sure when Apple will have it ready? January?? Seems too soon after the holidays to me. Might alienate the millions that purchase one in November/December.
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I don't see the widescreen iPod as a competitor nor a replacement for the existing 30, 60 and 80GB Video capable iPods. The iPod is fundamentally a music player. And in that spirit, you have got to commend Apple for increasing battery life, making the screen brighter, increasing maximum capacity while lowering the price at the same time. I mean - going from 60GB for $399 to 80GB for $349 seems pretty amazing to me.

Also, I don't expect the 640 x 360 Widescreen iPod to replace these models - no Widescreen iPods will be an additional line in the family - not instead of. And they will cost more - probably like $399 minimum for an 80GB model and $499 for a 120GB model.

So I don't think your analysis of this being a WEAK update is accurate at all. I see it as just the opposite and anyone who buys one now is not going to be alienated by the new line of widescreens offered early next year or whenever they are ready.

Your monolithic view of the iPod as needing to be the swiss army knife of all portable media players is pretty strange. iPods come in all sorts of sizes, capacities and functionalities. And the extension and expansion of those capabilities to another model is not going to replace any of the other models that are already for sale.

This Gapless thing is HUGE. Does that new Microshaft Zune have Gapless playback? I doubt it.
 
A great update!

I totally agree that this was a HUGE update. Great as a music player. and yes the widescreen film version will be an additional different product. I for one don't want or needa bigger wide screen for music (except for storage).
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but all Apple improved on with the latest iPod is increased storage (keeping up with the joneses after a year), slight price decrease (again, keeping up with the joneses) a better search function and a brighter screen nobody asked for. Everything else can be had with the old 5th generation iPods.

If you guys seriously consider that a major update, your heads must have collectively exploded when the iPod with video was originally introduced.

This was regarded by the general population as a ".....eh" update, and I stand by my claim that this was NOT what Apple wanted to go into this holiday season with, it was a slapped together, stopgap update. Every single person on here though they'd roll out the widescreen along with the movie store. The reason it wasn't was because of manufacturing delays.

And regardless of how Apple rolls out the widescreen iPod, it will cannibalize current 5th gen sales, crushing it. Most people want the latest/greatest iPod and many, many people upgrade their iPod with EVERY version that comes out, just because they want the status of it.

People are on here acting like they'll be perfectly content with their 5th or 5.5th generation iPod - they're just kidding themselves. They'll see the much easier user interface along with the gorgeous screen and the previous apple of their eye will be on ebay faster than you can say "buy it now".

I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that there will be the current 5.5th generation (basically over a year old soon, ancient by MP3 player standards) that will continue production after the widescreen iPod is released.
 
Unlike Microsoft and the ZUNE, Apple for the most part waits for a product to be as close to perfect as possible. If the widescreen version was ready it would have been released but I hope Apple keeps somekind of large storage version 80 or even 100GB for those of us who dont want or need video. I want to have 20,000 or 30,000 songs loaded up without the size of a wide screened thing. If it is the same overall physical size then it won't matter, but a bigger pod is not for me.

Most people hear rumours of the wide screen and can wait until MacWorld or soon thereafter for that version but I have not updated since the 4th Gen 60GB came out. Not everyone went for the Video versions that's why the minis and Nanos were so popular and these new Nanos will be huge this Holiday season.

When Apple releases the widerscreen video thing it will probably have some sort of wifi and make the Zune obsolete (which it already is). Microsoft is promotion that you can share songs, but copyright will get in the way of most of that. iPods tend to be personal anyway. Peopl go to myspace to soicialize.
 
nemaslov said:
When Apple releases the widerscreen video thing it will probably have some sort of wifi and make the Zune obsolete (which it already is). Microsoft is promotion that you can share songs, but copyright will get in the way of most of that. iPods tend to be personal anyway. Peopl go to myspace to soicialize.
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I don't agree that the Zune is obsolete. If that's the case, then the less-featured, smaller screened current iPod must be more than obsolete, right? :D

And I don't get why you're knocking the file sharing ability. I thought that was a really cool, unique idea. Sounds like this idea is suffering from Microsoft-itis. If Apple had come out with it first, it would be the bees knees but since it's evil Microsoft then the idea must be lame. Regardless, I hope Apple takes the idea from Microsoft and incorporates it into future versions.

I just did a google news search on the iPod update and it confirmed what I've been saying. Try finding some great press on this update. Most every story that came up had a dissapointed spin to it as everyone is anticipating the next generation.
 
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