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yg17 said:
Ditto. If it's fake, someone is damn good at photoshop and has too much time on their hands.

The thing is that if it's not... Apple will have themselves secured the MP3/video player market for ages, looking at all their patents regarding this design. If this is true it is game over for Creative/MS/Amazon/etc.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
iTunes adds DRM when you download off of iTunes, so there's no reason why it couldn't do the same for when you rip a DVD. Bring Handbrake to the masses!

The question is how to prevent playing on an unlimited amount of PC's. Will it require to be registered against your iTunes account? Would make sense, but cumbersome. Especially knwing you can use Handbrake.

Diatribe said:
The thing is that if it's not... Apple will have themselves secured the MP3/video player market for ages, looking at all their patents regarding this design. If this is true it is game over for Creative/MS/Amazon/etc.
Unless it's a player for one of them, not Apple's. There is no reference to Apple in the picture. (Not discussing fake/no fake..)
 
Diatribe said:
The thing is that if it's not... Apple will have themselves secured the MP3/video player market for ages, looking at all their patents regarding this design. If this is true it is game over for Creative/MS/Amazon/etc.


I think we are due for this type of device. with the recent announcments with Amazon and all that, Apple needs to stay on top.
 
Diatribe said:
Yes, but there all also ways to circumvent that. So I am not sure the MPAA is all open arms about that. But it definitely is possible, especially with H.264
True, but if the MPAA has any brains, they'd have seen what's happening with the RIAA when they try to stop the users from converting how they listen to music, and not make that same mistake. I give it a 70% chance of happening.
 
I yanked a picture of a 5G iPod with a dock connector plugged in off Apple's website and scaled it so the size of the dock connector on the 5G matched with the dock connector on this leak. Assuming they're both standard dock connectors, it looks like this is slightly bigger than the 5G
 

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Diatribe said:
The thing is that if it's not... Apple will have themselves secured the MP3/video player market for ages, looking at all their patents regarding this design. If this is true it is game over for Creative/MS/Amazon/etc.

Well, they may end up using some of these patents for a cross-licensing deal with Creative to end their lawsuit against Apple for "stealing" the iPod interface. Even though their patent is ridiculously over broad and fairly obvious... either way, it will really help strengthen their lead in the field.
 
MarcelV said:
The question is how to prevent playing on an unlimited amount of PC's. Will it require to be registered against your iTunes account? Would make sense, but cumbersome. Especially knwing you can use Handbrake.

Or even easier, it would be registered just to your iTunes and iPod. iTunes can already see which iPod belongs to which iTunes. No need to create an account for that. Although Apple might do that to further push iTMS.
 
yg17 said:
I yanked a picture of a 5G iPod with a dock connector plugged in off Apple's website and scaled it so the size of the dock connector on the 5G matched with the dock connector on this leak. Assuming they're both standard dock connectors, it looks like this is slightly bigger than the 5G

Looks like you need to make the 5G a bit larger... the connector on the mystery pic is still larger than the 5G on top of it. If they are both the same size then this new device is likely the same size as the 5G iPods.
 
tjwett said:
does anyone know what the Japanese lettering says? sorry if i missed it.

quote from an engadget reader:
"those are chinese characters rotated onto their side. they say: this side (literally)."
 
thejadedmonkey said:
True, but if the MPAA has any brains, they'd have seen what's happening with the RIAA when they try to stop the users from converting how they listen to music, and not make that same mistake. I give it a 70% chance of happening.

Yep, you're right, better have "some" protection against all-out copying than none at all.
 
MarcelV said:
The question is how to prevent playing on an unlimited amount of PC's. Will it require to be registered against your iTunes account? Would make sense, but cumbersome. Especially knwing you can use Handbrake.
Most users are logged into iTunes anyway, so just add your user ID to the DRM, and viola, the MPAA would prefer it over Handbrake since it would LOCK OUT users who don't own the movie, and actually PREVENT file sharing in the long run.

Oh course there will be users who can circumvent it, but they're probably using handbrake already if they're that tech-knowledgable.
 
yg17 said:
Ditto. If it's fake, someone is damn good at photoshop and has too much time on their hands.


If this is a fake, it's probably not photoshopped. It's a mockup of some kind.

Part of me wants this to be a fake, just because we haven't seen a really good fake since the iHome in an elevator. The part of me that doesn't want this to be a fake has one hand on my credit card and the other hand loading Handbrake...

Not that I illegally copy DVDs, or even know how to illegally copy DVDs. I just need a hand on Handbrake because my heart is racing so fast I want to get off this ride.
 
I'm surprised nobody's said anything about this yet, but what are the two black rounded lines in the bottom right corner covering up? :confused: I'm guessing that the other scribble is covering up the date imprint from the digital camera.
 
Whatever it is, it's proportionately slighty wider than a 5G iPod:
 

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TMA said:
They look like a wrist strap for a camera to me.

Oh, like the wrist strap got into the frame when the picture was taken. I suppose that might be. It does look less digital than the scribble over the date.
 
Here's a quickie done in photoshop to show the size comparison of the universal dock to the "new" iPod.

It looks like it would _just_ fit...does anyone know how thick the base indent is, for comparison's sake?
 

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Real picture, but not of an iPod

I have absolutely no doubt that the photograph is real, but it's not of an iPod.

The display is a standard colour bar and grey scale signal which is routinely used to test video monitors. A video iPod won't be able to digitise all by itself, just as an iPod can't load CDs without having a computer to do it.

Nobody would digitise such a trivially simple test signal to test a video iPod, they'd either use something that looked more cool ( like the Bono photo ) or they'd use a more complex test pattern which would reveal more information.

This is simply a photograph of a nice-looking LCD video screen. The connector is way too large to be an Apple one and it's probably carrying the power and video signal to this LCD screen. The Apple sticker has been put there to make it look like an Apple part, but as has been pointed out before, is from something else. All the more proof that it's a set-up.

I bet if somebody looks hard enough, somewhere on-line there will be the original picture and it won't have the heavy black squiggles in the lower right.
 
stridey said:
Does the spot on the far left where the screen meets border look fishy to anybody else? I'm not really a photoshop guru, but it sure looks like the "screen test" was just pasted on. If that's the case, this could easily be a photoshopped 5G. Just speculation mind you, but it looks false to me.
I had that exact same impression when I first looked at it. My vote is that it's fake, but it could be close to the actual future of iPods. Almost the same way the "iMac G5" in the elevator was similar in some ways to the Mac mini, but it was also completely different.
 
AlanAudio said:
I have absolutely no doubt that the photograph is real, but it's not of an iPod.

The display is a standard colour bar and grey scale signal which is routinely used to test video monitors. A video iPod won't be able to digitise all by itself, just as an iPod can't load CDs without having a computer to do it.

Nobody would digitise such a trivially simple test signal to test a video iPod, they'd either use something that looked more cool ( like the Bono photo ) or they'd use a more complex test pattern which would reveal more information.

This is simply a photograph of a nice-looking LCD video screen. The connector is way too large to be an Apple one and it's probably carrying the power and video signal to this LCD screen. The Apple sticker has been put there to make it look like an Apple part, but as has been pointed out before, is from something else. All the more proof that it's a set-up.

I bet if somebody looks hard enough, somewhere on-line there will be the original picture and it won't have the heavy black squiggles in the lower right.

Ok, find a me an Apple product with the code APPLE MB719Z/A. Who's to say that video test image is not just one of many images used to test that screen?

Even if it is some kind of LCD display for a different product entirely (even non Apple) - If that kind of test screen is being used, why not use it on an iPod screen also?
 
TMA said:
To Further support the widescreen aspect i've superimposed a proportionately scaled image on top of the screen and adjusted its opacity.

Its pretty damn close, the slight difference can be put down to the perspective adjust of the original image being ever so slightly out.

Aren't the Apple displays 16:10 instead of 16:9? I'm not saying that an iPod video couldn't be 16:10, just pointing that out so it could explain the slight difference.
 
there are some problems with this in my mind

1. the battary consumption will be rubbish.

2. it's not exactly fun, not unless this is a red herring, only to make way for a tablet mac.

3. i just got an iPod about a month ago (with no scratches :D ) and i don't want to have to shell out another £220 for a proper video player...

4. who is this for? people who want to watch video on an iPod which plays in widescreen, not to mention a bigger screen. probibly has a bigger hard disk (40 to 80 GB) and a touch sensitive screen which could make the video thing double up as a PDA??

(wonders when it will be avalible in the UK)

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