jouster said:
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If you cannot be bothered to write in whole sentences please don't bother to post at all.
AlanAudio said:
Do you work in Video? It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. I'm no expert, but that signal is very similar to one of the signals I use to calibrate my monitors here at work. It's a digital signal transmitted into a device with a digital video input (HD SDI, SDI, or whatever firewire thing the iPod uses).
The digital signal only need to be compressed if it is being recorded for playback. If it is simply being fed into the screen for QC or calibration it can be uncompressed.
Diatribe said:
If Apple succeeds with a device like this that uses a touchscreen, there will be similar devices on the market within a few weeks or months. They'll have a very slight difference so that it's hard to prove (even though everyone will know) that they are direct copies.
If you just mean touch screens in general, then I think that iRiver (not to mention the entire PDA industry) have done that already in their MP3/video player.
Anyway. Back to our regularly scheduled elevator product discussion.
TMA said:
Simon & Garfunkel - The Boxer
All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, hmmmm
Some of you guys want to believe it so much that you won't see what's really there.
Still, only a few more days to go and then we will see for sure.
jouster said:
I was referring to the actual patents Apple have filed, which you obviously haven't read, which makes their discussion kind of pointless...
jouster said:Thanks. I'll be sure to run my posts by you from now on.
Seriously you don't have to be a smartass about that. It's just not very nice making one worded comments or writing no words at all in an official, huge thread. Just doesn't add any information and makes it hard to wade through everything. I was just trying to convey that concept to you.
stridey said:
I saw that spot too. What if the object is wrapped in protective plastic? That defect we're seeing is a fold or wrinkle in the plasticwrap. That would explain why it's okay to put a sticker on the screen. After all, my iPod came encased in Carbonite....er, I mean plasticwrap.
Diatribe said:
I'm well aware of the patents in question.
My point is that they will be copied - not exactly, but closely - if they succeed. We've seen this several times now with audio iPods - the latest Creative for example - and we'll see it again. Sure, there won't be any virtual click wheels appearing in other, competing players. But there'll be something similar.
Diatribe said:
Okay, let's not fight though It wasn't any more smartass than your 'if you can't write complete sentences etc...' post. I used the '++' because I'm at work so shouldn't really be posting right now, and because it neatly summarized my agreement with the comment I quoted.
;-)
edit: the second part added
AlanAudio said:
So, I guess that the chances of Apple releasing an iPod (all gens), iPod mini, iPod shuffle, iPod nano and Mac mini are pretty low, then.
None of these products have either the Apple logo or the product name on the front (the Mac mini has the Apple logo on top, not in front, and the iPods have the logo on the back).
I still think its more than a video player, on that patent page it shows a similar device with a full screen of itunes like it was a maximised window, other patents show a full keyboard on screen again on a siimilar device, i mean they run Linux on a GP2X so why not apple on their own?
jouster said:
Yeah, you're right, but similar hasn't quite gained them any marketshare now has it?
True but no one new what a success the iPod was going to be and still is, just imagine a mac in your pocket! im not saying full on OSX but a trimmed down portable version like the Media centre XP portable OS... so many things you could do with it
people could write games for it with on screen joypads etc like they did with PDAs, my imaginations running away but i think it would make sense to produce something over the iPod that gives people a reason to buy it, its almost testing the water for a tablet or something
I agree that this has not been photoshopped. Way too difficult, with the opacity of the sticker, light anomolies near the edges, among other things.
But let's think about the product some more.
It appears to have no hard interface... no buttons on the front, and I could not see apple throwing them on the back. That leads us to believe it has a touch screen interface, right? Well, it also appears to have the same polycarbonate covering that we have on our 5Gs. About a 2mm clear plastic layer, I'd say. Every touch screen I've ever seen does not have this covering. I'm almost positive it would interfere with the interface, inhibiting the "sensing" of touch.
Now we have seen all these new patent applications emerging... and it seems that genius from NYU was able to produce a touch screen that could work with a plastic layer such as this...but it requires a rear projector and camera. Maybe the patent application we saw a while back referring to LCDs that could simultaneously display and detect images? I could see this implimented to "see" the dark areas where your fingers were touching the screen, but I thought that technology was a ways off.
How do you think one might interface with it?
But let's think about the product some more.
It appears to have no hard interface... no buttons on the front, and I could not see apple throwing them on the back. That leads us to believe it has a touch screen interface, right? Well, it also appears to have the same polycarbonate covering that we have on our 5Gs. About a 2mm clear plastic layer, I'd say. Every touch screen I've ever seen does not have this covering. I'm almost positive it would interfere with the interface, inhibiting the "sensing" of touch.
Now we have seen all these new patent applications emerging... and it seems that genius from NYU was able to produce a touch screen that could work with a plastic layer such as this...but it requires a rear projector and camera. Maybe the patent application we saw a while back referring to LCDs that could simultaneously display and detect images? I could see this implimented to "see" the dark areas where your fingers were touching the screen, but I thought that technology was a ways off.
How do you think one might interface with it?
Diatribe said:Yeah, you're right, but similar hasn't quite gained them any marketshare now has it?
True, not in the US. I believe that in the rest of the world, particularly parts of Asia, they have made some gains against the iPod.
This cuts to the heart of the question: Apple has stated before that they don't think PDAs or Tablets are a good idea. And devices by other companies like this mockup or fake or whatever it is don't seem to have set the world on fire. I mean, how many Archos movie players do you see around?
But overall, the evidence of the recent patents just seems too compelling to ignore.
I personally don't think the photo is an Apple product - the screen ratio means nothing imho as there are already many devices with that ratio. And let's face it, anytime Apple has an upcoming announcement it's open season for fakers and photochoppers.
However, I should note for the record that if I'm wrong and it's real, I'll be first in line at the store.
Boardslippy said:
A trimmed-down, distinct OS version is the failure of the PDAs. It requires a different version of software than the ones available for the "big" platform (ex: Windows XP, Windows CE). I'm hoping Apple won't repeat that mistake, because it doubles the time required to write software (iTunes for OS X, iTunes for "OS X Lite").
Yes, I'm asking for the full version of OS X on a PDA. But this is 2006, not 1996. And OS X doesn't require a G5 or a Core Duo to run either. I don't think people would expect to use Final Cut Pro on such a device (even if it would run, albeit slowly).
jouster said:
You know, how many people bought MP3 players (and there were quite some) before Apple came out with the iPod? It is all about the interface and the looks. If they can really pull this thing off like it looks, I'll definitely be right behind you in that line.
i think it would be a standard touch screen, but like you said the tech involved would have to be very compact but then again no one expected the nano, im sure its gonna be something more than we expect theres just been too many patents and stuff pointing towards a user device rather than just a video player, also apples support for Video is likely to be quite limited (to their codecs) i find it strange they would produce such a device which would be so crippled by their own legalities so why no make it more, if it is im certainly gonna buy one, its the sort of thing ive wanted for ages
I'm leaning towards fake
I reckon fake but the real thing will probably look just like this anyway so how will we ever know?
There appears to be a ridge around the screen - but the sticker seems to pass clean throuh it. The sticker just isn't stitting right.
I'm also concerned, that you can't see the front side of the unit - is it really that thin? The shadow doesn't suggest so. Especially given that the metallic sides are clealrly visible on the other three sides...
Anyway, we'll probably never know.
I reckon fake but the real thing will probably look just like this anyway so how will we ever know?
There appears to be a ridge around the screen - but the sticker seems to pass clean throuh it. The sticker just isn't stitting right.
I'm also concerned, that you can't see the front side of the unit - is it really that thin? The shadow doesn't suggest so. Especially given that the metallic sides are clealrly visible on the other three sides...
Anyway, we'll probably never know.