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Originally posted by balconycollapse
How does everyone else feel about this?

iTMS opened in April. They were making money albeit little off the music store but more off the iPods sales just from mac users - until October when they as far as i can tell doubled the number of downloads and likely iPod user base. All the WMA music services i believe will cannabalize each other but not have any effect on iTMS. Worst case scenario if Apple eventualy ended up capturing only 10 percent of downloaders, with the other 90 percent going to 10+ other services, could apple still continue to operate for as long as they want because the mac user base won't use anything else? I guess my question is in the future can a mac user base support iTMS all by itself indefinately. If so won't this base be a consistent disproportianate largest number of downloaders from any service and always make it look like the others have less membership because there are simply too many to choose from among windows users. As in one piece of pie for windows users divided so every one gets a small sliver and the biggest slice going to apple itms even though its only a 10percent slice.

Does that make sense (sorry i'm half asleep)? Your thoughts?


You are absolutely right. With a 10 % market share of iPods down the road Apple can easily support the iTMS and even make a little profit.(The user base of iPods will grow with time. It now is over 2M and growing. In 5yrs with 200M MP3 players in use a 10% share is 20M or 4 m per year. Still good revenue. People will likely keep the iPods for 5-6yrs before upgrading.(some will need new batteries during this time)
 
Originally posted by stingerman
The third party retail outlets were responsible for keeping their own inventories and they had other opportunities to order more. So if stores were running out of iPods, it is because they and not Apple underestimated demand. Apple has had same day shipping for most of December till today on all iPod orders from their online store.

I work at a reseller and we ordered hundreds of all three models in late November and still have only received a handful of the 10 and 20s but all of the 40s, so it's not just our fault. Our rep from Apple told us last Friday that there's a huge shipment coming from China this week so there'll be plenty available right after Christmas.

It's too bad Apple couldn't have more supply because they'd sure be making more money, but maybe they are anyways since they make the most profit from the abundant 40s. People have usually been willing to pay extra when they realize they get the dock and remote plus twice the space for only $100 more than the 20.
 
Originally posted by graydecember
it seems like windows users are having horrible problems with their ipods. I'm very concerned. my brother's computer won't recognize the ipod suddenly (after several months of perfect use), and there seems to be no cure. Apple support wants to charge above and beyond the warantee and he feels it's extortion..

I don't think the problem is bad. I have a 15 gig working on win 98 with no problems what so ever. Seven of my friends have ipods on windows (2000/XP) and aren't having problems either.

Usually, if the Ipod doesn't show up as a removable hard drive, then its a windows problem (firewire/usb card driver prob).
 
what else did your friend install?

Originally posted by bertagert
I don't think the problem is bad. I have a 15 gig working on win 98 with no problems what so ever. Seven of my friends have ipods on windows (2000/XP) and aren't having problems either.

Usually, if the Ipod doesn't show up as a removable hard drive, then its a windows problem (firewire/usb card driver prob).

Typically when something goes wrong after having worked for a long time... you've installed something new which created the conflict. Ask your friend if he/she has installed any new software in that time. Reinstall iTunes or uninstall the new stuff and then reinstall iTunes.

good luck.
 
Alot of places here are sold out

BB and CompUSA here are both sold out of all iPods.
CompUSA sold out yesterday according to my friend that works there. They first sold out of the 20-30-40GB ver first and then the 10GB sold out. They had just got in 50 new iPods just over the weekend and sold those all in just a few days.

He said the more the media says the iPod is running out of stock the more folks asked for them. Most of the calls he said ask: "Do you still have any iPods in stock and if not who else may have them?".
He said he got alot of that today.

I recently asked a mostly PC forum about what they thought of new mini cheap iPod and about 15 of them said this is what I've been waiting for.

Looks like Apple has got another hit on it's hands now and now is the time to open more iTMS in Jan. to help capitalize on this and to help keep AAC the choice of for end users.

Winamp 5 now supports AAC and if anything that tells me AAC is gaining support on PC 3rd party side.

Most people like me have found out recently the iPod in the car is like taken your whole CD collection with you without having to carry all the CD's.

Direct connection iPods seem to be next car audio thing. For under $100 bucks you can have one too. Basically you need a iPod to RCA output cable to connect directly to your head unit and connect to the TransPod FM which doubles as iPod holder and cig. lighter charger and can also do FM modulation if you need it.
 
What you Chaps fail to realise is that iPod distribution is severly limited in Great Britain. There are only a few outlets yet there are 60 million people living here which is about 25% of the US population.

To meet demand each utlet owould have had to have forseen the enormus demand and have committed a fortune to stock. Consequently, there is almost no stock in the retail chain.

Quite frankly why these are not being distributed thgroughout Dixons is a grave error. Dixons alone would quadruple the sales in the UK. I don't like them, but it is just a simple fact that they domonate the retail electronics sector.
 
I would not say Dixons is the wal-mart of the UK, as wal-mart tends to use the stack em high sell them cheap retail strategy, However Dixons has an outlets in just about every city and town in the UK. Dixons with its sister company's Comet and PC World dominate elecrical retailing in the UK, and are infamous for having poorly trained staff, who don't know what they are talking about.
 
Originally posted by James Craner
I would not say Dixons is the wal-mart of the UK, as wal-mart tends to use the stack em high sell them cheap retail strategy, However Dixons has an outlets in just about every city and town in the UK. Dixons with its sister company's Comet and PC World dominate elecrical retailing in the UK, and are infamous for having poorly trained staff, who don't know what they are talking about.

...and are the same ones who will then try to convince the average Brit that Apples are not worth buying (even to the extent of having the machines in-store, but switched off!)

THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO GET A UK APPLE STORE (or ten!!)

Nig.
 
Re: Alot of places here are sold out

Originally posted by ITR 81
Winamp 5 now supports AAC and if anything that tells me AAC is gaining support on PC 3rd party side.
FYI, Winamp5 supports AAC, but not the m4a container Apple uses, so it can't play iTunes stuff. Winamp instead uses its own semi-proprietary format of a raw AAC file, with ID3 tagging padded in there like it is with MP3s, which iTunes doesn't understand either(even if iTunes could read the raw file, it doesn't know how to deal with ID3 tags in an AAC file).
 
Originally posted by JW Pepper

Quite frankly why these are not being distributed thgroughout Dixons is a grave error. Dixons alone would quadruple the sales in the UK. I don't like them, but it is just a simple fact that they domonate the retail electronics sector.
I was at Stansted Airport (one of Londons three main airports) last week and the Dixons Duty (Tax) free store there had 40GB ipods in stock at £339. Which was a shame as I had just bought one full price in the UK (£399) 😡 You are right to say that I haven't seen ipods in the normal high street Dixons.

To my mind the most widespread Apple seller in the UK must be John Lewis. It's worth remembering that the UK has no AppleStores like the US has (can we have one please?) we only have resellers and the online store...
 
Originally posted by Ktulu
Speaking of the Dell DJ, does anyone know what kind of sales its' been getting around the country/world. As much as I would love to see it happen, I'm sure the iPod is not the only player selling this holiday season.

Interestingly, I saw a Dell TV commercial where you got either a free scanner, printer or MP3 player - but it was some little flash player, not even their own player!!!

Easy as Dell they say!?
 
Here in Madrid, Spain they still sit in shops - dust filled. Apple has a really poor presence here. If only they would start opening stores outside the US. If you go to the Corte Inglés which is the main department store here they do have an Apple department, which even contains a G5, but the iPods on show/for sale are actually the 2G models still at the old prices! When will Apple take the rest of the world seriously?
 
My iPod Story...

I hadn't planned on purchasing someone an iPod but after numberous hints at one (heh, didn't know he really wanted one at first) then I finally broke down and decided to get him one.

I went to my local Apple Store in the mall and they were out of 10 GB models (but had some 20 GB's and I don't recall if there were 30 GBs, if any..).

As I'm walking out of the store, a customer had just entered to return (actually exchange) her 10 GB unopened iPod which was to be a gift..for a 20 GB.

We both ended up happy.

A few days ago I recall seeing other stores, like Famous Barr (May Company) having a lot (but don't recall which models). Best Buys in my area (two stores) seemed to not be sold out but then again..I don't know what models.

Apple Store in my city, though, was nearing being sold out...I am sure by this morning (Christmas Eve) all will be sold.
 
Re: Alot of places here are sold out

Originally posted by ITR 81


Most people like me have found out recently the iPod in the car is like taken your whole CD collection with you without having to carry all the CD's.

Direct connection iPods seem to be next car audio thing. For under $100 bucks you can have one too. Basically you need a iPod to RCA output cable to connect directly to your head unit and connect to the TransPod FM which doubles as iPod holder and cig. lighter charger and can also do FM modulation if you need it.


definitly. it was this music collection in a compact device that clinched it for me in getting an iPod 5 weeks ago. i purchased the belkin car adapter, rca cable and a cable that goes from the rca to the cd changer connection.... whatever thats called.
im the first in my town to do this i bet.
 
Re: Down in Chile the same thing is happening!

Originally posted by spoon
Apple in Chile is pretty small (it does have a couple of "official" (?) Apple Stores in a couple of big malls though), and a friend just told me he tried to buy it and they told them they where sold out.

IN ALL OF CHILE. Waiting for shipment from the US.

iPods dissapearing from store shelves all around the world? Any more experiences from any other countries besides the already mentioned ones?

As far as I know we still have them available in NZ since they have not been very heavily promoted although they have been selling fairly well. When i went into the Auckland University Campus Tech store last Thursday they said that if I bought and they ordered it it would take a day to come from Apple NZ (couriered across town) I havent tried to buy from the online store though
 
haven't bothered checking any stores ... did all my shopping online this year.

but after going out later last evening to run a few errands ... i hate to see what the mall and streets are like during the day
 
Yup,! I work in a Nor Cal Beset Buy and we have been out for 4 days. We got a shipment of 15 in monday night. all gone within the 1st hour if business.
 
Re: Re: Alot of places here are sold out

Originally posted by krossfyter
definitly. it was this music collection in a compact device that clinched it for me in getting an iPod 5 weeks ago. i purchased the belkin car adapter, rca cable and a cable that goes from the rca to the cd changer connection.... whatever thats called.
im the first in my town to do this i bet.

I plan to do a direct hookup for my new GTO once it gets here. I'm only hoping the factory radio or CD changer allows for this because if so then I won't ever use a CD again unless it's a brand new CD that I just bought that hasn't been ripped yet.
 
Yea, the iPod is pretty popular here in the UK. There is an article about it in practically every paper every week. All the journalists have them so they're always mentioned in their columns. I had to wait 5 weeks to get my 3G 15GB iPod. By the time it had arrived Apple had updated the range, I could have got 5GB more for £25 less. But I'm still very happy with it!

We should see 2 million iPods sold in a few months at this rate!!

So much for Apple's innovation being bad for business. I doubt Dell has sold 100,000 of their iPod clones, let alone 1.5 million!
 
Originally posted by loneAzdgari
Yea, the iPod is pretty popular here in the UK. There is an article about it in practically every paper every week. All the journalists have them so they're always mentioned in their columns. I had to wait 5 weeks to get my 3G 15GB iPod. By the time it had arrived Apple had updated the range, I could have got 5GB more for £25 less. But I'm still very happy with it!

We should see 2 million iPods sold in a few months at this rate!!

So much for Apple's innovation being bad for business. I doubt Dell has sold 100,000 of their iPod clones, let alone 1.5 million!

I know this isnt a first post but Merry Christmas to everybody its currently 12.30 am 25th of December 2003 on this side of the Pacific ( 200 Kms west of the International dateline 🙂 )

Ill be getting my iPod and my first ever Apple product purchase just after christmas 🙂
 
Apple mosty likely will introduce revised iPods next month. I suppose they stopped making (or I should say have had their vendor stop making) the old models to make way for the new. Add the rumored new MiniPod and they'll have a terrific 2004 in the MP3 player market. One report says the new MiniPods will be flash-based, not HD based. We'll see.
 
2 quick iPod questions....(sorry to hijack)

i am new to iPods, so i haven't a clue how it works..

1) I have tons of CD's but hate MP3's. Can i store my music without compression onto the iPod. There are actual HD recorders out there (Yammaha) which copy direct and don't compress.... Can the iPod do this...?

2) Also using Mac OS9 how do you copy a CD to your PC Hard drive. Mine won't copy, it just has the files as 4k 'shortcuts' and tells me they are Apple CD Player files....

any advice..?

thanx
 
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